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Post by finland on Sept 16, 2024 7:57:08 GMT -5
I'd say StarClan. he felt remorseful for his crime, and sacrificed himself to save a child.
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Post by Cherrystream on Sept 16, 2024 9:38:23 GMT -5
I believe he should have been let in to Starclan. Yeah he did poison Skyclan which was a terrible thing to do, but he showed remorse and saved Shadowsight's (and Violetshine's I think) life before he died. As horrible as it is to poison an entire clan, he truly thought he was doing the best thing for Shadowclan since Skyclan in his mind was trying to take territory from Shadowclan, he wasn't doing it just to be evil and kill cats. I'm absolutely not excusing what he's done, but looking at other villains Juniperclaw doesn't really fit in due to the intent and his regret. I'm glad they got him out of the Dark Forest, but I think he should have been let in to Starclan, not just be stuck inbetween the two as a "guard". Idk, just my opinion but I really like Juniperclaw, he's an interesting cat.
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Post by finland on Sept 16, 2024 10:34:59 GMT -5
I believe he should have been let in to Starclan. Yeah he did poison Skyclan which was a terrible thing to do, but he showed remorse and saved Shadowsight's (and Violetshine's I think) life before he died. As horrible as it is to poison an entire clan, he truly thought he was doing the best thing for Shadowclan since Skyclan in his mind was trying to take territory from Shadowclan, he wasn't doing it just to be evil and kill cats. I'm absolutely not excusing what he's done, but looking at other villains Juniperclaw doesn't really fit in due to the intent and his regret. I'm glad they got him out of the Dark Forest, but I think he should have been let in to Starclan, not just be stuck inbetween the two as a "guard". Idk, just my opinion but I really like Juniperclaw, he's an interesting cat. Meanwhile Skystar murdered cats out of malice and went to StarClan
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Sept 16, 2024 10:37:12 GMT -5
I always thought it was odd that he didn’t get into StarClan, at least in the end. What he did was awful and could’ve ended terribly, but as far as the code goes he did to help his Clan when he thought they were in danger. And if cats that operated under the same philosophy but did much worse (such as Mudclaw, Needletail, Hollyleaf, Skystar, initially Ashfur and even Blackstar and Onestar even with their redemptions), then he should’ve gotten in too.
To be honest, the story has so many morally gray characters or characters that break the rules constantly (even if it’s for a good reason, like Firestar) that I’m surprised there isn’t an afterlife for them. I feel like the end of Vision of shadows hinted that that would happen at some point, but who knows if that will be the case.
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Post by silverstarpenguin on Sept 16, 2024 13:45:59 GMT -5
I always thought it was odd that he didn’t get into StarClan, at least in the end. What he did was awful and could’ve ended terribly, but as far as the code goes he did to help his Clan when he thought they were in danger. And if cats that operated under the same philosophy but did much worse (such as Mudclaw, Needletail, Hollyleaf, Skystar, initially Ashfur and even Blackstar and Onestar even with their redemptions), then he should’ve gotten in too. To be honest, the story has so many morally gray characters or characters that break the rules constantly (even if it’s for a good reason, like Firestar) that I’m surprised there isn’t an afterlife for them. I feel like the end of Vision of shadows hinted that that would happen at some point, but who knows if that will be the case. I agree! There should be an afterlife for morally gray cats only. I imagine them in a ghost-like state, walking amomg the living and offering their help to cats around the Clans. Perhaps, after they've proved their remorse, not just felt it, they should be allowed to join StarClan. But long as that doesn't exist, I'm still placing Juniperclaw in the Dark Forest because he was lucky no cat died because of the poisoning, but that doesn't minimalize the stakes of his actions.
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Sept 16, 2024 13:57:25 GMT -5
When Tigerstar II heard he died, he literally wished him well on his journey to Starclan. That should say enough but whatever
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on Sept 16, 2024 14:07:43 GMT -5
A comparable villain to Juniperclaw is Quick Water, who, ironically enough, terrorized ShadowClan because she thought it was best for SkyClan.
She was legit let into StarClan under the guise that she believed she was doing the right thing. The same should go for Juniperclaw. In life he was punished, and the act of saving cats trying to bring SkyClan back shows that he changed.
Juniperclaw story when?
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Post by asrise on Sept 16, 2024 16:17:38 GMT -5
A comparable villain to Juniperclaw is Quick Water, who, ironically enough, terrorized ShadowClan because she thought it was best for SkyClan. She was legit let into StarClan under the guise that she believed she was doing the right thing. The same should go for Juniperclaw. In life he was punished, and the act of saving cats trying to bring SkyClan back shows that he changed. Juniperclaw story when? I've heard the theory that StarClan was small enough not to judge Quick Water for doing the same thing, which I really like because it shows that they have grown more uncaring with time. Also Quick Water Arc when? It's alleged that all future clan conflict starts from this point, so I'd love to see what that actually means. Maybe with Moth Flight's kits? But yes, I think that Juniperclaw probably deserved StarClan. I hate the practice of characters being sent to the Dark Forest just because they had no chance to redeem themselves in life. (Frecklewish, Stumpytail, Juniperclaw...)
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Post by dandelions on Sept 16, 2024 16:31:51 GMT -5
I genuinely think if they’d answered this question in AVoS instead of TBC, he would have been in StarClan. TBC seems confused about what he actually did, at one point they wrongly say he poisoned his own clan, and then later on they correct that but say saving Shadowkit wasn’t enough to redeem him. They completely forget he still had a chance at survival after saving Shadowkit but gave it up to save Violetshine, a SkyClan cat who was expecting kits (which he explicitly knew). Self-sacrifice to save the new lake territories generation of SkyClan after resorting to such extremes to drive them out feels like a pretty powerful sign of authentic reformation to me.
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Post by finland on Sept 16, 2024 19:20:37 GMT -5
A comparable villain to Juniperclaw is Quick Water, who, ironically enough, terrorized ShadowClan because she thought it was best for SkyClan. She was legit let into StarClan under the guise that she believed she was doing the right thing. The same should go for Juniperclaw. In life he was punished, and the act of saving cats trying to bring SkyClan back shows that he changed. Juniperclaw story when? Exactly! I was thinking about all the cats who did just as bad or worse things who got into StarClan. StarClan is strange
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Post by duskflower on Sept 16, 2024 19:47:10 GMT -5
He deserved StarClan. they let Mudclaw in (deservedly) for doing something just as heinous and ofc Ashfur also got in. Juniperclaw showed full on remorse and made up for it by sacrificing his life. StarClan needs whole revamp on their criteria and admission process but what else is new.
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Post by finland on Sept 20, 2024 15:16:59 GMT -5
He deserved StarClan. they let Mudclaw in (deservedly) for doing something just as heinous and ofc Ashfur also got in. Juniperclaw showed full on remorse and made up for it by sacrificing his life. StarClan needs whole revamp on their criteria and admission process but what else is new. Exactly. Mudclaw also showed remorse which is likely why he's in StarClan
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