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Post by 🎄ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ🎅 on Oct 26, 2024 10:42:35 GMT -5
I also think that Splashtail was also so frightened by Curlfeather that he wasn’t at his fullest capabilities when fighting. Add that to Frostdawn’s furry he definitely was far from impossible to defeat. wasn’t lightleap there? i thought she helped frost kill him? A little, but it seems like Frostdawn did like at least 85% of it |
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Post by Silentlight on Oct 26, 2024 10:45:05 GMT -5
you guys can fight me on this and i'd love to hear all of the opinions but I'm very underwhelmed on Icestar, espcially as someone who genuinely had no real stake in the frost, moth or ice debate. Icestar reads as kind of a safe pick and it just the reveals sounds super wonky as she wasn't even present for almost the entire book???? she leaves comes back and gets crowned. i dont get it. some reasons I dont like this - im not sure if this is a controversial opinion but i hate the fact that most evidence of icewing making a decent leader are all in a side SE in IPH. Not a fan of SEs holding so much info for main series books - Nothing leading up to atleast book 5 gave any hint towards Icewing and if anything, Icewing becoming a regent in RC and the narrative making NO actual notes of it and her stepping down doesn't make any sense if the authors wanted her to be the leader, wouldn't any of the cats be making note of how well she was doing?? - it being icestar kinda ruins a big portion of the setup which was curfeather's dream to Frost about going outside the obvious choice as like, icestar was probably the most obvious candidate? ruins the rereadability of the series as a huge portion of the plot will seem stupid as we know it basically will amount to nothing by the end. -It doesnt make alot of sense with Frostpaw's realization in Thunder over having a leader that would welcome outsiders as we've had no real hint that Icestar would be that type of leader in all honesty as i'm typing this I'm starting to feel that i don't think the authors were really even going for Icewing until IPH? like there's no actual evidence supporting Icestar eariler and if anything all the evidence was supporting Mothwing and Frostdawn wayyy more. What I would've done? probably would have more candidates but have the leader be a younger cat who shows small sprinkles of the leadership qualities from book 1 to 6. Fognose would've been nice if I had the choice to rewrtie the arc because it kinda sucks that she's just splashtail's evil sister. edit 1: or just make it Mothwing lmfao This isn't meant as Icewing slander but as a character i just don't feel she brings anything that Riverclan would need that is any different from Mistystar or etc. TLDR: i cant help but feel the erins may have fumbled a setup that could've been pretty awesome, with a underwhelming and boring choice in Icestar edit 1: maybe the erins wanted mothwing but saw many of the fans screaming for icestar and fast tracked real quick edit 2: Icestar is no longer a dragon  |
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Post by Silentlight on Oct 26, 2024 10:47:58 GMT -5
wasn’t lightleap there? i thought she helped frost kill him? A little, but it seems like Frostdawn did like at least 85% of it pixie my friend help us get clarity, here yeah its weird reading back it looks like she used the power of her dead mentor to get the best of him lol . he dies of wounds also maybe they did the same amount of damage to each other but Splashtail just died bec ause he wasnt treated idk. Either way I'm glad Frostdawn was the one to do it no matter if it makes sense or not |
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 26, 2024 11:14:43 GMT -5
Okay, here’s my overall opinions on everything since a couple people asked now! Anyways, to get straight into it, all of the protagonists were utilized well in this book! Usually, in these protagonist trios, one of the characters end up not doing a bunch, but I think all of them carried their weight. Nightheart spent a decent portion of time being a prisoner in the RiverClan camp; Sunbeam was a glimpse into ShadowClan; Frostpaw stays carrying the plot forward. She’s the one to kill Splashtail, is RiverClan’s connection to StarClan, and puts a new leader into place.
Honestly, I can’t choose between Sunbeam’s and Frostpaw’s chapters. Sunbeam offers a unique perspective (thinking that one can find peace in the Dark Forest by coming to terms with what they are) and holds heavy value to love. When she was grieving for Berryheart, you could really feel it and even though Berryheart was clearly in the wrong, she was willing to fight for her. Her relationship with Nightheart and his family is really sweet and you can really tell she has a heart for helping others.
