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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 28, 2018 7:46:34 GMT -5
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Asexual
Mayflower
I am a Daisy and Ferncloud stan first, and a human being second
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Post by Mayflower on Aug 28, 2018 8:45:20 GMT -5
RAMBLE AHEAD WHILE I READ:
Crowfeather at it again, getting on my nerves with his judgment against Harespring. I know I'm being nitpicky and will dislike Crowfeather regardless, but really? Internally complaining that he wasn't chosen as deputy over Harespring? Smh. Then wishing Featherpaw was his daughter instead?? Ugggghh. You couldn't even parent your actual son, Crowfeather. And then later, thinking how his time with Leafpool still meant more to him than apparently everything he had in WindClan? For God's sake, just leave the Clan. He's so miserable anyway.
But I'm certainly curious about what that white thing was. I really like Hootpaw, too.
And surprisingly, Onestar is a good leader. I should've expected it, since his cats are so loyal to him and fiercely defended him whenever he was a twat to cats outside the Clan, but I mean, ShadowClan did the same thing with all their crappy leaders, so I wasn't sure which end of the spectrum that he'd fall on. He comforted Crowfeather and is trying to get to the bottom of everything between Crowfeather, Nightcloud, and Breezepelt, and he called him out on being a bad Clanmate/father. I can imagine Firestar doing the same thing. Still, Crowfeather's (silent, internal) disrespect for Onestar also grates me. Onestar stated good reasons for not making Crowfeather his deputy. Crowfeather didn't give up crap, imo, beyond a few sidelong cold glances, from what we can see/he recalled. He dared remind Onestar that Breezepelt tried to kill Lionblaze, when he had long since been a bad father to Breezepelt before that, and even insinuated to himself that Lionblaze somehow meant more to him than Breezepelt (and only by extension that Lionblaze is Leafpool's son). I'm flabbergasted by his mental gymnastics. His dream about Ashfoot was sad, though, and I like how they're writing so much throwbacks to the fact that she's his mother.
Some of the WC cats are saying similar things that the TC said about the former DF trainees. I find that interesting. I also love that Nightcloud stood up for her son when he offered to go into the tunnels. It even showed that Breezepelt really is hurt by his Clanmates' thoughts that they basically wish he were dead. But then it's spoiled by Crowfeather feeling resentful of Nightcloud's bond with Breezepelt, and how neither of them "ever looked at him like that" (with love and trust). Seriously, dude? You're the worst. Then he later thought about how Breezepelt would embarrass him if Breezepelt got scared in the tunnels, even after recalling that Breezepelt had been caught in the tunnels as an apprentice and nearly drowned. Ugh!!! What a jackass! Jesus Christ.
Again: I'm being nitpicky, but man I have a feeling reading his POV is gonna leave a sour taste in my mouth for a good portion of the book.
TLDR; I still hate Crowfeather, but Harper Collins did one thing right, and that was pique my interest about this book. Now I want to read it and will even sludge through its terrible POV character to figure out what's happening.
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 28, 2018 8:52:30 GMT -5
FIIIIIINALLY!
WELP I'M OFF TO READ
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 28, 2018 9:01:56 GMT -5
Onestar is an idiot. You have the nerve to say that Breezepelt matters more than Lionblaze because he's WindClan? Just completely ignoring the fact he tried to purposely kill, which is against the code. I hate him even more now. If he wad so worried about Crowfeather being prejudice, then how aboit teaching him as deputy instead of pissing off a senior warrior that everyone expected to be deputy instead of a trainee that shows to still be immature. Not wise. Not wise at all.
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 28, 2018 9:02:50 GMT -5
Ooooh. GHOST CATS? Like actual LEGIT Ghost cats? Not Starclan cats or anything like that? Similar to Fallen Leaves perhaps? If that's so... Now I'm really interested.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 28, 2018 9:12:15 GMT -5
I was right about Nightcloud. Hah.
