Pixie
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Post by Pixie on Nov 11, 2017 18:50:16 GMT -5
I'm quite the predictable person and have asked this before: why are you neutral on Twigpaw? Why do you love Needletail? Twigpaw just never interested me all that much and her obsession with her kin in the previous two books kind of annoyed me, although I do like her development in DN. As for Needletail, I find her to be interesting. She was a rebellious cat, but it doesn't seem like it was ever her intention for anyone to die, seeing as how she was horrified when she heard about Rain and Dawnpelt. I understand why she resented the Clans and the warrior code, but of course she ended up taking things too far. The older ShadowClan cats telling the younger ones how ShadowClan was in the past, as well as Rowanstar's weak leadership, seemed to influence her as well. And of course, there's the whole owl and Tree incident that led to her resentment in the first place. However, Needletail has been shown to be compassionate and sensitive. Even in TAQ, she helped Alderpaw gain confidence when he was doubting himself, and comforted Rain when he lost an eye. And those are just two examples. And of course, in SS, she helped Alderheart and Mothwing smuggle herbs, gave her food to the RiverClan prisoners, and sacrificed herself for Violetpaw. Even in death, she's trying to make things right again. Needletail was never a truly bad cat, but her own bitterness clouded her better judgement. Twigpaw, may not be interesting in your opinion, but she's one tough cat. She got hit by a car, has wandered alone and she stands up for those in need. As Alderheart stated, she's independent (even though that doesn't work well with Clan life). The kin thing, though annoying at times, was interesting. It was like an itch, she just couldn't reach. For all Twigpaw knew, her sister didn't love her, her mom was dead, and though she had ThunderClan, she thought they stopped caring about not only her wellbeing, but SkyClan's and any potential family she had left. She misjudged and thought it was family she wanted. While not as conflicted as Violetpaw, she still had that itch she just couldn't reach. She's by no means weak in character. She stands her ground while still being this upbeat, humorous character who can take things seriously. Needletail, if she was a person and a kid, she'd go off with a person much older, disrespect her parents, and claim it all in the name of "love" like that one kid in Dr. Phil. Sure, she knew what she did was wrong in the end, but that was only because of Rain's death. Rain, Rain, Rain, she liked him, why? I don't know what you think, but I think it was because he's older. She's the reason ShadowClan fell apart and became the dripping mess that it is. All over the fact that they didn't look for her when they thought she was dead which was a very rational thought. I guess I really dislike her because of how irrational she is. I typed this up quickly. Sorry for any typos on such. I lack AutoCorrect.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Nov 11, 2017 20:09:33 GMT -5
Twigpaw just never interested me all that much and her obsession with her kin in the previous two books kind of annoyed me, although I do like her development in DN. As for Needletail, I find her to be interesting. She was a rebellious cat, but it doesn't seem like it was ever her intention for anyone to die, seeing as how she was horrified when she heard about Rain and Dawnpelt. I understand why she resented the Clans and the warrior code, but of course she ended up taking things too far. The older ShadowClan cats telling the younger ones how ShadowClan was in the past, as well as Rowanstar's weak leadership, seemed to influence her as well. And of course, there's the whole owl and Tree incident that led to her resentment in the first place. However, Needletail has been shown to be compassionate and sensitive. Even in TAQ, she helped Alderpaw gain confidence when he was doubting himself, and comforted Rain when he lost an eye. And those are just two examples. And of course, in SS, she helped Alderheart and Mothwing smuggle herbs, gave her food to the RiverClan prisoners, and sacrificed herself for Violetpaw. Even in death, she's trying to make things right again. Needletail was never a truly bad cat, but her own bitterness clouded her better judgement. Twigpaw, may not be interesting in your opinion, but she's one tough cat. She got hit by a car, has wandered alone and she stands up for those in need. As Alderheart stated, she's independent (even though that doesn't work well with Clan life). The kin thing, though annoying at times, was interesting. It was like an itch, she just couldn't reach. For all Twigpaw knew, her sister didn't love her, her mom was dead, and though she had ThunderClan, she thought they stopped caring about not only her wellbeing, but SkyClan's and any potential family she had left. She misjudged and thought it was family she wanted. While not as conflicted as Violetpaw, she still had that itch she just couldn't reach. She's by no means weak in character. She stands her ground while still being this upbeat, humorous character who can take things seriously. Needletail, if she was a person and a kid, she'd go off with a person much older, disrespect her parents, and claim it all in the name of "love" like that one kid in Dr. Phil. Sure, she