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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 22:07:52 GMT -5
lol i love you jess xDD
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 1, 2017 22:24:07 GMT -5
jess just jesting about dressing jess in a dress
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 1, 2017 22:41:00 GMT -5
jess just jesting about dressing jess in a dress Yes. yes, jess? or yes, dress?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 2:24:42 GMT -5
I want to ask you guys opinion on something.
I'm not interested in college, but there is this one Christian college that I've heard about because it was associated with the homeschool program I used. I decided to look it up just for fun to see what it was about, and I was shocked. The rules at this college are so extreme, and in my opinion ridiculous. Like, I understand the reasoning behind some of the rules, but they still feel too strict and overboard. I wanted to ask your opinions on them, because these things are considered sins at this college.
- The dress code is extremely strict and formal, and they dictate what times you are allowed to wear certain things. Basically imagine what you would wear to a business meeting or church all the time, the only exception being certain times. Women are forbidden from wearing anything other than long skirts or dresses. There is more to it, but that's the general idea. Also keep in mind, they live in Florida right by the beach so can you imagine being forced to wear long sleeved dress shirt and pants all the time in that kind of weather? I understand wanting to keep up appearances and of course there are events that should have dress codes, but I feel this is too strict to control someone's entire dress code like this
- No dancing. Dancing is a sin. I understand banning like twerking and stuff like that, but again, seems too strict.
- Pretty much all forms of entertainment is banned. The website says that anything E-10 and above is banned both on and off campus, so basically you're only allowed to watch, play, or listen to things meant for children. This is a college campus. You're also not allowed to go to the movie theater, because the movie theater is sinful. You also can't use headphones, because you're only allowed to listen to things out loud so everyone can make sure you're not listening to something sinful.
- You are forbidden from going certain places outside of campus that could be considered sinful.
- You can only be around someone of the opposite gender under supervision. You can't make contact with the person of the opposite gender, both on and off campus. Men and women aren't allowed to use the same elevators or stairwells. Women also aren't allowed to leave campus alone until they're 23 and they have to have a champerone with them. You also can't date without a chaperone until you're 23. Men and women aren't allowed to go to the same beach or swim together? Basically you're treated like a child who needs constant supervision. I understand wanting to prevent certain "activities" from going on, but this is way overboard to me. In my opinion, people in college are adults and should be trusted to do the right thing and if they can't, then punish them. But to treat everyone like they're ten years old and need to be supervised everywhere they go because they might do something naughty is too strict to me.
- They dictate when you go to bed and when you wake up. You're not allowed to be awake before 5:30 and you're not allowed to be up later than 11.
- Super strict internet access. They control what you can and cannot do, even on your own personal devices. They moniter everything you do online and your things will be taken away if you do something online you're not supposed to. I can see wanting to prevent certain things online, or prevent things from being accessed on a public computer, but I think that people should be allowed to do whatever they want on their own personal devices in their personal space. Controlling what someone does on the internet on their own personal device in the privacy of their own room is stupid to me. And you're not allowed to have your own private internet either, so it's not like they just don't want you taking up bandwidth or anything.
- You're not allowed to make a blanket fort in your room. Yes, this is seriously a rule.
There are more rules, but those were just the ones I found the most ridiculous. I understand they want to make sure students look presentable, and to make sure students aren't engaging in activities they shouldn't be, which is fine to a degree, but this seems too controlling to me. If this was a regular school, then sure. I could see more strict rules for people underage. But for adults, I think it is too much to try and control what they wear, when they wear it, what they can do, what they can enjoy, who they can talk to, where they can go, and so on. That's just my opinion though, and I wanted to ask you guys what you think.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 2, 2017 2:52:08 GMT -5
going to bed in a min but my immediate thought upon reading that:
cult
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Post by Splintercat on May 2, 2017 9:26:59 GMT -5
going to bed in a min but my immediate thought upon reading that:
cult
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 9:38:48 GMT -5
Holy how, and people call my Mormon school too strict. That's crazy. I mean, I guess we it had some of those rules- but that was back in the early 1900s. Not now ._.'
I'd personally look elsewhere. There are plenty of other Christian schools who probably aren't as strict. Or you could always just look at some churches who hold seminars/classes during lunch or other campus breaks. That's what members of my church do if they go to a non-Christian school- during lunch they go to institute, which is a basically an off-campus weekly church lesson in-between classes. That way they can get their weekly douse of the spirit if they wish.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on May 2, 2017 13:06:40 GMT -5
That is insane. 0.0
I would literally run out of there from lack of privacy. (Glad I don't go there.)