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Post by Showers on Aug 28, 2018 9:16:21 GMT -5
is onestar really the one saying this
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 28, 2018 9:21:02 GMT -5
is onestar really the one saying this RIGHT? I saw that and was like "Okay but LOOK WHO'S TALKING..."
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 28, 2018 9:23:52 GMT -5
is onestar really the one saying this RIGHT? I saw that and was like "Okay but LOOK WHO'S TALKING..." That comment pissed me off to be honest.
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Post by Smokyyy on Aug 28, 2018 9:26:10 GMT -5
So the ghosts.. They are really cool. I have a feeling that Crow is going to meet a ton of ghost cats that are in a sort of purgatory like Needle was. But that doesn't make sense. So idk. I figure he might try free them so they can get to Starclan. So that's interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 9:28:00 GMT -5
Onestar: You care about your own anger and prejudices more than you do about WindClan.
Me: Says the guy who attacks the ThunderClan camp in the middle of the night because of being mad at Firestar.
And just when I was letting up on Onestar a little...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 9:41:12 GMT -5
The only thing that sticks out to me right now is Onestar. I’m pleased that he’s confident and has the authority over his clan by now, but a lot of things he said to Crowfeather didn’t make sense at all. “Well you can find family in your other family now” um Nightcloud is his ex now and I’m pretty sure that cuts out the “family” in a relationship, I don’t know what he’s talking about- and Breezepelt and him are estranged and have been for months, maybe years. That’s like someone telling me when my mom dies to go find joy with my ex boyfriend and my cousin that I had a falling out with. Yeah, no, I think I’ll go hang out with some friends, thanks. And maybe I’m just used to ThunderClan being all sympathetic towards everyone but Onestar dismissing Breezepelt trying to kill a cat in another clan and just reminding Crowfeather to be focused on his loyalty to WindClan just... puts me off. I know traditional clan culture pre-Firestar was “screw them, we only matter”, but I still don’t like it.
Though now that I think about it, only Ivypool knows that Breezepelt almost attacked his own clanmate. No one else. So honestly, from Onestar’s- and a WindClan perspective- forgiving Breezepelt made more sense. He only knew that he tried to kill a ThunderClan cat, which to WindClan probably didn’t matter anyway and even if they knew- he didn’t actually end up doing it, Ivypool stopped him. No it doesn’t excuse his intent- like Ashfur’s- but technically no WindClan cat was harmed by him in the end and so I can see Onestar’s logic. Of course I don’t agree with his logic but it’s not based on nothing.
But on the other hand I really liked how Onestar told off Crowfeather for being to angry and bitter, cause justified or not it’s not good for him or the clan and Onestar’s right in his reason to not choose him- a deputy, and assuming leader later on cannot have that much anger in their heart, cause it risks them letting it get in the way of their duty to their clan. I almost wonder if Onestar is almost echoing his own early leadership, where he was often so angry- and was extremely angry during eclipse- that he let that anger start a massive war. If he’s trying to make sure the next leader didn’t start out like him, props to him for that. At least, I hope so. If not that’s pretty low on his part cause he’d be a massive hypocrite.
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Post by chimken nugget on Aug 28, 2018 9:42:16 GMT -5
The ghost idea is so cool!
Also, who's Onestar to talk about anger issues? Still, I guess his Clanmates are loyal to him and I already love this book so much. I'm also glad that Crowfeather feels bad about Ashfoot's death. I was pretty sure she wasn't going to be mentioned at all, so that's a huge improvement.
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Post by Kibui on Aug 28, 2018 9:50:03 GMT -5
- Crowfeather ... I think I'm beginning to like this guy. Reading his snarky remarks from his POV is kind of hilarious :'D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 9:57:01 GMT -5
Also I’m rejoicing every time Crowfeather and Nightcloud jab at each other cause it gives me more hope that they’ll stay apart, last chapter was way too suspicious for comfort.
