#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
|
Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 25, 2017 0:21:43 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion again. Yay! Seriously though, I really don't get the hate on this cat. I'm not really surprised with her personality. Whereas Twigpaw was loved and well-cared for by most of her Clanmates and had an excellent relationship with Lilyheart, Violetpaw never really felt loved. The closest thing she's come to having a friend at least before she returned to ShadowClan is Needletail, and even that relationship has become questionable since Needletail has manipulated her at times. She was even about to go with Rowanstar, Tigerheart, and Tawnypelt to the Gathering until Needletail convinced her to stay with her by saying they were kin, similar to how Sleekwhisker and Juniperclaw convinced Dawnpelt to stay because her kits were all she had left. I can also see why Violetpaw doesn't seem to miss her parents, at least not as much as Twigpaw does. They never knew them and for all Violetpaw knows, her mother abandoned them, which likely isn't the case, but still. Twigpaw refused to give up at least until she went to the place where Alderheart and Needletail found her and Violetpaw, but Violetpaw gave up on her parents long ago. Just because they're littermates doesn't mean they have to think alike. Violetpaw has also been shown to resent ThunderClan for separating her from her sister and has been fed up with other cats making choices for her. Add to the fact that said sister is in a different Clan and felt betrayed because she'd rather stay with ThunderClan than be with her, and you have a rather cynical young cat with abandonment issues who's not even a warrior yet. In fact, Violetpaw is only about 9.5 moons at the end of TAS. Twigpaw leaving her was her breaking point, and now the only cat she feels she can really rely on is Needletail. *SPOILERS for Shattered Sky* As for attacking Twigpaw in SS, it was a battle. However, it should be noted that she was hesitating until Needletail talked her into it. Am I excusing her actions? I'm not trying to, but I just think the fandom is being a little too harsh on her.
|
|
Bisexual
#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
Name Colour
ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
|
Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 25, 2017 0:34:00 GMT -5
I think there are more who like her over disliking her. It's quite funny considering some hate Ivypool and Violetpaw is almost like her.
Besides, she can be smart on occasions and have moments of clarity. Like Ivypool, she's being selfish and refusing to understand the other side. She would be happier in ThunderClan and if she willing went with Twigpaw, then she would learn it was Needletail and ShadowClan who initiated the two being separated. However, since she has shown moments of clarity, I have less sympathy because she should and sometimes realizes the situation she's in. She's being the victim, and in fact, she's playing it more than Ivypool did imo. She's had several chances to make her life better and acknowledged those chances in some way. Instead, she choose not to.
I think she and the rest of ShadowClan should be punished in some way for her actions. Whether it be by the law and Rowanstar or by karma. Other characters in her position have been punished in some way, even with both law and karma, so I don't understand why she gets a free pass with this.
|
|
|
Post by Dancing_Totodile on Mar 25, 2017 0:49:07 GMT -5
I don't really know how to feel about her now. I'll decide later on.
|
|
|
Post by pastelpills on Mar 25, 2017 4:49:10 GMT -5
I'm neutral-dislike on her. Imo, she can be really annoying sometimes, she isn't willing to listen to anything and is a large hypocrite plus a brat to her sister sometimes.
|
|
|
Post by Alpha on Mar 25, 2017 6:57:23 GMT -5
I've hated Violetpaw since her first POV. She's too much like Ivypool-- a character I dislike quite a bit.
Same thing with Twigpaw. She's too much like Dovewing.
|
|
|
Post by *Faith* on Mar 25, 2017 14:23:32 GMT -5
I've always liked Violetpaw. None of what happened is her fault.
