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Post by Maplestone360 on Jun 1, 2017 19:10:52 GMT -5
If Darktail gets to survive, why can't Needletail?
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Post by Blizzardkit on Jun 1, 2017 19:46:07 GMT -5
How'd Needletail "die" again? Death by water?
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Post by Maplestone360 on Jun 1, 2017 19:52:24 GMT -5
Darktail took Needletail and Violetpaw to the lake after he found out about Violetpaw's poppy seed plan, and he was going to hurt Needletail to punish Violetpaw. While they were there, Needletail fought against some of Darktail's rogues to keep them away from Violetpaw so she could run away, and Needletail was believed to have died in the fight. At least I'm pretty sure that's what happened.
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Post by Blizzardkit on Jun 1, 2017 20:13:11 GMT -5
Did anyone find the body? (sorry, I read the book right when it came out, now I forget everything)
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Post by BluegazeTufani on Jun 2, 2017 0:16:49 GMT -5
Did anyone find the body? (sorry, I read the book right when it came out, now I forget everything) If they did, it wasn't mentioned, though I think a cat or so noted that her body wasn't found.
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Post by Maplestone360 on Jun 2, 2017 12:22:15 GMT -5
Did anyone find the body? (sorry, I read the book right when it came out, now I forget everything) If they did, it wasn't mentioned, though I think a cat or so noted that her body wasn't found. No bodies were found. And if there isn't a body, they aren't dead. And in some cases, even if there is a body, they still aren't dead.
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Post by moonwisker on Jun 2, 2017 14:11:54 GMT -5
No but guessing from past events in the book when some Shadowclan cats dissappered from the "Kin" it states they nevered made it to Thunderclan. Since no bodies of those cats where found and we know the Darktail tried to drown Needletail we can assume that the missing Shadowclan cats where drowned and the bodies sunk to the bottom of the lake. That way they will never be found. It was most likely his way of trying to kill Starclan too since he knows that when a cat dies the clan sits vigil for them. He might not have known why the sit from them when they died but he knew about the Clan cats belief in Starclan.
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Coon cat
Constant vigilance!
Pronouns: She/her/she-cat
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Post by Coon cat on Jun 3, 2017 7:10:11 GMT -5
Maybe something having to do with Onestar and where he "goes". That would be interesting. I think there might also be more Tigerheart/Dovewing stuff. Oh yeah, and maybe Darktail - wait is he dead or alive? If hes alive though, will maybe come back or something? I don't think there done with him yet. And purdy too might also play a big part in this. Even though hes just a dead Un-clanborn. He is still one of my favorite characters XD.
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Post by brindlewing on Jun 6, 2017 22:09:06 GMT -5
maybe needletail is still alive and is being held prisoner and abused by the kin
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Post by Tas on Jun 7, 2017 19:59:26 GMT -5
Have you read Shattered Sky? Because the kin is pretty much gone - it's really just Sleekwhisker, and they were kind of exiled.
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Post by Tas on Jun 7, 2017 20:00:21 GMT -5
If Darktail gets to survive, why can't Needletail? Because Needletail sacrificed herself for Violetpaw. You can't pass that up with the "she wasn't really dead".
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Post by Arctic on Jun 9, 2017 7:43:32 GMT -5
I like Alderheart and Twigpaw going to SkyClan, that would make so much sense. I also really hope Puddleshine plays a big part in Tigerheart's Shadow, I like him as a character. But I also want to see that at some point Violetpaw completely snaps because of all she's been through. Kinda like Hollyleaf. I also think there will be a rivalry between Alderheart and Hawkwing. Oh and one of Cinderheart's kits should be called 'Purdykit' because Purdykit.
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Post by Maplestone360 on Jun 9, 2017 16:47:35 GMT -5
If Darktail gets to survive, why can't Needletail? Because Needletail sacrificed herself for Violetpaw. You can't pass that up with the "she wasn't really dead". I know but Alderheart's reaction to her death was pathetic and I'm mad
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Post by Tas on Jun 9, 2017 16:52:13 GMT -5
True ...
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Post by briarfrost on Jun 13, 2017 15:00:09 GMT -5
While I do think Needletail dying would be a satisfying conclusion to her character arc, I hope she isn't, she redeemed herself quite a lot in my eyes, and she's interesting.Beyond that, though, I just don't think she's dead. Her body was never found, after all. Hollyleaf had the exact same thing happen to her.
Darktail, I'm less sure on. I feel like he was too big an antagonist to be over like that, but drowning AND fighting at the same time is a harder thing to escape than just a fight. But if he's dead, I don't know how he can keep antagonizing unless they pull some Dark Forest stuff again, which I'm not keen on. I admit I'm much more interested in seeing how the Clans handle SkyClan's return and readjust--I imagine there will have to be a lot of re-evaluating of laws (or maybe I'm just hoping for that).
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Post by Fire the Watcher of the vale on Jun 13, 2017 23:49:01 GMT -5
No but guessing from past events in the book when some Shadowclan cats dissappered from the "Kin" it states they nevered made it to Thunderclan. Since no bodies of those cats where found and we know the Darktail tried to drown Needletail we can assume that the missing Shadowclan cats where drowned and the bodies sunk to the bottom of the lake. That way they will never be found. It was most likely his way of trying to kill Starclan too since he knows that when a cat dies the clan sits vigil for them. He might not have known why the sit from them when they died but he knew about the Clan cats belief in Starclan. That wouldn't really work though because dead bodies float. a buildup of gases from tissue deterioration causes the body to be less dense than water, causing the body to float.