knew what she did was wrong in the end, but that was only because of Rain's death. Rain, Rain, Rain, she liked him, why? I don't know what you think, but I think it was because he's older. She's the reason ShadowClan fell apart and became the dripping mess that it is. All over the fact that they didn't look for her when they thought she was dead which was a very rational thought. I guess I really dislike her because of how irrational she is. I typed this up quickly. Sorry for any typos on such. I lack AutoCorrect. Yes, Twigpaw's tough, but that doesn't mean I have to like her for it. As for Needletail, the opposite goes for her. I will not deny these claims, nor will I ever deny them. But here's the thing: I sometimes tend to judge my opinion on the characters as, well, characters. Not cats. Characters. Meaning I judge them based on how well-written they were, how much they contributed to the story, etc... Of course, sometimes I tend to place actions above characterization, so there are indeed exceptions, depending on how strongly I feel about the character. Sometimes annoyance does play a part. Twigpaw for example is clearly supposed to be likable, and I doubt the Erins meant to have her come off as uninteresting or annoying in the previous two books. She's adorable, and I like that she stands up for what's right, but I just couldn't get that invested in her story arc until DN. Maybe it's just me, but optimistic characters aren't really my thing, either. But complex ones, especially those who turn bad and eventually try to make up for it? Definitely. So personal preference is something to think about as well, and also how we're seeing the characters. As cats though, Twigpaw isn't that bad, and Needletail was horrible, especially in TAS. I'm not blind to her faults. In fact, before SS came out, I had actually hoped something horrible would happen to her and the rest of ShadowClan for their betrayal, if only to wake them up to reality. And it did, even if it was too late by then.
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Post by Pixie on Nov 11, 2017 20:53:41 GMT -5
Twigpaw, may not be interesting in your opinion, but she's one tough cat. She got hit by a car, has wandered alone and she stands up for those in need. As Alderheart stated, she's independent (even though that doesn't work well with Clan life). The kin thing, though annoying at times, was interesting. It was like an itch, she just couldn't reach. For all Twigpaw knew, her sister didn't love her, her mom was dead, and though she had ThunderClan, she thought they stopped caring about not only her wellbeing, but SkyClan's and any potential family she had left. She misjudged and thought it was family she wanted. While not as conflicted as Violetpaw, she still had that itch she just couldn't reach. She's by no means weak in character. She stands her ground while still being this upbeat, humorous character who can take things seriously. Needletail, if she was a person and a kid, she'd go off with a person much older, disrespect her parents, and claim it all in the name of "love" like that one kid in Dr. Phil. Sure, she knew what she did was wrong in the end, but that was only because of Rain's death. Rain, Rain, Rain, she liked him, why? I don't know what you think, but I think it was because he's older. She's the reason ShadowClan fell apart and became the dripping mess that it is. All over the fact that they didn't look for her when they thought she was dead which was a very rational thought. I guess I really dislike her because of how irrational she is. I typed this up quickly. Sorry for any typos on such. I lack AutoCorrect. Yes, Twigpaw's tough, but that doesn't mean I have to like her for it. As for Needletail, the opposite goes for her. I will not deny these claims, nor will I ever deny them. But here's the thing: I sometimes tend to judge my opinion on the characters as, well, characters. Not cats. Characters. Meaning I judge them based on how well-written they were, how much they contributed to the story, etc... Of course, sometimes I tend to place actions above characterization, so there are indeed exceptions, depending on how strongly I feel about the character. Sometimes annoyance does play a part. Twigpaw for example is clearly supposed to be likable, and I doubt the Erins meant to have her come off as uninteresting or annoying in the previous two books. She's adorable, and I like that she stands up for what's right, but I just couldn't get that invested in her story arc until DN. Maybe it's just me, but optimistic characters aren't really my thing, either. But complex ones, especially those who turn bad and eventually try to make up for it? Definitely. So personal preference is something to think about as well, and also how we're seeing the characters. As cats though, Twigpaw isn't that bad, and Needletail was horrible, especially in TAS. I'm not blind to her faults. In fact, before SS came out, I had actually hoped something horrible would happen to her and the rest of ShadowClan for their betrayal, if only to wake them up to reality. And it did, even if it was too late by then. While I can't say much for Needletail after your statements, Twigpaw is complex. While not as conflicted as Violetshine, almost everyone thought she'd stay in SkyClan, but she did a 180 and joined ThunderClan again. Not to mention, even when she's sad, she sucks up and pretends to be happy despite her mind being split into two. She can be bitter, though, shown when she thought she and Hawkwing should've had a stronger bond than him and Violetshine, seeing as she found SkyClan. She feels guilty for having such thoughts. I believe her to be relatable, seeing as she strives toward being liked, while at the same time doing things at her own pace. I feel that she's matured quite a bit since Shattered Sky. She was once naive and sensitive, but now she's more practical and tells others they can't mope, while all the same encouraging them to do better If it's just personal preference out of certain characters and you can't see yourself liking Twigpaw, I get that, I do. I'm the same way when it comes to upbeat characters like her and Sparkpelt.