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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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The Voice
Jun 9, 2019 20:44:02 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 9, 2019 20:44:02 GMT -5
So, the book has been out for awhile now. Who do you think the voice is? Has your opinion changed on the identity from when you first read LS?
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Post by kinkajou on Jun 9, 2019 20:46:40 GMT -5
Always thought it was Ashfur and still do
Though I wonder if the voice, whoever it is, is also the one who told Shadowkit/paw to jump in the river?
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Post by Willowmoon on Jun 9, 2019 20:57:00 GMT -5
I really don't think it’s ashfur. Definitely a Tom though. I think it is not a StarClan member, but someone pretending to be.
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Post by Willowmoon on Jun 9, 2019 20:58:59 GMT -5
I’m about half way through LS, and it sounds like someone who knows some of the ways of the clans, maybe like Sol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 20:59:55 GMT -5
I want it to be someone no one suspects, so not Ashfur, but I also don't want it to be someone completely out of the blue, like Toadskip.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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The Voice
Jun 9, 2019 21:03:00 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 9, 2019 21:03:00 GMT -5
Willowmoon, there are actually alot of hints that the voice seems to be Ashfur.
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Post by Willowmoon on Jun 9, 2019 21:07:27 GMT -5
Willowmoon , there are actually alot of hints that the voice seems to be Ashfur. I know, but wouldn’t it just be too obvious? I’m happy to be done with Ashfur, and even Yellowfang said he wasn’t evil, he just loved too much.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jun 9, 2019 21:08:41 GMT -5
I really really don't want it to be Ashfur, but I think it is.
I like the idea of some cats from the Dark Ages of Clan history (the time just before and including Mapleshade's Vengeance) getting fed up with how the Clans are being run nowadays and purging the Clans of codebreakers and enforcing the code even harder. Since these cats went to StarClan, it could mean the voice Shadowpaw hears is actually a StarClan ancestor. Also, these cats would have the most respect since they're the oldest StarClan members (Mapleshade is fading as of OotS, so the cats who went to StarClan before she died must already be gone), so the newer members might be bowing to them even if they disagree. This is actually what I thought the voice was when I first read LS.
Then I came on these forums and realized; that's never going to happen, no matter how much I want it to. So yeah. Probably Ashfur.
Also, the book has been out for a while, but last I checked, there are still 10 week holds at all four of my local libraries. So you should probably still use a spoiler tag in the title.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 9, 2019 21:09:50 GMT -5
Willowmoon , there are actually alot of hints that the voice seems to be Ashfur. I know, but wouldn’t it just be too obvious? I’m happy to be done with Ashfur, and even Yellowfang said he wasn’t evil, he just loved too much. First of all, the only reason he went to StarClan is because of bias and the "love too much" excuse is a very weak one considering he tried to commit murder more than once while he was alive. And second of all, almost every villain in this series has been an obvious one. Ashfur would be no different.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jun 9, 2019 21:12:20 GMT -5
Um, not to rain on anyone's parade, but could we keep this to a discussion of the voice itself, and not start a debate on whether or not Ashfur deserves to be in StarClan?
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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The Voice
Jun 9, 2019 21:17:29 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 9, 2019 21:17:29 GMT -5
Um, not to rain on anyone's parade, but could we keep this to a discussion of the voice itself, and not start a debate on whether or not Ashfur deserves to be in StarClan? All I was doing was pointing out that what Yellowfang said wasn't a good excuse for Ashfur to be in StarClan. Unless it gets out of hand, it's fine. I'm pretty sure it won't turn into a debate, and most people on here believe Ashfur deserves to be in the Dark Forest or are just indifferent anyway.
