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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 9:41:36 GMT -5
Black does not protest a religion?? It protests and mourns the fact that traditions were lost. But yes, take the meaning the complete opposite way of how it was meant and propagate more hate against us. Thats faaaan taaaas tiiiic i don't think matt & draco were trying to 'propagate more hate'. your wording in some parts made it out to seem like you were protesting christianity (or it's denominations) "...wearing black instead of green on Saint Patrick's Day as a symbol against the church and in remembrance or symbolism over a seemingly lost struggle to keep traditions in tact." (don't get mad at me please i get your message, i'm just pointing it out)
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 17, 2017 9:42:46 GMT -5
Forgot to organize my clothing for today lol whoops Eh my coat is black anyway tbh I never organize my clothes for specific days, I just wear whatever I want
but my coat is black so there's that
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Post by Sour Candy on Mar 17, 2017 9:43:31 GMT -5
Forgot to organize my clothing for today lol whoops Eh my coat is black anyway tbh I never organize my clothes for specific days, I just wear whatever I want
but my coat is black so there's that
I guess I was planning to wear more black than usual?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 9:44:15 GMT -5
Both.
I usually wear black every day. It's been cold and rainy, and my black Bearpaw boots are warm and waterproof, so they're perfect for the job. I'm wearing green because I don't want to get pinched by my mean peers in high school. Not very good reasons, I know, but today I can say I'm honoring something.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 17, 2017 9:45:04 GMT -5
tbh I never organize my clothes for specific days, I just wear whatever I want
but my coat is black so there's that
I guess I was planning to wear more black than usual? half of my wardrobe is black lol
black is such a good colour. it goes great with every other colour
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 9:48:02 GMT -5
I understand where it could be miscommunicated as that and there are a LOT of pagans who will refuse to do research, claim st. Patrick as a hitler equivalent for forcing out the druids and other heathens and making them unwelcome when really, where as that may have happened a few places because we've just always suffered backlash from people of the church, it wasn't some widespread cultural genocide. Many people willingly converted, and others went from having the ability to openly attend their covens and (i forgot the word druids used oops) they started practicing quietly within their own home. the people who converted obviously kind of abandoned a lot of their old ways for new, and because there werent very many open spaces anymore, many old traditions simply became family ones and changed over the years.
For me, though christianity may have caused this as directly or inadvertently as it may be, i dont hate them as a religious group. I just wish that it was more sought to preserve traditions and values, instead of christianize them. The Saint Brigid is another example. The person Brigid never existed, the Goddess did. And she was so highly favored among the Irish peoples, a lot wouldnt convert without her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 9:50:07 GMT -5
Tldr, christians are still at fault for what happened but i dont use black as a reason to hate them.
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Post by nondescript on Mar 17, 2017 10:36:40 GMT -5
Green. Solely because I don't want to be pinched. Way back in elementary school, I was terrified to be pinched. I shall keep this tradition for the whole family are pinchers
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Post by Fflewfflew on Mar 17, 2017 11:18:12 GMT -5
I'm wearing black mostly because that' what I wear 90% of the time(yoga pants, and I have a lot of black shirts.) I feel like the legend might be true, especially knowing what the early catholic church liked doing(basically what you said, absorbing smaller cultures.)
Now since I have a heavy druidic influence in my "flavor" of paganism I do feel like this needs to be made more aware.
Now I would like to say, by choosing to wear black, I'm not going to shame anyone because they're wearing green, at the end of the day it's just clothes or makeup or jewelry. I'm not gonna shame or judge you because of what you're wearing.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 17, 2017 11:28:25 GMT -5
wearing green because I'M MOTHERHUBBING CATHOLIC Y'ALL
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 11:29:44 GMT -5
wearing green because I'M MOTHERHUBBING CATHOLIC Y'ALL im not but i am a cat-holic. im addicted to cats.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 17, 2017 11:41:23 GMT -5
wearing green because I'M MOTHERHUBBING CATHOLIC Y'ALL Congrats. What do you want, a cookie? yeah why not? leap asked what color we're wearing and i answered
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 11:47:21 GMT -5
Shhhh, everybody gets a shamrock shaped sugar cookie.