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Nov 11, 2017 21:03:25 GMT -5
Yes, Twigpaw's tough, but that doesn't mean I have to like her for it. As for Needletail, the opposite goes for her. I will not deny these claims, nor will I ever deny them. But here's the thing: I sometimes tend to judge my opinion on the characters as, well, characters. Not cats. Characters. Meaning I judge them based on how well-written they were, how much they contributed to the story, etc... Of course, sometimes I tend to place actions above characterization, so there are indeed exceptions, depending on how strongly I feel about the character. Sometimes annoyance does play a part. Twigpaw for example is clearly supposed to be likable, and I doubt the Erins meant to have her come off as uninteresting or annoying in the previous two books. She's adorable, and I like that she stands up for what's right, but I just couldn't get that invested in her story arc until DN. Maybe it's just me, but optimistic characters aren't really my thing, either. But complex ones, especially those who turn bad and eventually try to make up for it? Definitely. So personal preference is something to think about as well, and also how we're seeing the characters. As cats though, Twigpaw isn't that bad, and Needletail was horrible, especially in TAS. I'm not blind to her faults. In fact, before SS came out, I had actually hoped something horrible would happen to her and the rest of ShadowClan for their betrayal, if only to wake them up to reality. And it did, even if it was too late by then. While I can't say much for Needletail after your statements, Twigpaw is complex. While not as conflicted as Violetshine, almost everyone thought she'd stay in SkyClan, but she did a 180 and joined ThunderClan again. Not to mention, even when she's sad, she sucks up and pretends to be happy despite her mind being split into two. She can be bitter, though, shown when she thought she and Hawkwing should've had a stronger bond than him and Violetshine, seeing as she found SkyClan. She feels guilty for having such thoughts. I believe her to be relatable, seeing as she strives toward being liked, while at the same time doing things at her own pace. I feel that she's matured quite a bit since Shattered Sky. She was once naive and sensitive, but now she's more practical and tells others they can't mope, while all the same encouraging them to do better If it's just personal preference out of certain characters and you can't see yourself liking Twigpaw, I get that, I do. I'm the same way when it comes to upbeat characters like her and Sparkpelt. Yes, there's more to Twigpaw than her optimism, and like I keep on saying, I actually liked her DN. The past two books, not so much, but that doesn't mean I didn't dislike her either. In fact, even in TAS, I was always neutral on her. Her personality and story arc just isn't one I've been all that invested in until now.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Nov 18, 2017 0:20:42 GMT -5
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Post by Sailor on Nov 22, 2017 10:37:17 GMT -5
Why do you like Minty and what makes you love Violetshine so much?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Nov 22, 2017 10:44:20 GMT -5
Why do you like Minty and what makes you love Violetshine so much? I thought Minty was cute, and I liked how she slowly started to accept Clan life while she was living with them. Other than that, I don't have a strong opinion on her. As for Violetshine, I just found her to be more interesting than Twigpaw, especially when it comes to her story arc.
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Post by Pixie on Nov 22, 2017 10:45:24 GMT -5
Why do you like Minty and what makes you love Violetshine so much? I thought Minty was cute, and I liked how she slowly started to accept Clan life while she was living with them. Other than that, I don't have a strong opinion on her. As for Violetshine, I just found her to be more interesting than Twigpaw, especially when it comes to her story arc. If you weren't comparing the two, would your opinions be any different?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Nov 22, 2017 11:29:37 GMT -5
I thought Minty was cute, and I liked how she slowly started to accept Clan life while she was living with them. Other than that, I don't have a strong opinion on her. As for Violetshine, I just found her to be more interesting than Twigpaw, especially when it comes to her story arc. If you weren't comparing the two, would your opinions be any different? Not really.
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