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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 15:44:31 GMT -5
I haven't seen these in awhile and I'm sort of bored right now, so why not?
RULES: No calling a cat a Sue or Stu. Please ask me how a feel about a certain cat before debating. No spamming. Don't post your own list on my thread. If you want me or someone else to change your mind, then create your own CMM thread to do so. It's okay to ask my opinion on cats we have similar opinions on, but I would appreciate it if you ask my opinion on a cat we have differing opinions on, otherwise it would kind of defeat the purpose of this thread. Please respect my opinion.
Love: Skystar One Eye Star Flower Squirrelflight Daisy Hollyleaf Needletail Violetshine Darktail
Like: Riverstar Shadowstar Windstar Gray Wing Turtle Tail Slate Quiet Rain Micah Heatherstar Shrewclaw Palebird Pinestar Goosefeather Crookedstar Bluestar Sandstorm Firestar Silverstream Millie Leafstar Sol Tawnypelt Feathertail Crowfeather Leafpool Berrynose Poppyfrost Jayfeather Lionblaze Cinderheart Minty Alderheart Sparkpelt Puddleshine
Neutral: Storm Thunderstar Slash Moth Flight Sandgorse Stormtail Blackstar Yellowfang Scourge Spottedleaf Mudclaw Dustpelt Rowanclaw Brightheart Sharpclaw Stick Bramblestar Spiderleg Nightcloud Tigerstar II Briarlight Blossomfall Bumblestripe Dovewing Ivypool Molewhisker Cherryfall Stormcloud Rain Hawkwing Pebbleshine Twigpaw
Dislike: Tom Mapleshade Raggedstar Foxheart Lizardstripe Brokenstar Rainflower Thistleclaw Tigerstar I Ashfur Breezepelt
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Post by Tas on Oct 27, 2017 15:48:52 GMT -5
Opinion of One Eye?
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 15:56:16 GMT -5
As you can probably tell, One Eye is in Love (you could also phrase it as "Why do you [love/like/etc...] [insert cat's name here]" instead). Anyway, I love him because I personally thought he was a great villain. His origins are still a mystery, although we know he cared very little for his own daughter Star Flower. He was manipulative and intimidating. In other words, I only love him as a villain.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 27, 2017 17:13:22 GMT -5
Ayyy, I'll ask 2.
As a fellow Berrynose liker, why do you like the short-tailed boi? :3
And for the differing opinions, why neutral on Brightheart?
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 17:29:44 GMT -5
Ayyy, I'll ask 2. As a fellow Berrynose liker, why do you like the short-tailed boi? :3 And for the differing opinions, why neutral on Brightheart? For Berrynose, I don't know why, but there's just something about this arrogance that weirdly amuses me. As for Brightheart, I was just okay with her at first, but then the second half of TNP and along and I've just been neutral on her ever since. She was jealous of Daisy almost literally the moment she first entered camp and was cold towards both her and Cloudtail instead of just talking out her feelings. Of course, not that Cloudtail and Daisy were any better, but Brightheart's part just bothered me the most. I've never been a fan of jealousy plots where no one communicates their feelings, so that's why. The subplot between them was completely pointless anyway, and really only served to give Leafpool another reason to leave with Crowfeather since Brightheart was spending so much time helping Cinderpelt. I wasn't a big fan of her as Jaypaw's mentor either. She clearly tried her best, but she also seemed to underestimate him while he was her apprentice. Other than that though, I like her relationship with Cloudtail, but I don't care much for her beyond that.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 27, 2017 17:31:13 GMT -5
Cool! That makes sense. Thanks!
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 17:39:57 GMT -5
Cool! That makes sense. Thanks! Sure thing. You don't want to try and change my mind on Brightheart though, or ask my opinion on anyone else?
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 27, 2017 17:48:49 GMT -5
Ehehehe. I'm not too good with changing minds, but I'll ask why you're neutral on Dustpelt?
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 27, 2017 17:49:27 GMT -5
Also. What's your opinion on Heathertail?
