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Post by Pixie on Sept 14, 2024 14:36:57 GMT -5
Since Star releases soon, what are some of your final predictions for who the next RiverClan leader will be?
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Post by Whispering Willow on Sept 14, 2024 14:44:54 GMT -5
Really feels to me like they're setting Icewing up for leadership, especially given her roles in IH and Star so far - or it's a red herring and she'll die before she can become leader. I don't know what they're doing with Frostpaw, I can't tell if them calling her a medicine cat in the Star excerpt is an accident or if she's decided to be one again, it's not clear. |
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 14, 2024 14:49:57 GMT -5
I still hope it will be Frostpaw but would not be mad at this point if it does end up being Icewing since she is a pretty neat background character and it would indeed give her some more spotlight if she does ascend to leadership status.
Or they pull a fast one and still kill her off despite of (or because of) the apparent focus she recently had in IH while on the quest with Ivypool. I would honestly just prefer for her to retire to the elders and have a younger cat take charge of RiverClan (in a good way, not the bs Splashtail is currently pulling with Podlight's help).
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 14, 2024 14:53:36 GMT -5
Prefer Icewing, because of Frostpaw's current characterization I just don't think she's ready for that kind of responsibility. And Icewing is being set up to be a more responsible role and even a teacher/leader in some cases. She's a better pick than more RiverClan cats at the moment.
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Post by wygolvillage on Sept 14, 2024 14:57:21 GMT -5
I love Icewing, but it's been forever since we had a protagonist become leader and I really really want that. Frostpaw is the chosen one!!!
I kind of like the idea of Icewing as her deputy or advisor though, to make up for her inexperience. Maybe even in a sort of "co-leader" more equal and collaborative leadership structure. Would be cool.
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Post by asrise on Sept 14, 2024 15:54:43 GMT -5
FROSTSTAR RAAAHHHH!
But in all seriousness there is probably a larger chance of it being Icewing. I just think that Froststar is way cooler in almost every way. I think I already wrote about this, but I just think it would be nice for Frostpaw to grow into the leader that everyone has been hounding her to choose, and she already has grown a lot in that respect. Kind of 'the power was within you the whole time'. I know it's cliche, but isn't most of WC? Besides, it's been a while since there has been a protagonist leader, or even a young leader. The thing about Icewing is that she's a good character, but a boring leader. Not that I want her to die, though!
There's also a part of me that hopes for more Frostpaw content, maybe as a book where she is adjusting to leadership and putting into place all the things she learned from Riverstar and the Cats of the Park? That is the best case scenario, for me. But I will probably be okay with an Icestar, and I think that's what I'll get.
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Post by Frostdawn on Sept 14, 2024 17:12:26 GMT -5
Ivypool’s Heart pretty much confirms Icestar. Frostpaw if she survives will be the medicine cat.
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Post by tumblepaw on Sept 14, 2024 18:36:47 GMT -5
I really hope it’s not Frostpaw. Poor baby was given so much responsibility since she was 6 moons old. It seems kinda cruel to give her even more. Let her be a normal warrior or medicine cat— whichever she prefers. I like Icewing as leader.  She’s been stepping up in the recent arc a lot. The only concern is her connection to Shadowclan. Maybe a deputy who lacks that connection will make things better? |
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Post by brightheartt on Sept 15, 2024 5:39:30 GMT -5
The main thing holding back Icestar is ironically Ivypool’s Heart. Will she get back in time to be there for RiverClan? I really don’t want her to turn up 5 chapters before the end and then be declared the leader after being absent for most of Star. Before now her only notable presence in asc has been during Shadow. So the timeline for her is looking like; says one line in book 1, reluctant to take leadership in book 2 and doesn’t do much, very present in book 3, does not appear in book 4, mostly absent in book 5, leaves to go on a moon-long journey at the start of book 6, and has a lot of growth in a separate super edition. I personally wouldn’t like the main basis for a character becoming leader in an arc all about who the next leader will be, being in a separate super edition that isn’t part of the arc.
