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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 16:29:08 GMT -5
Fine. I shall write a 1000 page essay but with 0.000001 Font, so creates the illusion of a 10-page document. Make her write an essay on how Needletail is a well written character Bloody hell, no. I'd only embarrass myself. An entire essay rewriting the Snowkit/Tuft theory though and coming up with reasons for all of Su's Dark Forest cats- Already done that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 16:31:00 GMT -5
Make her write an essay on how Needletail is a well written character Bloody hell, no. I'd only embarrass myself. An entire essay rewriting the Snowkit/Tuft theory though and coming up with reasons for all of Su's Dark Forest cats- Already done that. Ok, then maybe a Leafpool Defense. She likes her. I like Leafy as well. Not many people are fond of her and she gets too much hate imo (im actually working on an analysis of her)
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Post by Tas on Oct 7, 2018 16:33:40 GMT -5
what is this thread oof
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 7, 2018 16:35:16 GMT -5
Fine. I shall write a 1000 page essay but with 0.000001 Font, so creates the illusion of a 10-page document. Make her write an essay on how Needletail is a well written character A satirical essay mocking Needletail’s existance and outlining her bratty and selfish attitude, then? Ah yes. Let me fetch my pen.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 7, 2018 16:35:47 GMT -5
Bloody hell, no. I'd only embarrass myself. An entire essay rewriting the Snowkit/Tuft theory though and coming up with reasons for all of Su's Dark Forest cats- Already done that. Ok, then maybe a Leafpool Defense. She likes her. I like Leafy as well. Not many people are fond of her and she gets too much hate imo (im actually working on an analysis of her) Yea, you can sign me on as a co-writer for this essay, I got you.
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Post by Pandean on Oct 7, 2018 17:47:51 GMT -5
Starclan. If Blackstar, Ashfur and Needletail can go to Starclan after all their bullcrap, then a cat who actually is being called out for his actions in his own clan and working to right himself can get in Starclan too. Breezepelt can go to Starclan and I hope he does. First off, Needletail didn't kill anyone. Blackstar made up for his crimes. I don't care for him but I have always believed he loved his Clan. Hes well respected for a reason Ashfur went there only for bias because the fans would scream at the Erins for letting their poor petty baby in the Dark Forest. Just about everyone agrees that he deserves the Dark Forest. Breezepelt was completely out of character in the book. He never cared for the code and actually did try to kill someone. He didn't feel any remorse in Dovewing's Silence. I think CT takes after not long after that book so that proves his character is inconsistent, forced, and only exists just to give Breezepelt a fake redemption he never deserved. Crowfeather ended up doing the hard work for him. omg i just wanted to say when I was skimming the thread I saw this reply and for a second I thought "First off" was "**** off" and I was like 'damn!'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 18:06:28 GMT -5
First off, Needletail didn't kill anyone. Blackstar made up for his crimes. I don't care for him but I have always believed he loved his Clan. Hes well respected for a reason Ashfur went there only for bias because the fans would scream at the Erins for letting their poor petty baby in the Dark Forest. Just about everyone agrees that he deserves the Dark Forest. Breezepelt was completely out of character in the book. He never cared for the code and actually did try to kill someone. He didn't feel any remorse in Dovewing's Silence. I think CT takes after not long after that book so that proves his character is inconsistent, forced, and only exists just to give Breezepelt a fake redemption he never deserved. Crowfeather ended up doing the hard work for him. omg i just wanted to say when I was skimming the thread I saw this reply and for a second I thought "First off" was "**** off" and I was like 'damn!' No o.o I'm not mean lol
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Post by ĐawnⱠiiqht on Oct 7, 2018 18:24:41 GMT -5
Dark Forest. It doesn't matter what he does now, he's too far gone for me. Not after he willingly joined a group of mass murderers and relished in their goal of trying to wipe out their Clans. Then personally went after a Pregnant Queen and Half-siblings. He's an adult, he can't keep on scapegoating his parents to get away with every crime anymore. Hollyleaf makes Breezepelt's redemption look pathetic and she only had 2 victims, all of them guilty of doing crimes directly against her. One of which could actually be considered self-defence/Justified. All Breezepelt's victims were innocent. He's no better then Ashfur, if not worse. It's unfair on Redwillow and Antpelt, who only spent to the Dark Forest for being loyal to it, yet Breezepelt gets away with attempted murderers as well. Worse than Ashfur
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Post by Pandean on Oct 7, 2018 19:28:17 GMT -5
omg i just wanted to say when I was skimming the thread I saw this reply and for a second I thought "First off" was "**** off" and I was like 'damn!' No o.o I'm not mean lol Yeah I thought it was funny like you were down to the Last Straw and no you're not mean <3
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 7, 2018 20:20:05 GMT -5
Yeah I thought it was funny like you were down to the Last Straw and no you're not mean <3 bruh if that happened i’d leap through the screen and deck it out like fight night 1 v 1
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Oct 7, 2018 21:28:13 GMT -5
He's repented, whether people like it or not. He's in his clan, he has a mate and kits.