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 17:51:13 GMT -5
Ehehehe. I'm not too good with changing minds, but I'll ask why you're neutral on Dustpelt? Dustpelt's a good cat and his relationship with Ferncloud is sweet and I understand why he acted the way he did in DS, but even I'm honestly not too sure why I'm neutral on him.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 17:59:04 GMT -5
Also. What's your opinion on Heathertail? I'm neutral on her. Her friendship with Lionblaze was cute while it lasted, though they shouldn't have met up in the first place. It's a shame their friendship ended, though it was the right choice to at least stop their meetings since it was affecting Lionpaw's training and it very likely would've led to a romance later on. Afterwards though, I'm not sure whether to believe Heathertail's story or not. There's no reason why she would lie since she seemed understanding of Lionblaze's choice at the end of DR, but there's no reason why warriors would believe a kit of all things about the tunnels unless a patrol found it themselves afterwards or something, or Breezepaw was the one who told his Clan and Heatherpaw was just covering for him. Now regarding Heathertail herself, I'm not sure how to feel about her at all, though I think it would've helped if we'd seen more of her in the series.
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Post by Tas on Oct 27, 2017 18:22:06 GMT -5
Why do you only like Sol? he's my baby star child
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 18:26:07 GMT -5
Why do you only like Sol? he's my baby star child Sol is one of my favorite villains, but his backstory is pretty weak.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 18:28:38 GMT -5
why do you love needletail
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 18:49:14 GMT -5
why do you love needletail I love Needletail as a character. Her not caring for the rules or Clans is sort of understandable, not to mention she was still young when she rebelled. I also think Rain had something to do with her rebelling against ShadowClan, and Tree not being allowed to join because he wasn't Clanborn despite helping Needletail get home clearly didn't help either, since this is what fueled her hatred for the Clans and warrior code. Thankfully she eventually realized how wrong she was and tried to help as best she could, such as helping Mothwing and Alderheart when they went to RiverClan, willingly starving herself so the RiverClan prisoners would have enough to eat, and sacrificing herself to save Violetpaw. And if the DN preview is anything to go by, it seems as though she's trying to make things right again even in death, and she didn't seem all that bad when she was first introduced in TAQ either.
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Post by Tas on Oct 27, 2017 19:58:50 GMT -5
Why do you only like Sol? he's my baby star child Sol is one of my favorite villains, but his backstory is pretty weak. How is it weak? I'd put it as mysterious. His background is (almost identically) similar to Darktail's, and he does essentially the same things - just he did them first and Darktail went for the blunt, violent approach while Sol was more clever. He saw the Threes' power and tried to use them to control ShadowClan. Darktail pretty much just attacked them - and yet most people seem to like him better. They both started in the same way: joining SkyClan, doing something bad, and being kicked from the Clan. The only difference is that Sol moved on to the other Clans right away; Darktail attacked SkyClan first. Does this make Sol weaker? Not in my mind.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 20:15:44 GMT -5
Sol is one of my favorite villains, but his backstory is pretty weak. How is it weak? I'd put it as mysterious. His background is (almost identically) similar to Darktail's, and he does essentially the same things - just he did them first and Darktail went for the blunt, violent approach while Sol was more clever. He saw the Threes' power and tried to use them to control ShadowClan. Darktail pretty much just attacked them - and yet most people seem to like him better. They both started in the same way: joining SkyClan, doing something bad, and being kicked from the Clan. The only difference is that Sol moved on to the other Clans right away; Darktail attacked SkyClan first. Does this make Sol weaker? Not in my mind. Sol was lazy and impatient, and the only thing he really has going for him are his words. He genuinely wanted to join SkyClan whereas Darktail wanted to destroy them from the start. Sol heard about the Clan from his mother Cinders before she left him on the doorstep of a Twoleg, met Leafstar as an adult and helped her escape, and put SkyClan and Leafstar's kits in danger due to recklessness. It's different with Darktail because he knew exactly what he was doing. Sol became an antagonist simply because Leafstar didn't make him a warrior sooner, but Darktail became a villain in part thanks to his parents, but especially Smoke. They're not similar at all. The only thing they have in common is that they both wanted to destroy the Clans (which is hardly original for this series anyway) and took over ShadowClan for a brief time. I like Sol and I thought he was a good antagonist. That doesn't mean I have to like his backstory. Not only that, but he was only a brief antagonist anyway.