Frostpaw, of course, is always the one stepping up to the plate. She swims from the gathering island to WindClan’s shore. She’s the one who has the final showdown with Splashtail and ends up almost dying because of it. A heavy burden lay on her shoulders, and even though she started to entertain the idea of staying dead, she came back because her Clan needed her. She had the world on her shoulders and even though she messed up a bit when she was younger, she matured, and is going to stay true to RiverClan.
My biggest issue with the book is that the characters most likely to die are the only ones who die. The death count is two: Splashtail and Berryheart. I guess they wanted to tone down this arc’s ending because The Broken Code’s ending did not hold back. This is definitely a more grounded arc, though I still wonder how Frostdawn managed to beat Splashtail when she’s quite a bit more inexperienced than him when it comes to fighting.
The best thing about the book in my opinion besides Sunbeam and Frostdawn is the side cast. I said in an earlier post that this story has nuance to it and that comes from the characters. We have many standouts in this book: Lightleap, Owlnose, Gorseclaw, and those are just a select few. SO MANY of the characters get fleshed out. Splashtail was absolutely terrifying in this book and it’s sad that he didn't cause any real damage when he was such an intimidating villain.
It was also cool seeing old RiverClan favorites: Crookedstar and Stonefur particularly.
Anyways, I suggest that you all read the book for yourself so that you can form your own opinions! I’m sure some information probably got missed in my summaries. Thanks again for the spoilers. A bit disappointed with Frostdawn not being leader but her name is great. I'm satisfied with Icestar, and happy with Nightheart's end. |
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Post by ghostfang on Oct 26, 2024 11:32:08 GMT -5
Wow..I'm kinda disappointed it ended on such a stale note. Only two deaths?? Seriously??? Also Squilf barely did anything this arc. Don't really like the fact that NightSun are already having kits (ugh not another "babies ever after" ending...) or that Frostdawn is still staying a medcat after everything she was put through, but if it's actually HER choice to stay as one then I suppose that's alright. I really feel like the whole stuff with the park cats, wildcats, Sunbeam's relationship with Lightleap, and Nightheart's attachment to Firestar's legacy all ended up being pointless when they could've DONE something with that. Something different, yknow? The second half was probably the worst aspect of this book since it's just literally nothing but cats arguing and waiting for Frost to wake up right at the very tail-end of the book. I've got pretty low expectations for the next arc since there's gonna be yet another ThunderClan focus and two characters that have already had their arcs. |
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Post by iceheart on Oct 26, 2024 11:36:16 GMT -5
Well, disappointed as always. Icestar means nothing to me, Frostdawn is a terrible name, we had an entire book about how Owlnose was happy about being warrior and not deputy/leader, Splashtail suddenly swaps from "all I want to do is make RiverClan stronger and I don't want nine lives to do it" to a cheap combination of Brokenstar for kidnapping kits and Tigerstar for suddenly wanting to combine both Clans and be the leader of them, Berryheart switches from "Tigerheart shouldn't be leader, Cloverfoot should be, we have to make ShadowClan so it won't fall like Darktail" to "I want to be ShadowClan's leader" with absolutely no prior warning. Nightheart means nothing, Frostpaw spends half the book unconscious and her decision for Icewing to be leader is based on "singing", and of course it ends with pregnant Sunbeam because what's a book without the female lead not being pregnant? Disappointed but not surprised. |
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Post by Silentlight on Oct 26, 2024 11:41:17 GMT -5
