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Post by Cheetahstar on Oct 6, 2018 23:39:49 GMT -5
So when fate comes for Breezepelt... do you guys think he will go to starclan or the darkforest? Based off the current books and Crowfeathers trial?
Cats have been sent for less but Blackstar is in starclan
So... thoughts?
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Post by Fernstep on Oct 6, 2018 23:47:46 GMT -5
Sigh.
Like, by any reasonable standard, you would think he would go to the Dark Forest.
But after CT that no longer seems to be the case. So... ack, StarClan it is, I guess.
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Post by Chocolate-Fawn on Oct 6, 2018 23:59:13 GMT -5
He’s definitely going to StarClan
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Post by alphayamergo on Oct 7, 2018 1:53:31 GMT -5
I'm gonna be honest. I voted for Dark Forest out of spite. I'm never forgiving Breezepelt for trying to murder Poppyfrost (or Jayfeather or Lionblaze, but trying to murder Poppyfrost was his worst moment).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 4:44:49 GMT -5
Dark Forest. It doesn't matter what he does now, he's too far gone for me. Not after he willingly joined a group of mass murderers and relished in their goal of trying to wipe out their Clans. Then personally went after a Pregnant Queen and Half-siblings. He's an adult, he can't keep on scapegoating his parents to get away with every crime anymore.
Hollyleaf makes Breezepelt's redemption look pathetic and she only had 2 victims, all of them guilty of doing crimes directly against her. One of which could actually be considered self-defence/Justified. All Breezepelt's victims were innocent. He's no better then Ashfur, if not worse. It's unfair on Redwillow and Antpelt, who only spent to the Dark Forest for being loyal to it, yet Breezepelt gets away with attempted murderers as well.
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Post by Tas on Oct 7, 2018 6:27:22 GMT -5
After the events of Crowfeather's Trial, Breezepelt has proven that he is a loyal WindClan warrior above all else. He was a key force in defending against the stoats, he helped to save Nightcloud from the Twolegplace, and his father (who seemed to hate him above anyone else) forgave him.
It seems pretty obvious that, as he's made peace with himself and his Clan, that he will go to StarClan.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 7, 2018 7:10:15 GMT -5
Starclan. If Blackstar, Ashfur and Needletail can go to Starclan after all their bullcrap, then a cat who actually is being called out for his actions in his own clan and working to right himself can get in Starclan too. Breezepelt can go to Starclan and I hope he does.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 7:46:22 GMT -5
As much as I'd like for Breezepelt to go to the Dark Forest, Crowfeather's Trial did show him starting to go through development and regret training with the Dark Forest (no matter how much that excuse in CT is a load of bull). So I guess he'll be going to StarClan.
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Post by wildspirit on Oct 7, 2018 8:12:45 GMT -5
Ugh, Crowfeather's Trial gave him a fake redemption. So he has to go to StarClan now. He should never have deserved it though. I will forever say after his actions of attacking a medicine cat and a pregnant she-cat that Breezepelt should've been killed or exiled. He's too far gone. I voted StarClan due to what the book does, but Breezepelt deserves to rot in the Dark Forest.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 13:24:02 GMT -5
Sigh. Like, by any reasonable standard, you would think he would go to the Dark Forest. But after CT that no longer seems to be the case. So... ack, StarClan it is, I guess. Can we just pretend that Breezepelt is so bad that the Dark Forest isn't going to want him?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 13:27:48 GMT -5
Starclan. If Blackstar, Ashfur and Needletail can go to Starclan after all their bullcrap, then a cat who actually is being called out for his actions in his own clan and working to right himself can get in Starclan too. Breezepelt can go to Starclan and I hope he does. First off, Needletail didn't kill anyone. Blackstar made up for his crimes. I don't care for him but I have always believed he loved his Clan. Hes well respected for a reason Ashfur went there only for bias because the fans would scream at the Erins for letting their poor petty baby in the Dark Forest. Just about everyone agrees that he deserves the Dark Forest. Breezepelt was completely out of character in the book. He never cared for the code and actually did try to kill someone. He didn't feel any remorse in Dovewing's Silence. I think CT takes after not long after that book so that proves his character is inconsistent, forced, and only exists just to give Breezepelt a fake redemption he never deserved. Crowfeather ended up doing the hard work for him.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 7, 2018 13:31:45 GMT -5