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Apricity
Bravelands is too slept on.
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Post by Apricity on Oct 27, 2017 20:43:43 GMT -5
Ooh, you love Star Flower too? I love her because she is so unique to anyone we've ever seen before. What's your opinion on her and do you think she had bad intentions? I do but I still love her for it. And I'm so sad One Eye didn't last long. ;( And because you said you appreciated asking about a cat we both have differing opinions on, how about Mapleshade? My second favorite villain next to Star Flower? I guess it's just because I feel bad for her. I think she didn't have a strong enough mentality to deal with her kits' death and everyone turning against her so she just went insane. Hence, why I'm neutral on Ashfur. Because he just snapped and hearing voices that told him that Squirrelflight hurt him and that he should get revenge. Mapleshade's make believe voices were her kits.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 20:59:00 GMT -5
Ooh, you love Star Flower too? I love her because she is so unique to anyone we've ever seen before. What's your opinion on her and do you think she had bad intentions? I do but I still love her for it. And I'm so sad One Eye didn't last long. ;( And because you said you appreciated asking about a cat we both have differing opinions on, how about Mapleshade? My second favorite villain next to Star Flower? I guess it's just because I feel bad for her. I think she didn't have a strong enough mentality to deal with her kits' death and everyone turning against her so she just went insane. Hence, why I'm neutral on Ashfur. Because he just snapped and hearing voices that told him that Squirrelflight hurt him and that he should get revenge. Mapleshade's make believe voices were her kits. Star Flower's intentions are questionable, but what's clear is that she loved her father. She had no reason to lie anymore, so I think she was likely telling the truth when she said she genuinely liked Thunder and tried her best to earn the trust of the Early Settlers afterwards and has been loyal to them ever since. What I find interesting about her is that we as humans are usually told how family is everything, and Star Flower shows how being too loyal to a parent can be a bad thing. As for Mapleshade, I don't mind her as a villain and her backstory is interesting (albiet nothing entirely original), but the way it was written is what ruins it for me. When I read MV, the narrative almost made it seem as though Mapleshade was supposed to be the victim and the other cats around her the bad guys. I understand she's a villain and of course she'd see herself as right, but the fact that only two characters show any sort of sympathy towards her while everyone else is a jerk after her secret is revealed is what makes it badly written. Her appearance in GC was understandable in order to make sense of how she and Goosefeather knew each other in CP, but I thought the way it was executed was poor. I think that's really the only time I had any sort of problem with her appearing in other books, and I like her as a villain just fine. It's mostly how her backstory was written is what bothers me and no amount of tragedy should excuse her actions. Also, Ashfur never heard any voices. Where did you hear about that? And I wouldn't classify Star Flower as a villain since she was never evil to begin with, just misguided.
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#FF55A3
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Apricity
Bravelands is too slept on.
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Post by Apricity on Oct 27, 2017 21:10:31 GMT -5
Ooh, you love Star Flower too? I love her because she is so unique to anyone we've ever seen before. What's your opinion on her and do you think she had bad intentions? I do but I still love her for it. And I'm so sad One Eye didn't last long. ;( And because you said you appreciated asking about a cat we both have differing opinions on, how about Mapleshade? My second favorite villain next to Star Flower? I guess it's just because I feel bad for her. I think she didn't have a strong enough mentality to deal with her kits' death and everyone turning against her so she just went insane. Hence, why I'm neutral on Ashfur. Because he just snapped and hearing voices that told him that Squirrelflight hurt him and that he should get revenge. Mapleshade's make believe voices were her kits. Star Flower's intentions are questionable, but what's clear is that she loved her father. She had no reason to lie anymore, so I think she was likely telling the truth when she said she genuinely liked Thunder and tried her best to earn the trust of the Early Settlers afterwards and has been loyal to them ever since. What I find interesting about her is that we as humans are usually told how family is everything, and Star Flower shows how being too loyal to a parent can be a bad thing. As for Mapleshade, I don't mind her as a villain and her backstory is interesting (albiet nothing entirely original), but the way it was written is what ruins it for me. When I read MV, the narrative almost made it seem as though Mapleshade