Well, disappointed as always. Icestar means nothing to me, Frostdawn is a terrible name, we had an entire book about how Owlnose was happy about being warrior and not deputy/leader, Splashtail suddenly swaps from "all I want to do is make RiverClan stronger and I don't want nine lives to do it" to a cheap combination of Brokenstar for kidnapping kits and Tigerstar for suddenly wanting to combine both Clans and be the leader of them, Berryheart switches from "Tigerheart shouldn't be leader, Cloverfoot should be, we have to make ShadowClan so it won't fall like Darktail" to "I want to be ShadowClan's leader" with absolutely no prior warning. Nightheart means nothing, Frostpaw spends half the book unconscious and her decision for Icewing to be leader is based on "singing", and of course it ends with pregnant Sunbeam because what's a book without the female lead not being pregnant? Disappointed but not surprised. "- bumblestripe defender" are we sure this is not ragebait |
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Post by iceheart on Oct 26, 2024 11:53:12 GMT -5
Well, disappointed as always. Icestar means nothing to me, Frostdawn is a terrible name, we had an entire book about how Owlnose was happy about being warrior and not deputy/leader, Splashtail suddenly swaps from "all I want to do is make RiverClan stronger and I don't want nine lives to do it" to a cheap combination of Brokenstar for kidnapping kits and Tigerstar for suddenly wanting to combine both Clans and be the leader of them, Berryheart switches from "Tigerheart shouldn't be leader, Cloverfoot should be, we have to make ShadowClan so it won't fall like Darktail" to "I want to be ShadowClan's leader" with absolutely no prior warning. Nightheart means nothing, Frostpaw spends half the book unconscious and her decision for Icewing to be leader is based on "singing", and of course it ends with pregnant Sunbeam because what's a book without the female lead not being pregnant? Disappointed but not surprised. "- bumblestripe defender" are we sure this is not ragebait It's not. I enjoy specific characters and I'm also willing to express my own opinion--which is that this book was very underwhelming and assassinates all previously established motivations for characters, which is my biggest issue with the two main antagonists. |
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Post by finland on Oct 26, 2024 11:56:43 GMT -5
Well, disappointed as always. Icestar means nothing to me, Frostdawn is a terrible name, we had an entire book about how Owlnose was happy about being warrior and not deputy/leader, Splashtail suddenly swaps from "all I want to do is make RiverClan stronger and I don't want nine lives to do it" to a cheap combination of Brokenstar for kidnapping kits and Tigerstar for suddenly wanting to combine both Clans and be the leader of them, Berryheart switches from "Tigerheart shouldn't be leader, Cloverfoot should be, we have to make ShadowClan so it won't fall like Darktail" to "I want to be ShadowClan's leader" with absolutely no prior warning. Nightheart means nothing, Frostpaw spends half the book unconscious and her decision for Icewing to be leader is based on "singing", and of course it ends with pregnant Sunbeam because what's a book without the female lead not being pregnant? Disappointed but not surprised. I'm usually disappointed too but I'm happy with Icestar. They've been building her up.
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Post by iceheart on Oct 26, 2024 11:59:32 GMT -5
Well, disappointed as always. Icestar means nothing to me, Frostdawn is a terrible name, we had an entire book about how Owlnose was happy about being warrior and not deputy/leader, Splashtail suddenly swaps from "all I want to do is make RiverClan stronger and I don't want nine lives to do it" to a cheap combination of Brokenstar for kidnapping kits and Tigerstar for suddenly wanting to combine both Clans and be the leader of them, Berryheart switches from "Tigerheart shouldn't be leader, Cloverfoot should be, we have to make ShadowClan so it won't fall like Darktail" to "I want to be ShadowClan's leader" with absolutely no prior warning. Nightheart means nothing, Frostpaw spends half the book unconscious and her decision for Icewing to be leader is based on "singing", and of course it ends with pregnant Sunbeam because what's a book without the female lead not being pregnant? Disappointed but not surprised. I'm usually disappointed too but I'm happy with Icestar. They've been building her up.
My biggest problem with Icestar boils down to a few reasons.
1.) She's old. Ivypool's Heart established that she was alive in the forest territories, so honestly watch us get a repeat of Mistystar and the cycle repeats... again.