There's literally no way he's going to the DF when he dies
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Post by Hawkeyes258 on Oct 7, 2018 22:40:52 GMT -5
Starclan FTW
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Post by Pandean on Oct 7, 2018 22:59:37 GMT -5
Yeah I thought it was funny like you were down to the Last Straw and no you're not mean <3 bruh if that happened i’d leap through the screen and deck it out like fight night 1 v 1 that is a battle i'd make a betting pool for
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Post by Cheetahstar on Oct 8, 2018 14:07:56 GMT -5
WHAT IS LOVE
BABY DONT HURT ME DONT HURT ME NO MORE
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 14:26:11 GMT -5
He's repented, whether people like it or not. He's in his clan, he has a mate and kits. There's literally no way he's going to the DF when he dies Why is him having a mate or kits have anything to do with him going to Starclan or Dark Forest? Tigerstar has a mate and kits.
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Post by Redwing on Oct 8, 2018 15:13:09 GMT -5
Before CT, DF. After CT, Starclan. This is controversial, but I did like Breezepelt's redemption. Also, if Ashfur can get in, so can Breezepelt
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 15:29:35 GMT -5
Before CT, DF. After CT, Starclan. This is controversial, but I did like Breezepelt's redemption. Also, if Ashfur can get in, so can Breezepelt Why do people keep comparing them? Ashfur only got in out of bias. No fan is giving him a free pass and actually agrees that he deserves the Dark Forest. Breezepelt shouldn't get a free pass either considering he wanted to kill a pregnant queen and a blind medicine cat.
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Post by Pandean on Oct 8, 2018 15:54:16 GMT -5
Before CT, DF. After CT, Starclan. This is controversial, but I did like Breezepelt's redemption. Also, if Ashfur can get in, so can Breezepelt Why do people keep comparing them? Ashfur only got in out of bias. No fan is giving him a free pass and actually agrees that he deserves the Dark Forest. Breezepelt shouldn't get a free pass either considering he wanted to kill a pregnant queen and a blind medicine cat. I mean the key word there is wanted. He changed. Ashfur didn't change. He died wanting to ruin Squirrelflight and her kits and her kin. You may not like or agree with the way it was done, but canon Breezepelt has changed, shown remorse, and is trying to be a better cat. I mean, I have a real life comparison to this but I'd rather not talk about it in depth in public and it might change what people think about me. But either way the question remains: Do you think that someone who has committed a number of bad actions but has grown and changed from that and is now trying to do good still deserve to go to hell for the person they used to be? Because if that was the truth, hell would be waiting for me right now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 16:12:07 GMT -5
Why do people keep comparing them? Ashfur only got in out of bias. No fan is giving him a free pass and actually agrees that he deserves the Dark Forest. Breezepelt shouldn't get a free pass either considering he wanted to kill a pregnant queen and a blind medicine cat. I mean the key word there is wanted. He changed. Ashfur didn't change. He died wanting to ruin Squirrelflight and her kits and her kin. You may not like or agree with the way it was done, but canon Breezepelt has changed, shown remorse, and is trying to be a better cat. I mean, I have a real life comparison to this but I'd rather not talk about it in depth in public and it might change what people think about me. But either way the question remains: Do you think that someone who has committed a number of bad actions but has grown and changed from that and is now trying to do good still deserve to go to hell for the person they used to be? Because if that was the truth, hell would be waiting for me right now. But in the Novella he was shown NOT to feel remorse. In The Fourth Apprentince he was shown NOT to feel remorse. He didn't care about StarClan, or that he wanted to kill Jayfeather. So this feels forced and out of character. If I am correct, Crowfeather's Trial took place not too long after the Great Battle. Dovewing's Silence was shortly before this, and in Dovewing's PoV he was shown to be angry. He used Ivypool's speech as a reason why he betrayed the Clans. This is why we feel he is out of character. Breezepelt, since he was manipulated by the Dark Forest, wanted to hurt Crowfeather and his half siblings dead. He knew what he was doing, and he was on the Dark Forest side. Even cats in AVoS called him out for being a hypocrite!
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Oct 8, 2018 17:10:32 GMT -5
I would think that if Breezepelt stayed loyal to the Dark Forest, he would end up there. But after reading Crowfeather's Trial, I'd say StarClan.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Oct 8, 2018 17:27:47 GMT -5
He's repented, whether people like it or not. He's in his clan, he has a mate and kits. There's literally no way he's going to the DF when he dies Why is him having a mate or kits have anything to do with him going to Starclan or Dark Forest? Tigerstar has a mate and kits. Because he's matured, moved on. Is establishing an actual family and is invested in them and his clan. Tigerstar is barely comparable. Most of you just don't want him to go to Starclan, and that's fine, but it's obviously happening.