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Post by Willowmoon on Jun 9, 2019 21:25:23 GMT -5
I know, but wouldn’t it just be too obvious? I’m happy to be done with Ashfur, and even Yellowfang said he wasn’t evil, he just loved too much. First of all, the only reason he went to StarClan is because of bias and the "love too much" excuse is a very weak one considering he tried to commit murder more than once while he was alive. And second of all, almost every villain in this series has been an obvious one. Ashfur would be no different. You have a point, but Ashfur is literally the worst villain in existence, he never really carried out his plans. And, there are many murderers in StarClan, and some of them murdered good people for bad reasons...
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Post by Willowmoon on Jun 9, 2019 21:27:00 GMT -5
Um, not to rain on anyone's parade, but could we keep this to a discussion of the voice itself, and not start a debate on whether or not Ashfur deserves to be in StarClan? All I was doing was pointing out that what Yellowfang said wasn't a good excuse for Ashfur to be in StarClan. Unless it gets out of hand, it's fine. I'm pretty sure it won't turn into a debate, and most people on here believe Ashfur deserves to be in the Dark Forest or are just indifferent anyway. Yea, it doesn’t really matter. /s basically all you have to do to get into StarClan is be liked by StarClan!
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Post by alphayamergo on Jun 9, 2019 21:35:17 GMT -5
It's either going to be Ashfur or someone literally no one has brought up, because this is Warriors and every plot twist is completely obvious (the fourth cat, Ashfur's murderer), or completely out of left field (BloodClan, Darktail's backstory).
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 9, 2019 21:39:55 GMT -5
First of all, the only reason he went to StarClan is because of bias and the "love too much" excuse is a very weak one considering he tried to commit murder more than once while he was alive. And second of all, almost every villain in this series has been an obvious one. Ashfur would be no different. You have a point, but Ashfur is literally the worst villain in existence, he never really carried out his plans. And, there are many murderers in StarClan, and some of them murdered good people for bad reasons... The difference is that Ashfur never seemed to regret his actions and didn't care what happened so long as he got to hurt Squirrelflight. Others who have killed have either regretted their actions or were still good cats deep down and were still loyal to their Clan. But anyway, the voice's identity will likely be revealed in the next book or the third at latest. If it's not Ashfur, then I do think it's someone in league with him somehow. If you want to continue to discuss if Ashfur belongs in the StarClan, feel free to start a new topic.
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Post by Willowmoon on Jun 9, 2019 22:10:13 GMT -5
Hopefully we'll find out who it is in the silent thaw. Ashfur is definitely crazy.
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Post by Haze on Jun 9, 2019 22:25:24 GMT -5
Probably Ashfur, but I don't think he is alone on this, maybe have a conspiracy inside Starclan.
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Post by morningflower on Jun 9, 2019 23:12:34 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm being too hopeful but it seems like this arc might actually be a self-critique or critical exploration of previous arcs so that's why it would make the most sense for it to be Ashfur.
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Post by Rainshadow on Jun 10, 2019 4:34:40 GMT -5
Question: are we assuming the Voice and the Possessor are one and the same cat? I mean, I thought they were but I've seen people think otherwise. Anyway, I am assuming that they are here.
Ashfur didn't actually cross my mind when I read the book. I only knew he was the Usual Suspect when I checked the forum. Some of the things the possessor says simply don't seem like something Ashfur would say. Like the differentiating between weak and strong cats. Or simply codebreakers in general. He was just after the Three because of Squirrelflight; he didn't seem to care about whether the code was broken or not. (In fact, that seemed more like a Hollyleaf thing but we know the voice is a tom so...).
Also, whether he deserves to be there or not, Ashfur is in StarClan. And StarClan is clearly cut off from the Clans at the moment. Unless Ashfur left StarClan beforehand (perhaps we see this in Squirrelflight's Hope), he shouldn't be able to be around at the lake at that moment. A Dark Forest cat or someone from outside the Clans seems more logical then. I also on't think the voice caused Starclan's connection to be broken. Rather that he saw it as an opportune moment to make his move since StarClan wasn't there to warn them.