Speaking of which, I want to know what will happen when Hawkwing finds out that one of his daughters is with his enemy. Will he try to rescue her?
|
|
|
Post by Darkfang ☾ on Mar 25, 2017 14:40:49 GMT -5
I like Violetpaw too. I think she's just been lead astray slightly by Needletail. Really I just think she's vulnerable which is why Needletail can easily manipulate her. Violetpaw's a good cat who means well - she's just confused and had a poor upbringing. It must have been incredibly hard for her to be separated from her sister so soon after losing her mother.
|
|
|
Post by wheeledwarrior on Mar 25, 2017 15:42:21 GMT -5
I understand why she acts the way she does, but at the same time I'm not particularly fond of her. I just wish she was stronger. If she feels lonely and abandoned in the Clan that raised her, why not try to make some more friends within the Clan (I can think of some cats, such as Puddleshine, Dawnpelt, Tigerheart, and Tawnypelt, would be more than willing to make her feel welcome)? Why does she have to only gravitate towards Needletail?
And about her bad upbringing, why not do something to try and change it? Why not stand up for herself when Pinenose insists that Lionkit isn't her sister, or even call Pinenose out on how harsh she's being (I can think of other cats have done that, and the ones that are causing the problem have usually reformed after realizing the damage they've done)? If that doesn't work, why not gravitate toward someone else (maybe another queen or former queen)?
On that note, why is she manipulated so easily? I get that she's young and doesn't have many cats that she's close to. However, other young cats have avoided being manipulated or have seen through the manipulation, as well as dealing with their own issues. So why can't she?
I just feel like there's so many things Violetpaw could have tried before turning against everyone, and yet she didn't. So it's hard to like her character, because it's hard to feel sympathy.
|
|
|
Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 25, 2017 16:02:12 GMT -5
Yeah but Ivypool never outright attacked Dovewing, her own sister. Plus at least Ivy and Dove had a closer kin relationship than Violet and Twig ever had, and even now.
I'm neutral on Violetpaw as of right now, I think she has plenty of time to be redeemed or maybe the damage is already done, who knows. I just wish she would think more for herself for once, instead of being a follower.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 20:17:21 GMT -5
Yeah but Ivypool never outright attacked Dovewing, her own sister. Plus at least Ivy and Dove had a closer kin relationship than Violet and Twig ever had, and even now. I'm neutral on Violetpaw as of right now, I think she has plenty of time to be redeemed or maybe the damage is already done, who knows. I just wish she would think more for herself for once, instead of being a follower. Didn't Violetpaw reject Twigpaw also? I know Ivypool was a brat but she never rejected Dovewing. That's what made me dislike Violetpaw. She's a brat. I feel like she got this attitude from Needletail and I don't like her either, although she does have an interesting POV.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 20:53:06 GMT -5
Violetpaw is a character who can choose from two different paths; the next female villain/depdent lackey on Needletail or the second cat of the Prophecy whom overcomes her struggles and finds her own identity. I like that element of her character; she could turn either way. I understand why some don't like her though.
|
|
|
Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Mar 25, 2017 22:57:27 GMT -5
You can't compare her to Ivypool though? Ivypool had parents and kin who loved her. It's not like she was all alone. She had envy towards her sister, but she always had her mother and father. She had her Clanmates. Violetpaw did not. Her mother is most likely dead, her father is wherever, and the only kin she ever had is in another Clan--surrounded by cats who love/care for her. Violetpaw did not have that in ShadowClan. She was treated like a burden Rowanstar took on because of the prophecy.
While her personality with Ivypool may be similar, their situations are not alike in the slightest.
Also, attacked Twigpaw? She barely did anything. All she did was tackle her.
|
|
Bisexual
#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
Name Colour
ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
|
Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 25, 2017 23:00:42 GMT -5
Yet again, she had chances to make her life better, realized it some way, but chose not to. At this point, she's purposely being victim.
|
|
|
Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Mar 25, 2017 23:01:58 GMT -5
Yet again, she had chances to make her life better, realized it some way, but chose not to. At this point, she's purposely being victim. Then you don't understand what emotional manipulation/abuse does to someone. This is exactly what is happening with Violetpaw. And she has had this ingrained in her from a fairly young age.
|
|
Bisexual
#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
Name Colour
ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
|
Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 25, 2017 23:44:30 GMT -5
Yet again, she had chances to make her life better, realized it some way, but chose not to. At this point, she's purposely being victim. Then you don't understand what emotional manipulation/abuse does to someone. This is exactly what is happening with Violetpaw. And she has had this ingrained in her from a fairly young age. I kindly ask you not assume what I understand and don't understand.