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Post by Pandean on Oct 8, 2018 18:10:28 GMT -5
I mean the key word there is wanted. He changed. Ashfur didn't change. He died wanting to ruin Squirrelflight and her kits and her kin. You may not like or agree with the way it was done, but canon Breezepelt has changed, shown remorse, and is trying to be a better cat. I mean, I have a real life comparison to this but I'd rather not talk about it in depth in public and it might change what people think about me. But either way the question remains: Do you think that someone who has committed a number of bad actions but has grown and changed from that and is now trying to do good still deserve to go to hell for the person they used to be? Because if that was the truth, hell would be waiting for me right now. But in the Novella he was shown NOT to feel remorse. In The Fourth Apprentince he was shown NOT to feel remorse. He didn't care about StarClan, or that he wanted to kill Jayfeather. So this feels forced and out of character. If I am correct, Crowfeather's Trial took place not too long after the Great Battle. Dovewing's Silence was shortly before this, and in Dovewing's PoV he was shown to be angry. He used Ivypool's speech as a reason why he betrayed the Clans. This is why we feel he is out of character. Breezepelt, since he was manipulated by the Dark Forest, wanted to hurt Crowfeather and his half siblings dead. He knew what he was doing, and he was on the Dark Forest side. Even cats in AVoS called him out for being a hypocrite! If you're talking about Dovewing's Silence, that was BEFORE CT. Are you talking about the Apprentice's Quest? Why can't he be angry? What I can't understand is why you think people are so static? You keep saying 'he was' and 'he did' but that isn't the now. People are a changing force. Always. Breezepelt was manipulated by the Dark Forest, that doesn't excuse his actions but we do know the Dark Forest used his anger and his negative feelings. But we literally see him and Lionblaze somewhat making up and Breezepelt saving his life. We see him and Crowfeather making up. We don't get a lot of WindClan in AVOS and even when we do it's just a few lines. How is he a hypocrite? How is changing a hypocritical thing to do? You're literally just unable to accept that characters and people change. I find it kind of disturbing, honestly. I mean you could just say you don't accept the special edition as canon and that would make a lot more sense than all of this. because the argument here is really just a moot point by now. Which is why I'm just going to stop arguing because there's no way either of us will do anything to change anything and I also have a flu bug.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 18:54:19 GMT -5
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree, I'm never going to change my mind about Breezepelt. His development feels forced to me, period. That's it. I hated CT. Crowfeather ended up doing all of the hard work for his son to earn back his Clanmates' trust.
I also don't appreciate that you think I'm not accepting change. I of all people understand that others do change. My point is that it feels FORCED. There is a difference you know. Never once did I say I refuse to accept that he changed. I just hate how this shit is forced upon us. I'm not going to debate any farther. Book was horrible, Breezepelt was horrible, it's my opinion, end of story.
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Post by Hawkeyes258 on Oct 8, 2018 20:33:41 GMT -5
Remember the cats aren't real yall.
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Post by ĐawnⱠiiqht on Oct 8, 2018 20:50:05 GMT -5
Remember the cats aren't real yall. They are real in our hearts 🐱
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Post by Hawkeyes258 on Oct 8, 2018 20:51:43 GMT -5
XD
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Post by Pandean on Oct 9, 2018 1:01:15 GMT -5
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree, I'm never going to change my mind about Breezepelt. His development feels forced to me, period. That's it. I hated CT. Crowfeather ended up doing all of the hard work for his son to earn back his Clanmates' trust. I also don't appreciate that you think I'm not accepting change. I of all people understand that others do change. My point is that it feels FORCED. There is a difference you know. Never once did I say I refuse to accept that he changed. I just hate how this shit is forced upon us. I'm not going to debate any farther. Book was horrible, Breezepelt was horrible, it's my opinion, end of story. Okay. Cool with me. I have the exact opposite opinion. Agree to disagree.
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Post by Pandean on Oct 9, 2018 1:01:45 GMT -5
Remember the cats aren't real yall. gasp i thought the books were autobiographies
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Post by Jaggeddawn on Dec 30, 2022 18:19:39 GMT -5
After the events of Crowfeather's Trial, Breezepelt has proven that he is a loyal WindClan warrior above all else. He was a key force in defending against the stoats, he helped to save Nightcloud from the Twolegplace, and his father (who seemed to hate him above anyone else) forgave him. It seems pretty obvious that, as he's made peace with himself and his Clan, that he will go to StarClan. I agree
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Dec 30, 2022 18:22:15 GMT -5
After the events of Crowfeather's Trial, Breezepelt has proven that he is a loyal WindClan warrior above all else. He was a key force in defending against the stoats, he helped to save Nightcloud from the Twolegplace, and his father (who seemed to hate him above anyone else) forgave him. It seems pretty obvious that, as he's made peace with himself and his Clan, that he will go to StarClan. I agree Please stop posting on threads that are over a month old. You aren’t really supposed to do that.
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