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Post by moonwisker on Jun 14, 2017 11:12:46 GMT -5
Yes but if you think about it in terms of a science the fur on their bodies stays heavy in the water making sure the don't come back up to the surface. I also believe they had similar things happen with cats in other books drowning and not coming back up to the surface of the water. I'm not talking about when Flametail drowned in leaf bare either cause of the ice his body was trapped under the water.
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Sagekit
Im kinda in agony right now cause of Darkest Night not coming out til November.
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Post by Sagekit on Jun 14, 2017 16:34:40 GMT -5
Hey everyone! This is my first post! Anyway, I wanted to say that I think Alderheart will go to skyclan to serve as medicine cat, although I doubt that Alderheart will stay in skyclan due to his parents and sister (yes, I just mentioned Sparkpelt, even though I feel like she no longer is close to ALderheart) being in Thunderclan. For the big fans that are looking up predictions for the next book because they want to see if anyone else thinks they will end up in the same clan (I know there are some of ya out there. I was literally doing that about 10 minutes ago, when I noticed this was the frequent place to see people talking about the next book, which is all I've wanted to do all day today, and all
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Sagekit
Im kinda in agony right now cause of Darkest Night not coming out til November.
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Post by Sagekit on Jun 14, 2017 16:52:38 GMT -5
Okay, this is my first post, so go easy on me! Okay, let's get to it (cue the rocky music)! I am 99 percent sure that we will see Violetpaw go to Skyclan, but what about Twigpaw? I honestly wish we could have gotten the point of view from Twigpaw in the last chapter, because I felt that she was the one that I was not sure about for whether or not she will go join Skyclan. If we do see Twigpaw go to Skyclan, I think that we will also see Alderheart go there. I think he will stay and train a medicine cat (who knows, that cat could be Twigpaw), but I don't think that he will stay there. I definitely want to see Twigpaw and Alderheart go to the same clan, because I have become a true fan of their friendship (though I would prefer it being looked at as more of a brother and sister relationship). I can't believe Im saying this part, but I think I prefer it over the Blamblestar and Squirrelflight relationship in TNP and the beginning of POT. If Erin separates these two, I will be soooo disappointed... I wish I sent a letter to her when she was writing Darkest Night, because I feel like they shouldn't be separated after their father-and-daughter relationship when she was a kit. Don't let me down Erin!
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Sagekit
Im kinda in agony right now cause of Darkest Night not coming out til November.
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Post by Sagekit on Jun 14, 2017 16:53:54 GMT -5
OOps sorry for my accidental first post!
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Sagekit
Im kinda in agony right now cause of Darkest Night not coming out til November.
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Post by Sagekit on Jun 14, 2017 16:56:20 GMT -5
By the way, can somebody explain what this bank account is? Is this real money or something? :I
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Post by moonwisker on Jun 14, 2017 17:20:26 GMT -5
sorry don't understand it much my self maybe try to ask a mod or in the forum part for questions
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Post by Fire the Watcher of the vale on Jun 14, 2017 18:21:56 GMT -5
the bank thing works like this: You make money by posting, you can put it in the bank and make interest, every week you get wages, which are based off of how many posts you've made in that past week, and you can buy stocks, which is pretty much you have a chance of winning or losing your money. You can gift money to other members.
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Post by Fire the Watcher of the vale on Jun 15, 2017 23:11:12 GMT -5
Yes but if you think about it in terms of a science the fur on their bodies stays heavy in the water making sure the don't come back up to the surface. I also believe they had similar things happen with cats in other books drowning and not coming back up to the surface of the water. I'm not talking about when Flametail drowned in leaf bare either cause of the ice his body was trapped under the water. yeah, initially, but eventually the body would begin decomposing and they'd float. it might take a day or two, but especially in water, they'd decompose rather quickly. all it takes is the body to cool down and bacteria to set in. unless they were snagged on something underwater, they'd float up to the surface and stay there for a good while. I think it'd be more likely for them to stash the body somewhere and leave them for the crows.
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Post by moonwisker on Jun 16, 2017 11:17:31 GMT -5
true but in the book Violetpaw said she heard Darktail and her mentor heading towards the lake when her mentor was going to leave and head to Thunderclan.
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Post by BluegazeTufani on Jun 16, 2017 21:18:29 GMT -5
true but in the book Violetpaw said she heard Darktail and her mentor heading towards the lake when her mentor was going to leave and head to Thunderclan. It's possible that he drowned Dawnpelt, but then dragged her body somewhere hidden to be food for other animals. Mabe he found a fox den and let her there for them to eat? Or he found a pack of dogs and left the body for them to eat? The possibilities are endless. (Well, okay, maybe not endless, but there are a lot)
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Post by moonwisker on Jun 17, 2017 10:21:09 GMT -5
Yes but I do believe the way they died was drowning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 10:47:38 GMT -5
Because Needletail sacrificed herself for Violetpaw. You can't pass that up with the "she wasn't really dead". I know but Alderheart's reaction to her death was pathetic and I'm madAll it was is this ''She was a brave cat'' SERIOUSLY???
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Post by Tas on Jun 18, 2017 17:55:25 GMT -5
Exactly ^
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Post by Sparrowflower on Jun 19, 2017 12:56:58 GMT -5
Hang on... There's still three books left. This is far from over. There HAS to be some sort of titanic battle coming up, but with who? It's not going to just be three books of "Where is SkyClan gonna live, and who is their new medicine cat?" Also, there are arguably not enough cats for SkyClan to justify taking up an entire territory at this point. Will there be a mass exodus from one of the bigger clans (ThunderClan is awfully crowded right now) to rebuild SkyClan? Or will they simply join up with the other clans? That seems to go against Firestar's Quest's idea that the clan wouldn't want to separate. Any thoughts on Skyclan?
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