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Post by pouetfairy on Nov 15, 2024 4:53:31 GMT -5
This plot has always left me perplexed, then downright annoyed as I noticed that StarClan was becoming more and more invested with the living.
That the Clans think that this is StarClan's will seems logical and normal to me. But the situation is so unrealistic that even we, as readers, are pushed to believe that this is indeed an action of StarClan.
Damn, why didn't the authors make the scene more credible by making several cats stuck under the tree (including Brambleclaw), but only Mudclaw dies? There, we could have believed it was a coincidence.
I think Vicky said that this was indeed the case, but I can't find a link / screenshot. Does anyone have the same memory? Better, is there any proof of these statements?
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Post by tumblepaw on Nov 15, 2024 6:50:52 GMT -5
One of the field guides mentions that it is unknown whether it was Starclan’s will or not. That’s all I remember of them talking about it.
I personally never really put much stock into it one way or another. This is one series where I try to turn my brain off and just enjoy it as is. Of course that doesn’t always work. XD
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Post by lightfur on Nov 15, 2024 9:41:26 GMT -5
I was thinking about this recently. There was a similar thing that happened in Code of The Clans, but it was a lot more explicate that StarClan did it there.
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Post by pouetfairy on Nov 15, 2024 9:49:01 GMT -5
I was thinking about this recently. There was a similar thing that happened in Code of The Clans, but it was a lot more explicate that StarClan did it there. Honestly, I hate these kinds of concrete implications from StarClan. Why would they intervene in certain situations, and not others (randomly, during the reigns of Brokenstar and Tigerstar I)? |
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Post by lightfur on Nov 15, 2024 10:10:50 GMT -5
I was thinking about this recently. There was a similar thing that happened in Code of The Clans, but it was a lot more explicate that StarClan did it there. Honestly, I hate these kinds of concrete implications from StarClan. Why would they intervene in certain situations, and not others (randomly, during the reigns of Brokenstar and Tigerstar I)? That's what I was thinking. So many of the problems in the serries would be solved if StarClan just struck down all the villains. Like suddenly a tree falls on Splashtail and all the cats just accept this. I can understand why that doesn't happen from a writing perspective, everything would be solved to easily and anticlimactically. But it does make StarClan look hypocritical. |
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Post by Cyanidestar/Bumblebubble on Nov 15, 2024 10:22:17 GMT -5
Honestly, I hate these kinds of concrete implications from StarClan. Why would they intervene in certain situations, and not others (randomly, during the reigns of Brokenstar and Tigerstar I)? That's what I was thinking. So many of the problems in the series would be solved if StarClan just struck down all the villains. Like suddenly a tree falls on Splashtail and all the cats just accept this. I can understand why that doesn't happen from a writing perspective, everything would be solved to easily and anticlimactically. But it does make StarClan look hypocritical. I agree tbh. I agree tbh. It's very hypocritical, but so is STARCLAN itself... |
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Post by Whispering Willow on Nov 15, 2024 13:17:06 GMT -5
Makes me think of the whole silly "clouds covering the moon signals StarClan's displeasure" thing with Gatherings. In The Darkest Hour, after a storm breaks up the Gathering where Firestar tried to warn the Clans about Tigerstar, Cinderpelt literally says that "sometimes a storm is just a storm." So then if a storm is just a storm, why can't clouds just be clouds? Why are clouds covering the moon during a Gathering automatically a sign that StarClan's unhappy? When is a storm not just a storm? When and how StarClan does and doesn't control the weather has never been consistent or made sense.
Back on topic, though, I can see the Code of the Clans thing being like a "StarClan didn't want another deadly Fourtrees battle" thing, or just a situation where Ripplestar was wrong to hold such a battle at a sacred place of peace like Fourtrees. And I do remember Vicky confirming that the tree that killed Mudclaw was not StarClan intervening but I don't know if anyone has a backup of that or not. It's no longer on the wiki, and I believe it once was, so it was probably removed due to lack of valid proof. Otherwise, why StarClan chooses when and when not to interfere is often very arbitrary in general, and I usually don't bother trying to make sense of it.
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Post by moopuries on Nov 18, 2024 21:20:21 GMT -5
i think the mudclaw situation really makes me question how severe something has to be in order for starclan to intervene. what mudclaw had going on wasn't too bad when you look back on it, so it gets a little confusing that starclan possibly struck him down, when they didnt strike down characters such as tigerstar or mapleshade, who got up to some pretty serious crimes
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Post by Cyanidestar/Bumblebubble on Nov 19, 2024 11:24:18 GMT -5
It's because they are spiteful hypocrites!
Sorry, but it's true.
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Post by pebblestep on Nov 19, 2024 12:51:19 GMT -5
i think the mudclaw situation really makes me question how severe something has to be in order for starclan to intervene. what mudclaw had going on wasn't too bad when you look back on it, so it gets a little confusing that starclan possibly struck him down, when they didnt strike down characters such as tigerstar or mapleshade, who got up to some pretty serious crimes Maybe in an alternate universe where starclan didn't kill him he was even worse than tigerclaw |
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Post by 🩵ẞnøwfałł🩵 on Nov 19, 2024 14:21:50 GMT -5
In the mudclaw situation, it feels that starclan was trying to prove themselves to the living cats. That feels really weird considering the cat's religion is following starclan completely.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 20, 2024 3:50:53 GMT -5
I think this situation (as well as others similar to it) are all coincidences which the cats simply interpret to be from StarClan/StarClans' will. It's a religion, after all.
But then again, StarClan does exist in this world, speaks to other cats (mostly healers) and literally shows up to fight a war against the Dark Forest in OotS. So maybe I'm wrong lol.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 20, 2024 18:05:55 GMT -5
Classic case of “the writers have never had a concrete idea for what StarClan is/isn’t and they just make it up to suit the current book’s plot”
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