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Post by Dreamers Delight on May 2, 2017 14:33:33 GMT -5
I want to ask you guys opinion on something. I'm not interested in college, but there is this one Christian college that I've heard about because it was associated with the homeschool program I used. I decided to look it up just for fun to see what it was about, and I was shocked. The rules at this college are so extreme, and in my opinion ridiculous. Like, I understand the reasoning behind some of the rules, but they still feel too strict and overboard. I wanted to ask your opinions on them, because these things are considered sins at this college. - The dress code is extremely strict and formal, and they dictate what times you are allowed to wear certain things. Basically imagine what you would wear to a business meeting or church all the time, the only exception being certain times. Women are forbidden from wearing anything other than long skirts or dresses. There is more to it, but that's the general idea. Also keep in mind, they live in Florida right by the beach so can you imagine being forced to wear long sleeved dress shirt and pants all the time in that kind of weather? I understand wanting to keep up appearances and of course there are events that should have dress codes, but I feel this is too strict to control someone's entire dress code like this - No dancing. Dancing is a sin. I understand banning like twerking and stuff like that, but again, seems too strict. - Pretty much all forms of entertainment is banned. The website says that anything E-10 and above is banned both on and off campus, so basically you're only allowed to watch, play, or listen to things meant for children. This is a college campus. You're also not allowed to go to the movie theater, because the movie theater is sinful. You also can't use headphones, because you're only allowed to listen to things out loud so everyone can make sure you're not listening to something sinful. - You are forbidden from going certain places outside of campus that could be considered sinful. - You can only be around someone of the opposite gender under supervision. You can't make contact with the person of the opposite gender, both on and off campus. Men and women aren't allowed to use the same elevators or stairwells. Women also aren't allowed to leave campus alone until they're 23 and they have to have a champerone with them. You also can't date without a chaperone until you're 23. Men and women aren't allowed to go to the same beach or swim together? Basically you're treated like a child who needs constant supervision. I understand wanting to prevent certain "activities" from going on, but this is way overboard to me. In my opinion, people in college are adults and should be trusted to do the right thing and if they can't, then punish them. But to treat everyone like they're ten years old and need to be supervised everywhere they go because they might do something naughty is too strict to me. - They dictate when you go to bed and when you wake up. You're not allowed to be awake before 5:30 and you're not allowed to be up later than 11. - Super strict internet access. They control what you can and cannot do, even on your own personal devices. They moniter everything you do online and your things will be taken away if you do something online you're not supposed to. I can see wanting to prevent certain things online, or prevent things from being accessed on a public computer, but I think that people should be allowed to do whatever they want on their own personal devices in their personal space. Controlling what someone does on the internet on their own personal device in the privacy of their own room is stupid to me. And you're not allowed to have your own private internet either, so it's not like they just don't want you taking up bandwidth or anything. - You're not allowed to make a blanket fort in your room. Yes, this is seriously a rule. There are more rules, but those were just the ones I found the most ridiculous. I understand they want to make sure students look presentable, and to make sure students aren't engaging in activities they shouldn't be, which is fine to a degree, but this seems too controlling to me. If this was a regular school, then sure. I could see more strict rules for people underage. But for adults, I think it is too much to try and control what they wear, when they wear it, what they can do, what they can enjoy, who they can talk to, where they can go, and so on. That's just my opinion though, and I wanted to ask you guys what you think. About the dancing one. My uncle almost went to a school that said dancing was sinful. My grandpa got up, walked to the man who was speaking and said: David danced before the lord. The man was speechless as they left.