|
|
|
Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Mar 25, 2017 23:57:52 GMT -5
Then you don't understand what emotional manipulation/abuse does to someone. This is exactly what is happening with Violetpaw. And she has had this ingrained in her from a fairly young age. I kindly ask you not assume what I understand and don't understand. Easy there. I wasn't trying to be rude. So I apologize if it came off that way. However, this is exactly what is happening to Violetpaw. While she may know right from wrong, she's been emotionally manipulated. Those who are manipulated and/or abused tend to stay with those who are doing it to them. It's psychological, and even if they may want to leave, they can't. I came from an abusive relationship with an ex, and there are many others who face the same issues (whether or not it's romantic).
|
|
Bisexual
#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
Name Colour
ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
|
Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 26, 2017 0:20:01 GMT -5
I kindly ask you not assume what I understand and don't understand. Easy there. I wasn't trying to be rude. So I apologize if it came off that way. However, this is exactly what is happening to Violetpaw. While she may know right from wrong, she's been emotionally manipulated. Those who are manipulated and/or abused tend to stay with those who are doing it to them. It's psychological, and even if they may want to leave, they can't. I came from an abusive relationship with an ex, and there are many others who face the same issues (whether or not it's romantic). Ah, alright. I apologize for getting a bit hasty.
However, there are cases where they do break off from the relationship and better themselves. I, too, have faced abusive relationships and have seen them. I have gotten out of them or am trying to. I do understand it's psychological, but not all stay because they can't. Breezepelt in a way got out of it or away from it (or at least the failed attempt with the DK) while his mother has not. Blossomfall is a character I'm neutral on with how she dealt with the abuse and yet apparently that's all "fine" now. Considering the experiences from reading, seeing, and being, I am more sympathetic to those who try to better themselves and/or try to improve the situation. As for those who acknowledge it's an abusive situation, but appear to refuse, then I don't find it as acceptable. You can understand why a character is the way they are, however it does not excuse their actions, only explains them. It's why I don't excuse Crowfeather, Nightcloud, Ivypool, Breezepelt, Blossomfall, and Violetpaw on a lot of their poor choices. I understand why they did them and some of the characters I still like, but I just don't have much sympathy when chances are presented and missed on more than a few occasions. I understand my view is harsh and some react to abuse different than others, but I draw a line at some point. Now, if she was told that if she left she would be killed, I would be more sympathetic, however we don't have that information yet.
|
|
|
Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Mar 26, 2017 0:38:41 GMT -5
Ah, alright. I apologize for getting a bit hasty. However, there are cases where they do break off from the relationship and better themselves. I, too, have faced abusive relationships and have seen them. I have gotten out of them or am trying to. I do understand it's psychological, but not all stay because they can't. Breezepelt in a way got out of it or away from it (or at least the failed attempt with the DK) while his mother has not. Blossomfall is a character I'm neutral on with how she dealt with the abuse and yet apparently that's all "fine" now. Considering the experiences from reading, seeing, and being, I am more sympathetic to those who try to better themselves and/or try to improve the situation. As for those who acknowledge it's an abusive situation, but appear to refuse, then I don't find it as acceptable. You can understand why a character is the way they are, however it does not excuse their actions, only explains them. It's why I don't excuse Crowfeather, Nightcloud, Ivypool, Breezepelt, Blossomfall, and Violetpaw on a lot of their poor choices. I understand why they did them and some of the characters I still like, but I just don't have much sympathy when chances are presented and missed on more than a few occasions. I understand my view is harsh and some react to abuse different than others, but I draw a line at some point. Now, if she was told that if she left she would be killed, I would be more sympathetic, however we don't have that information yet. Nah it's cool. I should've worded it more clearly, my bad. I