To be honest, if he weren't double dead, I'd think it was Hawkfrost possessing Bramblestar. First thing that popped into my head when he named Bristlefrost (I really wonder what Ivypool thought then!). Okay he wasn't full-on possessed yet then but it seems to me that he was already being affected by the 'looming shadow'. As his remark to Alderheart about how he'd remember his honesty and his mumblings of weak cats seem to point at. There is also the soul possession thing- why hasn't it happened before? Except it has, kinda, with Cinderpelt and Cinderheart. And wasn't it said to be extremely rare then and that it needed to fulfil some conditions, like a blood relation? Another reason I thought of Hawkfrost. But yeah, I know, he's faded so no chance. Too bad.
A DF cat that seems to fit the voice's personality to me is Thistleclaw. He was always going on about strong cats and disliking weak cats and he was always own Clan first so I can imagine he despises these codebreakers, especially the romances. As far as I know, he's still living dead, right? And there was mention of a controversial cat returning. Ashfur is not the only cat who fits that bill. Thistleclaw is pretty controversial too, isn't he?
Another option would be Sol but some of the things the voice mumbled about simply don't seem to fit his personality either. Of course, I can totally imagine him using the Code to cause chaos but the mumblings were clearly unfiltered and show a true side of the voice, I believe.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jun 10, 2019 4:53:31 GMT -5
Idk who it is. I still don't believe it's Ashfur. I just....don't.
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Post by finland on Jun 10, 2019 8:12:01 GMT -5
I'd rather it be Sol than Ashfur.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Jun 10, 2019 8:27:31 GMT -5
I kinda hope its ashfur so he can get yeeted into the DF
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Post by Leafshine on Jun 10, 2019 8:51:51 GMT -5
I absolutely didnt think about Ashfur, i rather thought it was one of the remained DF members working together with some traitors in StarClan and these are for sure Ashfur maybe Hawkheart and some other unexpected evil StarClan members. StarClan might have been invaded, cut off from the clans and the evil ghosts pretend to be SC or something. The voice could be the SC warrior in the prologue, and the possessor a rogue or DF warrior maybe someone from SkyClan, since Rootpaw was able to perceive the possessor, like Shadowpaw did, while Bristlefrost couldnt. Rootpaw was able to see Bramblestars lost ghost too, it seems like he has a similiar gift like Tree. Ashfur indeed doesnt belong in StarClan, Vicky said that herself. I just dont believe that Ashfur is the main antagonist.
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Post by mimikyutie on Jun 10, 2019 9:57:08 GMT -5
Ashfur or Thistleclaw feel like likely candidates
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jun 10, 2019 11:42:26 GMT -5
The most obvious choice is Ashfur, but I don't think it's him. What struck me as odd from the start was the exclusion of Sparkpelt and her kits from the list. If Ashfur wanted to hurt Squirrelflight, why would he leave her daughter and grandkits alone? But it's also possible that the voice and possessor are different cats. If we're assuming that, then the possessor is definitely Ashfur.
Other than that, I really don't have a clue. There really aren't a whole lot of clues as to who the voice could be.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jun 10, 2019 12:35:57 GMT -5
I still think it could be Ashfur. But it could be another cat.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 10, 2019 12:44:02 GMT -5
Still believe it's Ashfur. :P
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 13:49:50 GMT -5
I think it should stick with a darker Starclan cat, rather then an another Dark Forest cat would be boring by this point. Going with the only guidelines of a Tom and Caring for the Code, yet still generally unexpected: Mudclaw, Hawkheart, Ravenwing, Oakstar, Goosefeather, Flametail, Skystar, Rock, etc.
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The Voice
Jun 10, 2019 14:23:35 GMT -5
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Post by sonnensturm1 on Jun 10, 2019 14:23:35 GMT -5
I thought it could be Ashfur too from what I got from the spoiler thread before reading the book myself but then there was this scene where Bramblestar stomps through the wood which I find odd since ThunderClan cats don't do this. It is possible that happened because of the possession but a possessor from ThunderClan (like Ashfur) can do better than this.
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