Starclan. If Blackstar, Ashfur and Needletail can go to Starclan after all their bullcrap, then a cat who actually is being called out for his actions in his own clan and working to right himself can get in Starclan too. Breezepelt can go to Starclan and I hope he does. First off, Needletail didn't kill anyone. Blackstar made up for his crimes. I don't care for him but I have always believed he loved his Clan. Hes well respected for a reason Ashfur went there only for bias because the fans would scream at the Erins for letting their poor petty baby in the Dark Forest. Breezepelt was completely out of character in the book. He never cared for the code and actually did try to kill someone. He didn't feel any remorse in Dovewing's Silence. I think CT takes after not long after that book so that proves his character is inconsistent, forced, and only exists just to give Breezepelt a fake redemption he never deserved. Crowfeather ended up doing the hard work for him. For the last time. It didn’t feel forced to me. If this was the case, Blackstar’s and Needletail’s felt incredibly forced too. But I’d be unfair to say every redemption is forced. Breezepelt felt similar to me. Still emotional, still hot-headed, still caring more for his mother, and still starting arguments. And he also never killed anyone, even if he tried. Needletail is still responsible for the deaths of many of her clanmates. God forbid he tries to do something right. Sigh. You’re not changing my mind on this, I’m sorry.
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Post by Fernstep on Oct 7, 2018 13:36:37 GMT -5
Why do people keep making Breezepelt topics and not expecting them to devolve into this argument? There are two of them going on right now.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 7, 2018 13:40:38 GMT -5
Why do people keep making Breezepelt topics and not expecting them to devolve into this argument? There are two of them going on right now. I’m not coming in here to argue at all. I posted my thoughts and left it at that and I was quoted about it. I do not plan on delving any deeper into it either, lol
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Post by dashingshadows on Oct 7, 2018 14:08:08 GMT -5
Let him rot in the DF with the rest of the unrepentant murderers
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 15:22:05 GMT -5
First off, Needletail didn't kill anyone. Blackstar made up for his crimes. I don't care for him but I have always believed he loved his Clan. Hes well respected for a reason Ashfur went there only for bias because the fans would scream at the Erins for letting their poor petty baby in the Dark Forest. Breezepelt was completely out of character in the book. He never cared for the code and actually did try to kill someone. He didn't feel any remorse in Dovewing's Silence. I think CT takes after not long after that book so that proves his character is inconsistent, forced, and only exists just to give Breezepelt a fake redemption he never deserved. Crowfeather ended up doing the hard work for him. For the last time. It didn’t feel forced to me. If this was the case, Blackstar’s and Needletail’s felt incredibly forced too. But I’d be unfair to say every redemption is forced. Breezepelt felt similar to me. Still emotional, still hot-headed, still caring more for his mother, and still starting arguments. And he also never killed anyone, even if he tried. Needletail is still responsible for the deaths of many of her clanmates. God forbid he tries to do something right. Sigh. You’re not changing my mind on this, I’m sorry. Breezepelt, still TRIED to kill Jayfeather. And he would have succeeded had Honeyfern never helped. Attempted murder is just as bad, and there's no excuse for it. This situation is no different from Ashfur's attempted murder. Fans hate Ashfur for simply TRYING to kill Squirrelflight's kits and no one gave him a free pass. So Breezepelt shouldn't either. It doesn't matter if he's "trying" to work hard to prove himself. He still tried to end lives. He insulted the memory of a dead Hollyleaf, and wanted to kill Crowfeather. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, justifies that, just like how no one justified Ashfur attempting to murder the Three.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 7, 2018 15:44:36 GMT -5