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Post by Dreamers Delight on May 2, 2017 14:35:09 GMT -5
going to bed in a min but my immediate thought upon reading that:
cult
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 2, 2017 17:00:28 GMT -5
dancing is so much fun so i take personal offense at that bit
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 17:27:58 GMT -5
How can they control what you do off campus tho? you're an adult and unless they're stalking you, which should be illegal, they wouldn't be able to control you
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 17:34:18 GMT -5
How can they control what you do off campus tho? you're an adult and unless they're stalking you, which should be illegal, they wouldn't be able to control you Apparently from what I have read, you have a campus card and when you go to leave you scan it and pick a predetermined place that they have approved. So they know where you are supposed to be going, and I guess they check for you or something. I'm not exactly sure, but either way you have to have chaperones with you so if you go and do something you aren't supposed to, they can tell on you. Some people have said there are ways to work around the system though. I also guess that because of the attire you are forced to wear, if you go someplace you aren't supposed to, they can spot you a mile away because you stand out
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 17:35:21 GMT -5
Holy how, and people call my Mormon school too strict. That's crazy. I mean, I guess we it had some of those rules- but that was back in the early 1900s. Not now ._.' I'd personally look elsewhere. There are plenty of other Christian schools who probably aren't as strict. Or you could always just look at some churches who hold seminars/classes during lunch or other campus breaks. That's what members of my church do if they go to a non-Christian school- during lunch they go to institute, which is a basically an off-campus weekly church lesson in-between classes. That way they can get their weekly douse of the spirit if they wish. Oh, I wasn't planning on going there anyways. I just wondered what it was about because I had heard of it before. Even without these strict rules, I wouldn't want to go there because it's too far away.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 17:35:35 GMT -5
How can they control what you do off campus tho? you're an adult and unless they're stalking you, which should be illegal, they wouldn't be able to control you Apparently from what I have read, you have a campus card and when you go to leave you scan it and pick a predetermined place that they have approved. So they know where you are supposed to be going, and I guess they check for you or something. I'm not exactly sure, but either way you have to have chaperones with you so if you go and do something you aren't supposed to, they can tell on you. Some people have said there are ways to work around the system though. I also guess that because of the attire you are forced to wear, if you go someplace you aren't supposed to, they can spot you a mile away because you stand out that's like prison tbh how is this even a real school?? o.O
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 17:42:36 GMT -5
I know right? It just sounds way too controlling, and last night I even found a list that had it ranked as the second strictest college. People have said they can do this because they're private, and I guess that's true because this school has been open for a long time and it isn't secret or anything. I just know I would never want to go there.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 17:45:30 GMT -5
yeah it sounds awful! but i guess if people want to go to it, they're the ones who have to agree to it all.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 2, 2017 18:32:28 GMT -5
Patriarchal Christianity, from what it sounds like. quiverfull movement type.
Gothardism is basically that, by the way
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 18:39:33 GMT -5
tbh tho something like that sounds like it would make a really cool book like almost like there's a ulterior motive behind all the rules and like the governments trying to make everyone fall in line idk XD
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 2, 2017 18:47:51 GMT -5
im pretty sure that's called 1984 ted
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 18:52:36 GMT -5
Never heard of or read it
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 2, 2017 19:16:31 GMT -5
Never heard of or read it i...i legit can't tell if you're joking or not
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 19:28:20 GMT -5
Never heard of or read it i...i legit can't tell if you're joking or notim being serious
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 19:36:01 GMT -5
Here is something else I learned about this school...
"The school operates a "demerit" system where "demerits" are "recorded on a student’s record for the purpose of limiting continued misconduct, given for continued neglect of responsibilities or for more serious offenses." PCC has four levels of punishment; students can be given "infractions," can be "limited", "shadowed", or expelled. For students, who receive "75 demerits in consecutive semesters or 100 demerits within a semester may be subject to suspension." Students who have these demerits are subject to administrative review by the Student Court, during which demerits are assigned or canceled corresponding to the degree of the infraction or circumstantial conditions surrounding the incident in question."
Students who acquire a certain number of demerits in a semester are "limited," meaning they are not allowed to leave campus for a period of time. Students suspected of more serious violations may be subject to being "shadowed," where they are assigned to a Residence Assistant (a fellow student who is selected by PCC to provide leadership in the residence hall and to enforce college regulations). This includes being required to attend the Residence Assistant's classes and moving to the Residence Assistant's room. While being shadowed the student is prohibited from speaking with any student other than the Residence Assistant."
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 19:40:13 GMT -5
Dang that's insane
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 2, 2017 19:40:18 GMT -5
i...i legit can't tell if you're joking or not im being serious 1984 is arguably the world's most famous "dystopia", written by George Orwell in 1949. It was made to be a word of warning to the masses about the dangers of censorship, government control, and the slippery slope from freedom to tyranny. Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury is of a similar vein, although written later than 1984 and much, much shorter. One of the two is commonly read in high school literature classes as a classic.