understand your points. But you have to remember that those cats didn't change until they were much older. Violetpaw is very young yet. She has time to change still--and whether or not she will is something we won't know for a while. Crowfeather, Nightcloud, and Breezepelt haven't changed in the slightest. And while Breezepelt may have kits now, it doesn't mean he's different. Not until we see this for ourselves in the books. Blossomfall redeemed herself when she chose to fight for her Clan instead of the Dark Forest--however her situation was different than Violetpaw's. She still had her Clan, her brother, and friends. Plus she had been raised lovingly. Millie only changed after Briarlight's injury. Ivypool, I agree, was annoying during her quarrel with Dovewing. However you also have to remember that during this time period, her sister was suddenly getting all this attention. Ivypool had no idea why, and it's honestly Lionblaze and Jayfeather's fault Ivypool even got tricked into going to the Dark Forest. She didn't know Hawkfrost, and when they met it seemed very StarClan like. She tried to leave the Dark Forest as well, but no matter what she did she woke up there. At that point, she did what she could to survive. In the end she remained loyal to her Clan, and once Dovewing had told her the deal with all the attention she received (having powers), she was fine with her. I honestly understand Ivypool's jealousy at first, because she didn't understand why her sister was so special. And Dovewing distanced herself from her because of the prophecy and her powers. So of course Ivypool was going to feel a bit of resentment towards her sister at first. But they worked all of that out once she learned what the actual situation was. At the end of the day, Ivypool isn't perfect, but she has worked hard to redeem herself and make up for her part in the Dark Forest. Violetpaw is different than the cats you listed. Her situation is different. She has absolutely no family. Twigpaw, yes, but she was taken from her abruptly and that was traumatizing enough. Then you traumatize her further by throwing her in a Clan with strangers, and not even friendly ones at that. They didn't care about her, Pinenose even let Violetpaw stare aimlessly at a wall in the nursery--practically becoming almost mute and completely out of it. It wasn't until Twigpaw saw her sister in that state, that Violetpaw was able to snap out of it. Loneliness, rejection, and abandonment does horrible things to one's mind. Violetpaw has had to endure this her entire life. Twigpaw has not. It makes sense for Violetpaw to be the way she is. Honestly, if she was all hunkey durey despite all of that, it would be horrible writing on the Erin's part. Her current actions are entirely reasonable with what she has been through. Are they wrong? Yes. But does it make sense that she's this way? Yes, it most certainly does. And it also doesn't make her a horrible cat like Needletail, Rain, etc. Unlike them, she has legit reasons for being how she is. She is only this way because of Needletail emotionally abusing her and using her. And if you look to any child who is faced in similar situations, you will see an easy parallel to Violetpaw. I honestly think Violetpaw is still young yet. There is a lot more time for her to change, and she's really no different than an abused child. I think that if Hawkwing really is her father, that she will eventually realize that Needletail does not care for her like she thinks she does. Tl;dr Violetpaw is not horrible. Her actions make sense, even if they are wrong. The cats listed above had entirely different scenarios. Violetpaw has plenty of time to change, and come to her senses.
|
|
Bisexual
#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
Name Colour
ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
|
Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 26, 2017 0:57:04 GMT -5
I agree she is not horrible, as I only dislike her. She is at a point where she can be redeemed and on other threads, I've said that's fine. It also has to do with someone's exposure and reaction. For example, I was either taken out and shown that you can leave an abusive relationship and have applied and am applying it while someone may not have and feel that dependency. She does have reasons why she acts in such a way, but again, it's never excused characters in the past and it shouldn't excuse her. She's been offered the position I was in and didn't take it, she's also had the chance to leave it on her own accord. Because I've applied my experiences, I see Violetpaw in the wrong for making the wrong choices when she's been shown to have intelligence. I actually think she was more intelligent than Ivypool at this age.