For the last time. It didn’t feel forced to me. If this was the case, Blackstar’s and Needletail’s felt incredibly forced too. But I’d be unfair to say every redemption is forced. Breezepelt felt similar to me. Still emotional, still hot-headed, still caring more for his mother, and still starting arguments. And he also never killed anyone, even if he tried. Needletail is still responsible for the deaths of many of her clanmates. God forbid he tries to do something right. Sigh. You’re not changing my mind on this, I’m sorry. Breezepelt, still TRIED to kill Jayfeather. And he would have succeeded had Honeyfern never helped. Attempted murder is just as bad, and there's no excuse for it. This situation is no different from Ashfur's attempted murder. Fans hate Ashfur for simply TRYING to kill Squirrelflight's kits and no one gave him a free pass. So Breezepelt shouldn't either. It doesn't matter if he's "trying" to work hard to prove himself. He still tried to end lives. He insulted the memory of a dead Hollyleaf, and wanted to kill Crowfeather. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, justifies that, just like how no one justified Ashfur attempting to murder the Three. sorry I’m not arguing anything right now. my opinion is my opinion and it is not changing nor am I excusing anyone for anything but you can believe what you want to believe.
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 7, 2018 15:58:47 GMT -5
I will never forgive him for trying to kill Poppyfrost. But he'll most likely going to StarClan.
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Post by mymerlincat on Oct 7, 2018 16:02:43 GMT -5
Ashfur went to StarClan because he didn’t hate his Clan, nor did he have anymore evil intentions. Squirrelflight’s life was ruined, he had no more wishes of vengeance. So since he was at peace and had no more ill wishes towards the Clans, StarClan took him in. I don’t agree with that standard but that’s how it is.
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Post by Brindlefern on Oct 7, 2018 16:04:33 GMT -5
Ashfur went to StarClan because he didn’t hate his Clan, nor did he have anymore evil intentions. Squirrelflight’s life was ruined, he had no more wishes of vengeance. So since he was at peace and had no more ill wishes towards the Clans, StarClan took him in. I don’t agree with that standard but that’s how it is. Ashfur went to Starclan only because Vicky took pity on him. There's literally no other explanation than that. Anyways, that's not the topic. In regards to Breeze, I'd say he'd go to Starclan, he had his redemption, he's made peace with his half and full family, and his clan (Or at least as much as he could with the latter), and he had to work for his redemption, which is still shaky anyways as his clan still shows to not fully forgive him but he still worked for it, if he stays that way I'm certain he'd go to Starclan. (Normally I'm of the headcanon that trying to kill a MC would be an insta-ticket to the DF no matter what as I personally consider it, as TV Tropes puts it, instantly within if not past the "Moral Event Horizon", but that's all it is is headcanon, and canon doesn't work that way, so I'm disregarding that and looking at it from a canon standpoint)
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Post by sylveon on Oct 7, 2018 16:05:12 GMT -5
I personally think he should go to the dark forest - he shouldn't have been given a redemption in the first place. He tried to kill a PREGNANT QUEEN and a Medicine cat, which is pretty much cat-priests. There's nothing to excuse that, even if he works to make up for it he was still willing to kill innocent cats over a grudge against his father. Cool motive, still murder. Not to mention he did attack a windclan cat in TLH, and showed no remorse in DS. I'll be honest when I say I kind of liked him in CT, but his redemption just wasn't good enough for me. But we all know he'll be going to starClan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 16:05:23 GMT -5