I'm kinda shocked you've never heard of it, it's one of those famous classics like Shakespeare, Lord of the Flies, or To Kill a Mockingbird.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 2, 2017 19:42:25 GMT -5
Here is something else I learned about this school... "The school operates a "demerit" system where "demerits" are "recorded on a student’s record for the purpose of limiting continued misconduct, given for continued neglect of responsibilities or for more serious offenses." PCC has four levels of punishment; students can be given "infractions," can be "limited", "shadowed", or expelled. For students, who receive "75 demerits in consecutive semesters or 100 demerits within a semester may be subject to suspension." Students who have these demerits are subject to administrative review by the Student Court, during which demerits are assigned or canceled corresponding to the degree of the infraction or circumstantial conditions surrounding the incident in question." Students who acquire a certain number of demerits in a semester are "limited," meaning they are not allowed to leave campus for a period of time. Students suspected of more serious violations may be subject to being "shadowed," where they are assigned to a Residence Assistant (a fellow student who is selected by PCC to provide leadership in the residence hall and to enforce college regulations). This includes being required to attend the Residence Assistant's classes and moving to the Residence Assistant's room. While being shadowed the student is prohibited from speaking with any student other than the Residence Assistant." h oly cr a p
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 19:47:01 GMT -5
1984 is arguably the world's most famous "dystopia", written by George Orwell in 1949. It was made to be a word of warning to the masses about the dangers of censorship, government control, and the slippery slope from freedom to tyranny. Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury is of a similar vein, although written later than 1984 and much, much shorter. One of the two is commonly read in high school literature classes as a classic.
I'm kinda shocked you've never heard of it, it's one of those famous classics like Shakespeare, Lord of the Flies, or To Kill a Mockingbird. huh seriously?? that's really weird like wow I mean I did read a lot of classics in High school but more stuff like To Kill a Mockingbird and such I mean for English in highschool I think I had one book a year I had to read (writing I did a lot more but I hardly remember them because they were really boring and hard to read aka the Scarlet Letter) and I got to pick from a list, which mostly lead to me picking things I already read xD Except I think one book I hadn't read before was Mere Christianity, which was good but also a bit hard for my brain to understand xD I did a LOT more reading on American and British Lit because I have both American and British Lit and those were mostly short stories and poems and such
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 2, 2017 19:51:57 GMT -5
1984 is arguably the world's most famous "dystopia", written by George Orwell in 1949. It was made to be a word of warning to the masses about the dangers of censorship, government control, and the slippery slope from freedom to tyranny. Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury is of a similar vein, although written later than 1984 and much, much shorter. One of the two is commonly read in high school literature classes as a classic.
I'm kinda shocked you've never heard of it, it's one of those famous classics like Shakespeare, Lord of the Flies, or To Kill a Mockingbird. huh seriously?? that's really weird like wow I mean I did read a lot of classics in High school but more stuff like To Kill a Mockingbird and such I mean for English in highschool I think I had one book a year I had to read (writing I did a lot more but I hardly remember them because they were really boring and hard to read aka the Scarlet Letter) and I got to pick from a list, which mostly lead to me picking things I already read xD Except I think one book I hadn't read before was Mere Christianity, which was good but also a bit hard for my brain to understand xD I did a LOT more reading on American and British Lit because I have both American and British Lit and those were mostly short stories and poems and such one book a year for lit??? how. we did, uh, //counts// 14 books this year. lord of the flies, all my sons, frankenstein, consolation of philosophy, a tale of two cities, robinson cursoe, the pearl, the time machine, the screwtape letters, animal farm, til we have faces, romeo and juliet, fahrenheit 451, and the man who was thursday
plus books in theology like augustine's confessions
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 20:01:39 GMT -5
huh seriously?? that's really weird like wow I mean I did read a lot of classics in High school but more stuff like To Kill a Mockingbird and such I mean for English in highschool I think I had one book a year I had to read (writing I did a lot more but I hardly remember them because they were really boring and hard to read aka the Scarlet Letter) and I got to pick from a list, which mostly lead to me picking things I already read xD Except I think one book I hadn't read before was Mere Christianity, which was good but also a bit hard for my brain to understand xD I did a LOT more reading on American and British Lit because I have both American and British Lit and those were mostly short stories and poems and such one book a year for lit??? how. we did, uh, //counts// 14 books this year. lord of the flies, all my sons, frankenstein, consolation of philosophy, a tale of two cities, robinson cursoe, the pearl, the time machine, the screwtape letters, animal farm, til we have faces, romeo and juliet, fahrenheit 451, and the man who was thursday
plus books in theology like augustine's confessionsYeah! I didn't realize how unusual it was until people tell me how many books they usually read in a year for school. My English classes were heavily focused on grammar and sentence construction. It was my Lit classes that were more book focused but again they were usually the short stories and poems and epics like beowulf and stuff like that.
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