2.) The establishment, once again, comes from a SE that's outside of the main books and I'm really tired of being forced to read SEs simply to understand what's going on in the books.
3.) She already temporarily led. Was that not enough for Frostpaw to say "this should be the leader?"
4.) Also ruins Curlfeather's "look beyond the obvious choices." Icewing seemed to be the most popular choice.
5.) She doesn't even appear for the entirety of the book so we don't get to see her in action here--like, it would be so much better if she (and Frostpaw) were spearheading this entire operation so we see her as a leader in action, not that she just comes home and is crowned leader without... really doing anything while Splashtail is going on his rampage. |
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Post by کیوان on Oct 26, 2024 11:59:34 GMT -5
Well, disappointed as always. Icestar means nothing to me, Frostdawn is a terrible name, we had an entire book about how Owlnose was happy about being warrior and not deputy/leader, Splashtail suddenly swaps from "all I want to do is make RiverClan stronger and I don't want nine lives to do it" to a cheap combination of Brokenstar for kidnapping kits and Tigerstar for suddenly wanting to combine both Clans and be the leader of them, Berryheart switches from "Tigerheart shouldn't be leader, Cloverfoot should be, we have to make ShadowClan so it won't fall like Darktail" to "I want to be ShadowClan's leader" with absolutely no prior warning. Nightheart means nothing, Frostpaw spends half the book unconscious and her decision for Icewing to be leader is based on "singing", and of course it ends with pregnant Sunbeam because what's a book without the female lead not being pregnant? Disappointed but not surprised. It’s all so tiresome. |
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Post by کیوان on Oct 26, 2024 12:00:08 GMT -5
Well, disappointed as always. Icestar means nothing to me, Frostdawn is a terrible name, we had an entire book about how Owlnose was happy about being warrior and not deputy/leader, Splashtail suddenly swaps from "all I want to do is make RiverClan stronger and I don't want nine lives to do it" to a cheap combination of Brokenstar for kidnapping kits and Tigerstar for suddenly wanting to combine both Clans and be the leader of them, Berryheart switches from "Tigerheart shouldn't be leader, Cloverfoot should be, we have to make ShadowClan so it won't fall like Darktail" to "I want to be ShadowClan's leader" with absolutely no prior warning. Nightheart means nothing, Frostpaw spends half the book unconscious and her decision for Icewing to be leader is based on "singing", and of course it ends with pregnant Sunbeam because what's a book without the female lead not being pregnant? Disappointed but not surprised. "- bumblestripe defender" are we sure this is not ragebait Please be respectful. |
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 26, 2024 12:03:17 GMT -5
Well, disappointed as always. Icestar means nothing to me, Frostdawn is a terrible name, we had an entire book about how Owlnose was happy about being warrior and not deputy/leader, Splashtail suddenly swaps from "all I want to do is make RiverClan stronger and I don't want nine lives to do it" to a cheap combination of Brokenstar for kidnapping kits and Tigerstar for suddenly wanting to combine both Clans and be the leader of them, Berryheart switches from "Tigerheart shouldn't be leader, Cloverfoot should be, we have to make ShadowClan so it won't fall like Darktail" to "I want to be ShadowClan's leader" with absolutely no prior warning. Nightheart means nothing, Frostpaw spends half the book unconscious and her decision for Icewing to be leader is based on "singing", and of course it ends with pregnant Sunbeam because what's a book without the female lead not being pregnant? Disappointed but not surprised. I'm usually disappointed too but I'm happy with Icestar. They've been building her up.
She was the best choice considering she’s one of the more fleshed out RC cats in general prior to these events imo. They were building her up throughout the arc and obviously she got more characterization. Smart move on the editors’ parts.