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 28, 2018 9:58:17 GMT -5
I did not expect Cherith to mention Breezepelt's other possible siblings from that Sunset short play. I thought that was a mistake or something! But nope it's CANON now! I did have somewhat of a theory regarding that and imagined that was why Nightcloud was so overprotective of him. It WOULD make a lot of sense in a way, as it'd probably explain a few of her previous actions (Like being super worried for him after the Tunnel incident in The Sight), maybe she was scared she'd lose him and thus her whole litter in that happening. Also it'd kinda probably sting for Nightcloud in a way too, losing two out of three, because... imagine having two out of three of your children from the person you become legal mates with with dying, only to find out later that your former lover's forbidden Ex had three kits as well, only for them all to turn out perfectly fine in comparison. However that was simply my headcanon at the time to make use of that because I was conflicted on if that was true or not.
Huh, who would've thunk it!
I don't mind it either because it doesn't have any difference to the canon unlike other mistakes I've seen. So I'm cool with it being made a thing.
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Post by briarfrost on Aug 28, 2018 9:58:57 GMT -5
holy smokes Crow lay off Harespring. He's making mistakes but he's doing the best he can. Ghost cats, huh? Interesting. If that theory is true, it might actually make Tree's powers a little less one-off. Crowfeather's dream about Ashfoot tho A wild, conspiracy-theorist part of me wonders if the water in Kestrelflight's dream is supposed to be RiverClan, and that they'll all be looking at the tunnels so hard they'll be caught off-guard by an attack from the other direction. Maybe it could also be the flood? Bramblestar said they were supposed to be mostly untouched, but the flood could sweep away a lot of their prey. “Yes,” Onestar said. “Because you care about your anger and prejudices more than you care about WindClan.” Okay on the one hand that's rich coming from you. But on the other I am tickled pick he's calling Crowfeather out on his bad attitude. YES. THAT'S GOOD. "Why was he so angry all the time?" Is...is that a hint of self-reflection I see? Breeze doing dangerous duties for the Clan, good, work your tail off. EARN your atonement. "the only of their litter to survive" So the theory they had other kits and only Breeze survived was true, huh? Explains why Nightcloud is so overprotective. Also I like all the little scenes of them hanging out, like her volunteering for the tunnels too and him being grateful. Show more of their relationship! “He was too rough when he tried to play with him, or too strict” Hmmm, so Crowfeather did try? But you still gave up at some point, so... Oh look, it's an entire family outing + Furzepelt! Who I just remembered is Heathertail's former apprentice; maybe the reason she forgave Breeze so quickly is because she had two cats (potentially three if the 'Hare is her brother' theory is true) she's close to go to the DF? Would love to get her thoughts on that honestly. oh yeah Crow, lord forbid your son has a panic attack or something in a place where he almost drowned, that'd be embarassing for you ---- So Crow's perspective continues to irritate me, but this is actually turning out...better than I thought? He's biased but he's being called on that bias, there's hints he might think about and change his attitude, Breeze is being shunned and made to work for his atonement, I love learning about and seeing more of the WindClan cats (the apprentices, oh man, the apprentices), and the ghost + water mystery is actually intriguing. So yeah, good job, HC.
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Post by gonxkillua on Aug 28, 2018 10:02:07 GMT -5
Onestar still falling to new lows I see. He is disgusting wanting Crowfeather to just get over Breezepelt crimes and forgive him like nothing every happen instantly and acting like him trying to murder Lionblaze is nothing. Let's forget the fact that Lionblaze is Crowfeather bio son for a second the warrior code says it's crime to try to murder another clan cat regardlees of which clan they come from. Onestar should not just be sweeping this under the rug like it means nothing but I will say he's right that Crowfeather should stop brooding over his forbidden losses because he put himself in that situation.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 28, 2018 10:09:12 GMT -5
Hypocritical or not, I love Onestar 1000 times more for being the first cat to call Crowfeather out on his bullcrap. Thank you.
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Post by Darkfang ☾ on Aug 28, 2018 10:12:54 GMT -5
maybe ashfoot hasn't reached starclan yet as she has unfinished business which involves fixing crowfeather' relationship with his family?
could kestralflight's dream be about the flood?
i'm really enjoying this book so far!