I understand you points, however I can't bring myself to feel much of anything besides dislike and wondering: What are you doing? It would be unrealistic for her to act happy, however I also think if it was done correctly, it could be realistic. I have seen some portrayals of characters being abused and blow it off in attempts to make their life away from it better. At the same time, some also act in such ways to prevent others from finding out. I don't really see us changing the other's opinions. Agree to disagree?
|
|
|
Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 26, 2017 1:37:01 GMT -5
Ah, alright. I apologize for getting a bit hasty. However, there are cases where they do break off from the relationship and better themselves. I, too, have faced abusive relationships and have seen them. I have gotten out of them or am trying to. I do understand it's psychological, but not all stay because they can't. Breezepelt in a way got out of it or away from it (or at least the failed attempt with the DK) while his mother has not. Blossomfall is a character I'm neutral on with how she dealt with the abuse and yet apparently that's all "fine" now. Considering the experiences from reading, seeing, and being, I am more sympathetic to those who try to better themselves and/or try to improve the situation. As for those who acknowledge it's an abusive situation, but appear to refuse, then I don't find it as acceptable. You can understand why a character is the way they are, however it does not excuse their actions, only explains them. It's why I don't excuse Crowfeather, Nightcloud, Ivypool, Breezepelt, Blossomfall, and Violetpaw on a lot of their poor choices. I understand why they did them and some of the characters I still like, but I just don't have much sympathy when chances are presented and missed on more than a few occasions. I understand my view is harsh and some react to abuse different than others, but I draw a line at some point. Now, if she was told that if she left she would be killed, I would be more sympathetic, however we don't have that information yet. Nah it's cool. I should've worded it more clearly, my bad. I understand your points. But you have to remember that those cats didn't change until they were much older. Violetpaw is very young yet. She has time to change still--and whether or not she will is something we won't know for a while. Crowfeather, Nightcloud, and Breezepelt haven't changed in the slightest. And while Breezepelt may have kits now, it doesn't mean he's different. Not until we see this for ourselves in the books. Blossomfall redeemed herself when she chose to fight for her Clan instead of the Dark Forest--however her situation was different than Violetpaw's. She still had her Clan, her brother, and friends. Plus she had been raised lovingly. Millie only changed after Briarlight's injury. Ivypool, I agree, was annoying during her quarrel with Dovewing. However you also have to remember that during this time period, her sister was suddenly getting all this attention. Ivypool had no idea why, and it's honestly Lionblaze and Jayfeather's fault Ivypool even got tricked into going to the Dark Forest. She didn't know Hawkfrost, and when they met it seemed very StarClan like. She tried to leave the Dark Forest as well, but no matter what she did she woke up there. At that point, she did what she could to survive. In the end she remained loyal to her Clan, and once Dovewing had told her the deal with all the attention she received (having powers), she was fine with her. I honestly understand Ivypool's jealousy at first, because she didn't understand why her sister was so special. And Dovewing distanced herself from her because of the prophecy and her powers. So of course Ivypool was going to feel a bit of resentment towards her sister at first. But they worked all of that out once she learned what the actual situation was. At the end of the day, Ivypool isn't perfect, but she has worked hard to redeem herself and make up for her part in the Dark Forest. Violetpaw is different than the cats you listed. Her situation is different. She has absolutely no family. Twigpaw, yes, but she was taken from her abruptly and that was traumatizing enough. Then you traumatize her further by throwing her in a Clan with strangers, and not even friendly ones at that. They didn't care about her, Pinenose even let Violetpaw stare aimlessly at a wall in the nursery--practically becoming almost mute and completely out of it. It wasn't until Twigpaw saw her sister in that state, that Violetpaw was able to snap out of it. Loneliness, rejection, and abandonment does horrible things to one's mind. Violetpaw has had to endure this her entire life. Twigpaw has not. It makes sense for Violetpaw to be the way she is. Honestly, if she was all hunkey durey despite all of that, it would be horrible writing on the Erin's part. Her current actions are entirely reasonable with what she has been through. Are they wrong? Yes. But does it make sense that she's this way? Yes, it most certainly does. And it also doesn't make her a horrible cat like Needletail, Rain, etc. Unlike them, she has legit reasons for being how she is. She is only this way because of Needletail emotionally abusing her and using her. And if you look to any child who is faced in similar situations, you will see an easy parallel to Violetpaw. I honestly think Violetpaw is still young yet. There is a lot more time for her to change, and she's really no different than an abused child. I think that if Hawkwing really is her father, that she will eventually realize that Needletail does not care for her like she thinks she does. Tl;dr Violetpaw is not horrible. Her actions make sense, even if they are wrong. The cats listed above had entirely different scenarios. Violetpaw has plenty of time to change, and come to her senses. Mmm...when you word it like this, I have to agree. Violetpaw is just another victim of abuse in this series. I feel like once she's old enough o make her own decisions, hopefully she'll make the right choice when the time comes.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 2:08:05 GMT -5
People react to abuse differently. At this point, Violetpaw hasn't even realized she's being manipulated and fully believes that Needletail cares for her and wants whats best for her. Leaving isn't even on the table for her right now because, as far as she's concerned, there's no reason to leave. She's not purposely being a victim because she hasn't even realized she's a victim. It's very common among abuse survivors, even long after they're out of the situation. Therapists have to constantly tell victims that they were abused and they will say "well.... it wasn't that bad... I'm sure they only did it because they cared for me."