Breezepelt, still TRIED to kill Jayfeather. And he would have succeeded had Honeyfern never helped. Attempted murder is just as bad, and there's no excuse for it. This situation is no different from Ashfur's attempted murder. Fans hate Ashfur for simply TRYING to kill Squirrelflight's kits and no one gave him a free pass. So Breezepelt shouldn't either. It doesn't matter if he's "trying" to work hard to prove himself. He still tried to end lives. He insulted the memory of a dead Hollyleaf, and wanted to kill Crowfeather. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, justifies that, just like how no one justified Ashfur attempting to murder the Three. sorry I’m not arguing anything right now. my opinion is my opinion and it is not changing nor am I excusing anyone for anything but you can believe what you want to believe. Well. I don't care. Because in a week's time, I shall return to you with a 100-page essay on Breezepelt, with unnecessarily ties with real-events and deep moral questions, that will make you question your entire existence. That you must reply to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 16:12:48 GMT -5
Ashfur went to StarClan because he didn’t hate his Clan, nor did he have anymore evil intentions. Squirrelflight’s life was ruined, he had no more wishes of vengeance. So since he was at peace and had no more ill wishes towards the Clans, StarClan took him in. I don’t agree with that standard but that’s how it is. Ashfur went to Starclan only because Vicky took pity on him. There's literally no other explanation than that. That explanation never made sense to me. Sure, the villain is at "peace with themselves" or "satisfied", but what about all their victims? They're still emotionally ruined or dead. If Tigerstar or Brokenstar were satisfied after all their crimes, should they be sent to Starclan? Sure Ashfur didn't hate his Clan per say, but they main phrase is here, he didn't care. Not at all. He was willing to throw anyone under the bus if it meant he could get his petty revenge. Literally willing to kill anyone, as long as they uncontrollably kin with Squirrelflight, could be noble leader, could be a Blind Medicine cat. Doesn't matter. Even willing to scapegoat those who have no connection at all: Blackstar, Birchpaw and Brambleclaw. Finally risked wars on serval times and didn't care about weakening Thunderclan.
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Post by Basement Cat on Oct 7, 2018 16:16:50 GMT -5
*sees a breezepelt topic
*grabs the popcorn
*literally going to go make popcorn I want some
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 7, 2018 16:17:05 GMT -5
sorry I’m not arguing anything right now. my opinion is my opinion and it is not changing nor am I excusing anyone for anything but you can believe what you want to believe. Well. I don't care. Because in a week's time, I shall return to you with a 100-page essay on Breezepelt, with unnecessarily ties with real-events and deep moral questions, that will make you question your entire existence. That you must reply to. Bruh i hardly read 10 page essays let alone 100 page essays. Your work will be for naught.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 16:19:38 GMT -5
Well. I don't care. Because in a week's time, I shall return to you with a 100-page essay on Breezepelt, with unnecessarily ties with real-events and deep moral questions, that will make you question your entire existence. That you must reply to. Bruh i hardly read 10 page essays let alone 100 page essays. Your work will be for naught. Fine. I shall write a 1000 page essay but with 0.000001 Font, so creates the illusion of a 10-page document.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 7, 2018 16:20:26 GMT -5
Bruh i hardly read 10 page essays let alone 100 page essays. Your work will be for naught. Fine. I shall write a 1000 page essay but with 0.000001 Font, so creates the illusion of a 10-page document. Then you’ve simply killed trees and wasted precious ink. Who’s the real evil one now? dun dundunnn
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 16:25:57 GMT -5
Bruh i hardly read 10 page essays let alone 100 page essays. Your work will be for naught. Fine. I shall write a 1000 page essay but with 0.000001 Font, so creates the illusion of a 10-page document. Make her write an essay on how Needletail is a well written character
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 16:26:25 GMT -5
Fine. I shall write a 1000 page essay but with 0.000001 Font, so creates the illusion of a 10-page document. Then you’ve simply killed trees and wasted precious ink. Who’s the real evil one now? dun dundunnn Doesn't need papar. Only computers. Those admittedly a document this massive might crash any computer is stored on anyway. Creating a chain reaction, where the price of laptops skyrockets due to the high demand after all the broken ones. Then accidentally create a super virus, where I become the most wanted criminal in the world. So many computers would be destroyed, it lead to the end of modern civilisation as we know it. So yeah, maybe I won't do it.
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