She’s old yeah, but I doubt she’ll last that long. Owlnose had some development from Sky and he’s relatively young, so perhaps an Owlstar is in the future. |
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Post by Birdskip on Oct 26, 2024 12:21:24 GMT -5
IT EVEN ENDED WITH THE PREGNANCY REVEAL
This arc ended up so predictable and safe??? After the intense ambition of TBC, I thought there’d be at least 1 surprise to last after the arc was finished
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Post by Queen Tawnypelt on Oct 26, 2024 12:28:48 GMT -5
I'm betting they're going to kill off the elders of Thunderclan in between the arcs (this is a joke) but only 2 deaths in the entire book? Went back and reread the summaries and very disappointed that they didn't kill off more cats. Especially in Thunderclan since they need to be culled and the stakes were high in the first half. As for the people who are saying Squirrelflight was absolutely useless in the book, it felt like the writers were 100% catering to her fans by shoving her into the leadership position and saying, 'Look! We finally did what you've been requesting for years, but she's going to look absolutely useless next to Tigerstar II.' |
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Post by کیوان on Oct 26, 2024 12:39:09 GMT -5
I'm betting they're going to kill off the elders of Thunderclan in between the arcs (this is a joke) but only 2 deaths in the entire book? Went back and reread the summaries and very disappointed that they didn't kill off more cats. Especially in Thunderclan since they need to be culled and the stakes were high in the first half. As for the people who are saying Squirrelflight was absolutely useless in the book, it felt like the writers were 100% catering to her fans by shoving her into the leadership position and saying, 'Look! We finally did what you've been requesting for years, but she's going to look absolutely useless next to Tigerstar II.' Fanservice doesn't have to be contrived, and I hoped they wouldn't make it so in this book, but fate thought otherwise. |
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Post by asrise on Oct 26, 2024 12:39:12 GMT -5
IT EVEN ENDED WITH THE PREGNANCY REVEAL
This arc ended up so predictable and safe??? After the intense ambition of TBC, I thought there’d be at least 1 surprise to last after the arc was finished
Wait Sunbeam's actually pregnant? Wow....
I wouldn't say that ASC is predictable and safe. Really, it's just the last two books. There's a lot going for much of the arc and it could have been expanded on quite a bit. I mean, I thought they would run out of time going through the whole plot here. But why do that when you can just leave all your plotlines untied?
Still better than TBC. |
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 26, 2024 12:40:31 GMT -5
Genuinely asking, what’s the hype behind wanting Frostdawn as leader? Reading her chapters throughout the arc it never seemed like she was interested in that or the books setting her up for it. She had/has her own issues to work through and she never struck me as a cat with leadership potential. Her calling always seemed to be a medicine cat, even with her mother’s machinations.
No hate at all, just curious because I never really understood why. |
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Post by asrise on Oct 26, 2024 12:50:56 GMT -5
Genuinely asking, what’s the hype behind wanting Frostdawn as leader? Reading her chapters throughout the arc it never seemed like she was interested in that or the books setting her up for it. She had/has her own issues to work through and she never struck me as a cat with leadership potential. Her calling always seemed to be a medicine cat, even with her mother’s machinations.
No hate at all, just curious because I never really understood why. I'll answer this, because I think I'm one of the biggest proponents. It's because she is the one who's actually leading most of the anti-splashtail action, the one communicating with Riverstar, the one learning about the machinations of Splashtail and Curlfeather. This gives her a special perspective, and we see this in how she (at least in some spots) acknowledges that there is more wrong with RiverClan than just Splashtail. I think that her journey to the park was also a great way to learn the roots of her clan and how to begin to address their long term troubles. Of course, she could have done this without being leader, but it's also that she'd be a young leader, which would be very welcome now that most of the leaders are getting pretty old (even Tigerstar II). It also sets up future interest in RiverClan, because there would be a well-established protagonist leading a clan, making RiverClan still relevant in the future. I just really like the change that her leadership would likely bring. Even though they could do it with Icewing, I think it would be more easy to forget it. (Which is probably what they will do) There's a lot that fascinates me with the concept of Frostdawn becoming leader, including how it ties to the beginning of the arc and Curlfeather, but that's pretty much the main points. |
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Post by کیوان on Oct 26, 2024 12:50:56 GMT -5
Genuinely asking, what’s the hype behind wanting Frostdawn as leader? Reading her chapters throughout the arc it never seemed like she was interested in that or the books setting her up for it. She had/has her own issues to work through and she never struck me as a cat with leadership potential. Her calling always seemed to be a medicine cat, even with her mother’s machinations.