Violetpaw has been dragged around all her life. She was taken to ThunderClan as a kit, then to ShadowClan, then Needletail took her to the rogues, and the first time she actually decides to leave back to ShadowClan, they're taken over by rogues again. It's possible that she feels like leaving is futile and that she has no control over where she goes. It's also possible that the rogues are plotting to take over ThunderClan so Violetpaw thinks it'd be pointless to go there if the rogues are gonna take them anyway.
|
|
|
Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 26, 2017 2:20:51 GMT -5
People react to abuse differently. At this point, Violetpaw hasn't even realized she's being manipulated and fully believes that Needletail cares for her and wants whats best for her. Leaving isn't even on the table for her right now because, as far as she's concerned, there's no reason to leave. She's not purposely being a victim because she hasn't even realized she's a victim. It's very common among abuse survivors, even long after they're out of the situation. Therapists have to constantly tell victims that they were abused and they will say " well.... it wasn't that bad... I'm sure they only did it because they cared for me." Violetpaw has been dragged around all her life. She was taken to ThunderClan as a kit, then to ShadowClan, then Needletail took her to the rogues, and the first time she actually decides to leave back to ShadowClan, they're taken over by rogues again. It's possible that she feels like leaving is futile and that she has no control over where she goes. It's also possible that the rogues are plotting to take over ThunderClan so Violetpaw thinks it'd be pointless to go there if the rogues are gonna take them anyway. I remember I guess that the only thing that would actually make Violetpaw leave is if she has a similar moment like she did before when she left the rogues for ShadowClan. When she saw how horrible Darktail was, even to his own cats. I think she'll realize eventually that Needletail is only using her, or maybe this time Darktail will abuse her instead. Hopefully she doesn't realize...too late, it could cost her her life.
|
|
Bisexual
#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
Name Colour
ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
|
Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 26, 2017 13:10:57 GMT -5
Violetpaw also wanted to runaway and suggested this to Twigpaw. I'm pretty sure she's aware.
|
|
|
Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 26, 2017 14:00:37 GMT -5
Violetpaw also wanted to runaway and suggested this to Twigpaw. I'm pretty sure she's aware. She wanted to run away because the clans wouldn't let them be together. Thunder wanted to keep Twig, and she herself wanted to stay in Shadow, it wouldn't work out unless they ran away to be together.
|
|
Bisexual
#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
Name Colour
ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
|
Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 26, 2017 14:22:59 GMT -5
But still, it shows she's aware of the situation, more than her sister.
|
|
|
Post by Owlmoon on Mar 26, 2017 16:04:04 GMT -5
I like Violetpaw too. I think she's just been lead astray slightly by Needletail. Really I just think she's vulnerable which is why Needletail can easily manipulate her. Violetpaw's a good cat who means well - she's just confused and had a poor upbringing. It must have been incredibly hard for her to be separated from her sister so soon after losing her mother. Yep. I'm really neutral on Violetpaw.