was supposed to be the victim and the other cats around her the bad guys. I understand she's a villain and of course she'd see herself as right, but the fact that only two characters show any sort of sympathy towards her while everyone else is a jerk after her secret is revealed is what makes it badly written. Her appearance in GC was understandable in order to make sense of how she and Goosefeather knew each other in CP, but I thought the way it was executed was poor. I think that's really the only time I had any sort of problem with her appearing in other books, and I like her as a villain just fine. It's mostly how her backstory was written is what bothers me and no amount of tragedy should excuse her actions. Also, Ashfur never heard any voices. Where did you hear about that? And I wouldn't classify Star Flower as a villain since she was never evil to begin with, just misguided. Oh, the Ashfur and voices thing is just my personal headcanon, sorry that I didn't make that clear. XD And how do you know he didn't? o.o And the only way I can change my mind about Star Flower is a novella in her point of view which I would eat up so fast. But I think she was manipulating Clear Sky just like she did with Thunder so she be a leader's mate. That's why I would classify her as a villain, unless Erins' confirm otherwise.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 21:18:50 GMT -5
Star Flower's intentions are questionable, but what's clear is that she loved her father. She had no reason to lie anymore, so I think she was likely telling the truth when she said she genuinely liked Thunder and tried her best to earn the trust of the Early Settlers afterwards and has been loyal to them ever since. What I find interesting about her is that we as humans are usually told how family is everything, and Star Flower shows how being too loyal to a parent can be a bad thing. As for Mapleshade, I don't mind her as a villain and her backstory is interesting (albiet nothing entirely original), but the way it was written is what ruins it for me. When I read MV, the narrative almost made it seem as though Mapleshade was supposed to be the victim and the other cats around her the bad guys. I understand she's a villain and of course she'd see herself as right, but the fact that only two characters show any sort of sympathy towards her while everyone else is a jerk after her secret is revealed is what makes it badly written. Her appearance in GC was understandable in order to make sense of how she and Goosefeather knew each other in CP, but I thought the way it was executed was poor. I think that's really the only time I had any sort of problem with her appearing in other books, and I like her as a villain just fine. It's mostly how her backstory was written is what bothers me and no amount of tragedy should excuse her actions. Also, Ashfur never heard any voices. Where did you hear about that? And I wouldn't classify Star Flower as a villain since she was never evil to begin with, just misguided. Oh, the Ashfur and voices thing is just my personal headcanon, sorry that I didn't make that clear. XD And how do you know he didn't? o.o And the only way I can change my mind about Star Flower is a novella in her point of view which I would eat up so fast. But I think she was manipulating Clear Sky just like she did with Thunder so she be a leader's mate. That's why I would classify her as a villain, unless Erins' confirm otherwise. Unless it's stated otherwise, Ashfur didn't hear any voices. He was completely sane when the fire incident happened and even if it ever is confirmed, Vicky left the team months ago and at least as far as Kate is concerned, nothing outside the books should be taken as canon. As for Star Flower. It's the same thing. No where is it ever even implied that she was using Skystar just to become his mate and I'd say it's pretty clear (no pun intended) that she's a genuinely kind cat who was just misguided. And even if she was using him just to become a leader's mate, that still doesn't make her a villain, because she hasn't done anything malicious after One Eye's death.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 21:24:57 GMT -5
opinion on pre - ss needletail ? i'm just a big old needletail fangirl lol
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 21:31:22 GMT -5
opinion on pre - ss needletail ? i'm just a big old needletail fangirl lol I thought she was an interesting character even before SS, but I just didn't like her attitude for obvious reasons. She's clearly a good cat at heart and has her moments of kindness, but was just horribly misguided. I feel like if Tree had been allowed to join ShadowClan, Needletail would've at least be less rebellious like she was in canon.
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Post by ApplesnapOfStormclan on Oct 27, 2017 21:38:06 GMT -5
Why like Jayfeather? To me hes poorly written, as if they just added things as they went along just to make him special. He also started the terrible trend of medicine cats HAVE to have powers or a special destiny.
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#FF55A3
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Apricity
Bravelands is too slept on.