No hate at all, just curious because I never really understood why. We have given many reasons and more. She has shown grown to have a discerning mind, it would be an ironic twist with "look beyond the obvious choices", candidates like Icewing don't have potential longevity or even as much build-up as Frostpaw, an apprentice taking charge would be a bold statement about growth, and it was the change for something different to happen in the usual mundanity of solving the problem and going back to normal.
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Post by cloudsbursted on Oct 26, 2024 12:58:12 GMT -5
Unironically so dissappinted with the ending. The first few books of this arc had so much potential and the entire premise hinged on the murder-mystery with high political drama, yet by the end none of it even felt as if it mattered. Icestar getting the leadership position makes sense from a logical standpoint, but from a reader’s standpoint feels deeply unsatisfying. Like others had pointed out a majority of her time actually getting built up as leader happened in Ivypool’s Heart and this book almost exclusively which is miffing as well but that’s not even what bothers me. It feels as if this “reveal” isn’t a reveal at all due to how it’s presented. Like they already had her serve as regent in the beginning, act good and competent, then step down. You’re telling me we spent all these books bumbling around worrying about who was gonna be leader when if Frostpaw just picked the literal most qualified and obvious cat to begin with, it would be negated? What was the point of it all. Same for Owlnose ending up as deputy, after having been leader and shown to be inadequate. Sure it could make sense from a character perspective of him wanting to “take responsibility” for allowing Splashtail to lead or whatever but as a narrative feels completely lackluster and makes everyone look more incompetent than they already are. Like yup, we started out with these two cats in leadership positions and then end with them in leadership positions (just reversed). Nothing about this makes me feel as if Frostpaw’s journey mattered in any sense, which sucks because I absolutely loved the entire arc of her reconnecting with the Park Cats and journeying with Nightheart. What was that entire thread about Bee’s dream? He didn’t even show up again. Or outsider cats wanting to join RiverClan and in turn them becoming more accepting after spending so long isolating from the other Clans? Nothing about this ending suggests that sort of thing will happen. I trust Icestar to lead well but, it truly doesn’t feel as if anything CHANGED. The only deaths this book being Berryheart and Splashtail is also the most predictable thing ever, though at least perhaps Podlight survived? Hope he ends up in the rejected runaway villain gang alongside Sleekwhisker and Sol. |
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Post by Dawn Sunlight on Oct 26, 2024 13:15:26 GMT -5
I'm late to this because I just joined the forums but ICESTAR YES!!! I've been OBSESSED with Icewing since Veil of Shadows. I've been actively guessing she would be leader since Shadow and I'm SO happy my guess was correct!!!
Owlnose as deputy is disappointing, but at least he's not Duskfur so I'll take it.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 26, 2024 13:17:38 GMT -5
I think maybe we are forgetting that the “look beyond the obvious choices” line is from a dream of Curlfeather that the book later established was not a real vision. Ever since that reveal, I have assumed it was just Frostdawn’s mind trying to cope with the responsibility thrust upon her and an internal justification for why any choice she’d make would be fine. |
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Post by کیوان on Oct 26, 2024 13:19:10 GMT -5
I think maybe we are forgetting that the “look beyond the obvious choices” line is from a dream of Curlfeather that the book later established was not a real vision. Ever since that reveal, I have assumed it was just Frostdawn’s mind trying to cope with the responsibility thrust upon her and an internal justification for why any choice she’d make would be fine. It's coherent because it's ironic. The best edit is the one where they emphasize something that doesn't seem relevant. |
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Post by Birdskip on Oct 26, 2024 13:20:42 GMT -5
I think maybe we are forgetting that the “look beyond the obvious choices” line is from a dream of Curlfeather that the book later established was not a real vision. Ever since that reveal, I have assumed it was just Frostdawn’s mind trying to cope with the responsibility thrust upon her and an internal justification for why any choice she’d make would be fine. You’re absolutely right, I did forget that |
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 26, 2024 13:21:56 GMT -5
Genuinely asking, what’s the hype behind wanting Frostdawn as leader? Reading her chapters throughout the arc it never seemed like she was interested in that or the books setting her up for it. She had/has her own issues to work through and she never struck me as a cat with leadership potential. Her calling always seemed to be a medicine cat, even with her mother’s machinations.