|
|
|
Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 26, 2017 20:42:35 GMT -5
But still, it shows she's aware of the situation, more than her sister. I don't see how Twig isn't aware either though then? Twig has no reason to leave Thunder, they treated her with nothing but kindness. While Violet grew up with thinking the type of treatment she got was normal, but her sister thinks it's wrong. She couldn't understand why, they have different upbringings. Also when her sister chose Thunder over her, she thought that Needletail is the only one that she'd need after all, because that's what Needletail manipulated her to believe. And the only thing they both seem aware of is that Shadow and Thunder were keeping them apart, and they are "special" in some way. I think Violetpaw is to messed up in the head atm to actually realize that her relationship with Needletail isn't what real kin should be like.
|
|
Bisexual
#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
Name Colour
ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
|
Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 27, 2017 15:51:14 GMT -5
But still, it shows she's aware of the situation, more than her sister. I don't see how Twig isn't aware either though then? Twig has no reason to leave Thunder, they treated her with nothing but kindness. While Violet grew up with thinking the type of treatment she got was normal, but her sister thinks it's wrong. She couldn't understand why, they have different upbringings. Also when her sister chose Thunder over her, she thought that Needletail is the only one that she'd need after all, because that's what Needletail manipulated her to believe. And the only thing they both seem aware of is that Shadow and Thunder were keeping them apart, and they are "special" in some way. I think Violetpaw is to messed up in the head atm to actually realize that her relationship with Needletail isn't what real kin should be like. But she doesn't like it and has shown that. I've repeated this multiple times and people still aren't listening.
|
|
|
Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 27, 2017 22:34:26 GMT -5
I don't see how Twig isn't aware either though then? Twig has no reason to leave Thunder, they treated her with nothing but kindness. While Violet grew up with thinking the type of treatment she got was normal, but her sister thinks it's wrong. She couldn't understand why, they have different upbringings. Also when her sister chose Thunder over her, she thought that Needletail is the only one that she'd need after all, because that's what Needletail manipulated her to believe. And the only thing they both seem aware of is that Shadow and Thunder were keeping them apart, and they are "special" in some way. I think Violetpaw is to messed up in the head atm to actually realize that her relationship with Needletail isn't what real kin should be like. But she doesn't like it and has shown that. I've repeated this multiple times and people still aren't listening. Even if she doesn't like it, that still doesn't change that she doesn't have it in her head that this is normal behavior, or thinks of it as such. Children are like blank slates. How they're raised will affect their mind sets severely, especially their younger life. Needletail made Violetpaw believe their relationship is normal, that she is all she has or really needs, and because Violet is so young and impressionable, she's easy to twist and mold. If anything, her relationship with Needletail is a lot like Mapleshade and Crookedstar. Except Crookedstar actually had a mother and a father and a brother in the same clan. Needletail and Violetpaw's relationship is more severe and deeper on the level of toxicity, meaning it'll make it even harder for her to leave Needle. Abuse victims in relationships are sometimes aware that the relationship they have isn't healthy, but it's also hard for them to leave, because they're conditioned in a way that makes it hard to leave. Violetpaw is the equivalent of a child that doesn't really know what is what except from what she's been raised to believe. And the one time she actually decided something on her own, leaving the rogues after witnessing Darktail's savagery, not because of Needle. And the one that convinces her to stay when she's about to leave, is Needle. It's not Darktail who's got a hold on Violet, like the other cats that decided to join them, it's Needletail. Another thing to remember is that why should Violetpaw be thankful to the clans in general over Needletail? The one that always been close to her was Needle, not even her foster mother, or her foster littermates, the only person she could turn to and rely on for some sort of bond of affection was Needletail. Because the others treated her like outsiders and only saw her as some sort of accessory to the prophecy. The only reason ShadowClan wanted her so bad is because they think she's linked to the prophecy, otherwise they wouldn't even care about ThunderClan adopting two homeless kits. They only see her as some tool to insure their survival. While Needletail has openly made it seem that she cares more for her because she claims they're kin, even more than her actual blood kin.
|
|
Bisexual
#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
Name Colour
ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
|
Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 28, 2017 1:09:51 GMT -5
I still hold my views on Violetpaw.
|
|