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Post by Apricity on Oct 27, 2017 21:38:22 GMT -5
Oh, the Ashfur and voices thing is just my personal headcanon, sorry that I didn't make that clear. XD And how do you know he didn't? o.o And the only way I can change my mind about Star Flower is a novella in her point of view which I would eat up so fast. But I think she was manipulating Clear Sky just like she did with Thunder so she be a leader's mate. That's why I would classify her as a villain, unless Erins' confirm otherwise. Unless it's stated otherwise, Ashfur didn't hear any voices. He was completely sane when the fire incident happened and even if it ever is confirmed, Vicky left the team months ago and at least as far as Kate is concerned, nothing outside the books should be taken as canon. As for Star Flower. It's the same thing. No where is it ever even implied that she was using Skystar just to become his mate and I'd say it's pretty clear (no pun intended) that she's a genuinely kind cat who was just misguided. And even if she was using him just to become a leader's mate, that still doesn't make her a villain, because she hasn't done anything malicious after One Eye's death. A headcanon is just a cool thing to think about, I know it's probably not canon. And about the sane thing, I remember seeing a video of someone saying that Ashfur was suffering from something I can't remember the name of. It had to do with all the horrible things he's been through, like his mother's death and his home being destroyed. He had no one that could support him through these times and when Squirrelflight rejected him, that was the last straw. Unless stated otherwise can go for Star Flower too.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 21:43:28 GMT -5
Why like Jayfeather? To me hes poorly written, as if they just added things as they went along just to make him special. He also started the terrible trend of medicine cats HAVE to have powers or a special destiny. I like Jayfeather because of his personality (although I know it's not for everyone) and I thought his powers were interesting. Also, Jayfeather actually didn't set off the trend of medicine cats having special powers and destinies. That was technically Leafpool.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 21:46:14 GMT -5
Unless it's stated otherwise, Ashfur didn't hear any voices. He was completely sane when the fire incident happened and even if it ever is confirmed, Vicky left the team months ago and at least as far as Kate is concerned, nothing outside the books should be taken as canon. As for Star Flower. It's the same thing. No where is it ever even implied that she was using Skystar just to become his mate and I'd say it's pretty clear (no pun intended) that she's a genuinely kind cat who was just misguided. And even if she was using him just to become a leader's mate, that still doesn't make her a villain, because she hasn't done anything malicious after One Eye's death. A headcanon is just a cool thing to think about, I know it's probably not canon. And about the sane thing, I remember seeing a video of someone saying that Ashfur was suffering from something I can't remember the name of. It had to do with all the horrible things he's been through, like his mother's death and his home being destroyed. He had no one that could support him through these times and when Squirrelflight rejected him, that was the last straw. Unless stated otherwise can go for Star Flower too. But that's the thing—it's a headcanon. I'm sorry if I seem rude, but if you're going to be debating with me, please refrain from using headcanons in a debate unless you can find actual evidence from the books themselves that supports or at least hints at it.
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#FF55A3
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Apricity
Bravelands is too slept on.
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Post by Apricity on Oct 27, 2017 21:48:53 GMT -5
A headcanon is just a cool thing to think about, I know it's probably not canon. And about the sane thing, I remember seeing a video of someone saying that Ashfur was suffering from something I can't remember the name of. It had to do with all the horrible things he's been through, like his mother's death and his home being destroyed. He had no one that could support him through these times and when Squirrelflight rejected him, that was the last straw. Unless stated otherwise can go for Star Flower too. But that's the thing—it's a headcanon. I'm sorry if I seem rude, but if you're going to be debating with me, please refrain from using headcanons in a debate unless you can find actual evidence from the books themselves that supports or at least hints at it. Sorry. D:
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2017 22:13:52 GMT -5
But that's the thing—it's a headcanon. I'm sorry if I seem rude, but if you're going to be debating with me, please refrain from using headcanons in a debate unless you can find actual evidence from the books themselves that supports or at least hints at it. Sorry. D: I'm not mad or anything, I'm just saying that using headcanons in a debate may be considered as having poor debating skills unless you provide evidence to support it. You can still try to change my mind if you want, just be more mindful of this in the future.
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Post by Windspirit14 on Oct 28, 2017 9:16:22 GMT -5
Dislike Tigerstar I?
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