No hate at all, just curious because I never really understood why. We have given many reasons and more. She has shown grown to have a discerning mind, it would be an ironic twist with "look beyond the obvious choices", candidates like Icewing don't have potential longevity or even as much build-up as Frostpaw, an apprentice taking charge would be a bold statement about growth, and it was the change for something different to happen in the usual mundanity of solving the problem and going back to normal.
Icewing was an easy out. End of discussion. Your points make sense, but there’s really no reason to be hostile about it. Was just a question. |
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Post by کیوان on Oct 26, 2024 13:24:40 GMT -5
We have given many reasons and more. She has shown grown to have a discerning mind, it would be an ironic twist with "look beyond the obvious choices", candidates like Icewing don't have potential longevity or even as much build-up as Frostpaw, an apprentice taking charge would be a bold statement about growth, and it was the change for something different to happen in the usual mundanity of solving the problem and going back to normal.
Icewing was an easy out. End of discussion. Your points make sense, but there’s really no reason to be hostile about it. Was just a question. I have no intention of coming off as hostile towards any individual. I'm mainly just passionate about the whole thing, if not frustrated. |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 26, 2024 13:28:09 GMT -5
I think maybe we are forgetting that the “look beyond the obvious choices” line is from a dream of Curlfeather that the book later established was not a real vision. Ever since that reveal, I have assumed it was just Frostdawn’s mind trying to cope with the responsibility thrust upon her and an internal justification for why any choice she’d make would be fine. It's coherent because it's ironic. The best edit is the one where they emphasize something that doesn't seem relevant. It can be, but it doesn’t have to be. It would be interesting if what fake dream Curlfeather said ended up being true, but the fact that it wasn’t doesn’t make it a plot hole.
To be clear, I don’t really care who became leader. I think Icestar is fine but it could have used more thematic build-up given the central mystery of the arc was “Who will be RiverClan leader?” Choosing the most qualified character makes sense pragmatically but sucks as the conclusion to what was billed as a multiple-book mystery. But that being said, I don’t think the dream Curlfeather line is really the best leg to stand on for defending said disappointment.
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Post by finland on Oct 26, 2024 13:29:14 GMT -5
I'm usually disappointed too but I'm happy with Icestar. They've been building her up.
My biggest problem with Icestar boils down to a few reasons.
1.) She's old. Ivypool's Heart established that she was alive in the forest territories, so honestly watch us get a repeat of Mistystar and the cycle repeats... again.
2.) The establishment, once again, comes from a SE that's outside of the main books and I'm really tired of being forced to read SEs simply to understand what's going on in the books.
3.) She already temporarily led. Was that not enough for Frostpaw to say "this should be the leader?"
4.) Also ruins Curlfeather's "look beyond the obvious choices." Icewing seemed to be the most popular choice.
5.) She doesn't even appear for the entirety of the book so we don't get to see her in action here--like, it would be so much better if she (and Frostpaw) were spearheading this entire operation so we see her as a leader in action, not that she just comes home and is crowned leader without... really doing anything while Splashtail is going on his rampage. Wait I thought she was Ivypools age |
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Post by کیوان on Oct 26, 2024 13:30:51 GMT -5
finland She's been around since Dark River, though
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