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 28, 2018 10:18:20 GMT -5
Just finished reading. I want to read this even more now.
Oh Crowfeather, you're such a bunch of trash, and yet... you interest me. And I don't understand why. I really don't.. Why??? I'm gonna have such mixed feelings through this book but I REALLY wanna read it because I like where this is headed, in just two chapters in too.
Also I want some more of those snarky comments because it actually amuses me.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 28, 2018 10:22:14 GMT -5
jesus i love this
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Post by Kibui on Aug 28, 2018 10:27:23 GMT -5
So Breeze has littermates now huh? I give it a maximum of three days till someone asks Kate about their names/descriptions lol
I'm really conflicted on what to think of this though. On the one hand I don't like how they're going against Vickys and Kates back after they both stated that Breezes littermates from that short story weren't canon and a result of them not being far enough into developing the next series. On the other hand at least this doesn't contradict anything the books/plays/short stories say like with Dovewing's eyes or that Slatefur/Rippletail inconsistency. Either way even though the book looks really promising so far I do wish we could have seen Crowfeather interacting with a young Breezekit instead of just being told about it - but oh well I'm still looking forward to this and maybe the manga will be about that
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 28, 2018 10:29:09 GMT -5
Oh my god ignoring Crowfeather’s bull, this SE is already magnificent!
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 28, 2018 10:32:04 GMT -5
I'm kinda glad I was right about Crowfeather being pushed away by Nightcloud, but I'm also not happy because if she wasn't so damn protective, he could have been a really good father. Instead, he's just distant and it sucks.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 28, 2018 10:34:45 GMT -5
I'm kinda glad I was right about Crowfeather being pushed away by Nightcloud, but I'm also not happy because if she wasn't so damn protective, he could have been a really good father. Instead, he's just distant and it sucks. I’m just so happy that Harespring, Kestrelflight and Breezepelt are getting more spotlight in their clan! And the attention to giving each background character distinct personalities is really exciting to me!
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 28, 2018 10:38:06 GMT -5
I'm kinda glad I was right about Crowfeather being pushed away by Nightcloud, but I'm also not happy because if she wasn't so damn protective, he could have been a really good father. Instead, he's just distant and it sucks. I’m just so happy that Harespring, Kestrelflight and Breezepelt are getting more spotlight in their clan! And the attention to giving each background character distinct personalities is really exciting to me! I agree, but I currently don't like Harespring. I think he's too immature and I'm hoping that they show his development in this SE. I'd like to see him and Crowfeather strike a friendship that explains why Crowfeather was announced as deputy instead of him just being given it because he's respected in the Clan. Ya get what I mean?
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 28, 2018 10:39:46 GMT -5
What makes it great is that I’m already expecting Crowfeather to get author bias of course and make it seem like he’s less than what he really is, but because of that, I can only either be begrudgingly accepting of the book or satisfied with it. I cannot be dissapointed if I’m already expecting dissapointment, right?
So I’m super excited for this now, and I love the present POV but in Windclan because they and Riverclan get forgotten so much
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 28, 2018 10:41:33 GMT -5
I’m just so happy that Harespring, Kestrelflight and Breezepelt are getting more spotlight in their clan! And the attention to giving each background character distinct personalities is really exciting to me! I agree, but I currently don't like Harespring. I think he's too immature and I'm hoping that they show his development in this SE. I'd like to see him and Crowfeather strike a friendship that explains why Crowfeather was announced as deputy instead of him just being given it because he's respected in the Clan. Ya get what I mean? I’d prefer begrudging understanding at first. Crowfeather at least needs to learn not to treat him like an idiot 24/7 first. But, maybe. Who knows. Maybe Harespring did it to show Crowfeather that he’s capable of making decisions and can let go of animosity. We’ll see, I suppose!
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Post by Showers on Aug 28, 2018 10:44:36 GMT -5
Crowfeather going five (5) minutes without thinking someone has bees in their brain
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