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Post by Sour Candy on Mar 17, 2017 11:48:06 GMT -5
Shhhh, everybody gets a shamrock shaped sugar cookie. Hell im down for that I love cookies
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 11:48:25 GMT -5
Sur stfu before i ram this cookie down your throat. >:^(
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Post by Sour Candy on Mar 17, 2017 11:52:57 GMT -5
Sur stfu before i ram this cookie down your throat. >:^( Hey as long as I get a cookie
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Post by ʙᴄᴘʀɪɴᴄᴇss on Mar 17, 2017 11:53:43 GMT -5
I'm wearing a light brown sweater (because it's amazing) and black pants because most of my pants are black.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 17, 2017 11:54:39 GMT -5
yeah why not? leap asked what color we're wearing and i answered Idk how that makes you decide to say "LOLOLOLOL IM CATHOLIC" ...am I not allowed to be proud of that? he asked which color, i said which, and why.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 17, 2017 12:08:06 GMT -5
...am I not allowed to be proud of that? he asked which color, i said which, and why. It's the way you said it you cantaloupe im proud of being Norse but I don't go running around saying "HEY EVERYONE I'M NORSE LOL" you could've just said "because I'm catholic" just as easily i don't understand why that ticks you off, Ross i'm really proud of my religion and there's nothing wrong with that. just thinking about it makes me excited and that spills over into my posts sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 12:08:09 GMT -5
...am I not allowed to be proud of that? he asked which color, i said which, and why. It's the way you said it you cantaloupe im proud of being Norse but I don't go running around saying "HEY EVERYONE I'M NORSE LOL" you could've just said "because I'm catholic" just as easily Lol St. Patrick's Day is a distinctly Catholic holiday. As a Catholic, Shad has every right to be excited about celebrating it. Chill. Anyway, I'm wearing cat pajamas because it's my day off. :^)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 12:11:15 GMT -5
Norse is a religion too. Get edumacated. Sour to be fair you go on and on about being a vikin so quit calling people fruit, you egg.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 12:12:15 GMT -5
SOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 12:12:18 GMT -5
Lol Catholicism isn't an ethnicity. It's a religion. And St. Patrick's Day is a distinctly Catholic holiday. As a Catholic, Shad has every right to be excited about celebrating it. Chill. Anyway, I'm wearing cat pajamas because it's my day off. :^) I meant norse belief you god damn apple tree I'm not gonna fight with you because you're kinda cool but back off Yeah, I realized that about thirty seconds after posting, lol. So I edited it. Sorry about that. But my point still stands. It's like you're saying Christians shouldn't be excited to celebrate Christmas. Also, thanks for that really backhanded compliment. Nice job using my Lord's name in vain. (y)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 12:14:28 GMT -5
Oh for £%"€=€"%£:&(='÷^;¥ sake.
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Post by Fflewfflew on Mar 17, 2017 12:20:01 GMT -5
Things got real tense while I was not paying attention.
Why don't we just love each other, or at least tolerate each other.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 12:22:28 GMT -5
I love all of you and want to just hug and not argue as much as i want to now set everything on fire.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 17, 2017 12:22:56 GMT -5
i don't understand why that ticks you off, Ross i'm really proud of my religion and there's nothing wrong with that. just thinking about it makes me excited and that spills over into my posts sometimes. **** off don't call me ross sorry, I never knew you hated the nickname. i give all my friends humanesque names because it feels weird to me to call them by their screennames, or by their real names. i mean clearly something about me irritates you, and I can't figure out what. so i will do you a service and leave you alone from now on. which sucks, because i think you're a funny guy, but clearly that's not mutual. i'm not going to apologize for being enthusiastic about my religion. it's my lifestyle, St. Patrick's Day is a big feast day for us, and it's not like i was bringing it up for no reason. leap left an open question that i answered with zeal. i'm sorry that this bothers you but i am not sorry for being excited.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 12:27:29 GMT -5
It might be best if you stop posting here then.
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Post by Dawnwing on Mar 17, 2017 13:00:57 GMT -5
Now that I've collected my thoughts a bit more beyond "I'm wearing what I got in Ireland because it has meaning to me regardless of the color", I do want to add some of my thoughts about the thread. I agree with others that have mentioned it that wearing a color as a symbol of protest against a religion (you did refer to it as "a symbol against the church") is not the right way to go about things. As you said yourself, not so long ago, colors were a sign of division, hatred, and war in Ireland (although a correction to your main post: it's green that represents the Catholics and the people who wanted Ireland to remain unified, while white represents peace between them.) Even in its recent history, Ireland has been through a lot of pain, but it's been on a long road of healing and finding peace: these days the border is nothing but a sign saying "speed limits now in mph/kph", and the colors are no longer a statement when you wear them. So you can see why I feel that politicizing colors again in a similar way is taking several steps back in the wrong direction. It takes that peace that they've worked so hard for, that didn't come until many innocent people died, and divides people (perhaps in a different way than before, but dividing nonetheless). St. Patrick's Day today is a celebration of Irish culture (and an excuse to drink), and generally has nothing to do with Catholicism or St. Patrick himself except that it's historically been his feast day in the church because it was the day he died (I haven't even heard the "snake" thing since I was a kid, and as you also said in the post, it's debatable what impact he himself had.) And it's not like Catholics in Ireland have had it great either; the British took all their rights (the reason the potato famine was so devastating was because people were forced to give up much of the rest of their crops and livestock to the British and many were forced from their homes) and actively tried to squash their culture such as the Irish language (which is why signs in Ireland always have both Irish and English nowadays, with Irish listed first, and it's a requirement in schools, even though the majority speak basically only English). Both cases - the old ways before Catholicism being lost, and the British treatment of Ireland - were wrong. There's nothing wrong with learning about history and understanding and admitting that bad things happened - in fact it's extremely important to do so - but the point is that it's history. It's about things that started before any of us were born. The best thing we can do is learn from it and work together to make sure that such things don't happen again, and that we can live in peace together. Protesting a religion and events that occurred centuries ago isn't the best way to do that. We can say that yes, it happened, and it was wrong, but instead of saying "I'm rejecting this thing/your beliefs", it's better to say "here's what we all can do to make things better".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 13:03:16 GMT -5
Read it but too emotionally exhausted for a long response yet.
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