She was great in Shadow, but her clanmates were actively against her and had no respect for her due to her working under Tigerstar. Would they accept her as their new leader at this point when they all rejected her so much before? Especially given how they’re behaving now. Although obviously you could also say the same for Frostpaw, but I think Frostpaw has a slight upper hand in that at least at one time her clanmates did respect her as an authority figure.
Icewing is a very good choice but there are just several factors holding her back for me. I think she would make a superb deputy though. Specifically to Froststar. Icewing has always supported Frostpaw, her primary role as a character in asc has been supporting Frostpaw and even her Ivypool’s Heart dream is encouraging her to go back and help Frostpaw. This could obviously also be showing what a great leader she would be of course and set up Frostpaw seeing these qualities in her ready to choose her as leader.
I personally think the last stage of Frostpaw’s growth will be during Star, and once she’s ready she will become leader. In the preview alone she’s already displayed some great traits. I do not think this will be something she totally chooses for herself though. I’m very sure she will get nine lives after Splashtail tries and succeeds to kill her. Or Riverstar will be like “Frostpaw you’re the one who is supposed to be leader”. Frostpaw’s primary drive is to save her clan, this is very intense in the preview for Star. Even if it doesn’t make her happiest or she doesn’t feel ready, I fully believe she would accept such responsibility from StarClan if it means helping her clan. She fully trusts Riverstar, if he told her she’s ready to be leader, I think ultimately she would accept this.
But honestly it could genuinely go either way. I would be happy with either Froststar or Icestar. I think they are definitely the two cats most suited to leading RiverClan but each have enough things holding them back for it not to be clear cut who will lead out of them. Ultimately though I feel that Frostpaw is a bit more likely, and it would feel more rewarding narratively in my opinion.
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Post by duskflower on Sept 16, 2024 19:53:04 GMT -5
It should be and deserves to be icewing. Why else is she so prominent? not only that but she has shown that can handle the job and is a calm, level-headed warrior who can admit she's wrong and learn from her mistakes. I cant think of a finer cat for the job. If its not her then maybe some other warrior that is directly chosen by StarClan. Preferably a female.
I dont really understand the push for Frostpaw to be leader. She is still very young, hasnt technically finished neither warrior or medicine cat training and we dont even know where they will put her at the end of the arc. imo making her leader would set a pretty bad precedent for the writing in the future.
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Post by asrise on Sept 16, 2024 20:12:31 GMT -5
It should be and deserves to be icewing. Why else is she so prominent? not only that but she has shown that can handle the job and is a calm, level-headed warrior who can admit she's wrong and learn from her mistakes. I cant think of a finer cat for the job. If its not her then maybe some other warrior that is directly chosen by StarClan. Preferably a female. I dont really understand the push for Frostpaw to be leader. She is still very young, hasnt technically finished neither warrior or medicine cat training and we dont even know where they will put her at the end of the arc. imo making her leader would set a pretty bad precedent for the writing in the future. What do you mean by a bad precedent for future writing? I don't personally get it, but I'm curious. |
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Post by kitters on Sept 16, 2024 20:27:35 GMT -5
Frostpaw would be more interesting cuz child prodigy and all that, I think the idea of a cat ascending from apprentice directly to leader is cool and new. But aside from being cool and new, it doesn't make much sense and there ARE a lot of better cats for the job.
How old is she now anyway? She's been an apprentice for so long.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 16, 2024 21:01:47 GMT -5
Frostpaw would be more interesting cuz child prodigy and all that, I think the idea of a cat ascending from apprentice directly to leader is cool and new. But aside from being cool and new, it doesn't make much sense and there ARE a lot of better cats for the job. How old is she now anyway? She's been an apprentice for so long. It’s really hard to tell since none of the other kits are apprentices. She’s probably max 15 or 14 moons. Maybe, younger, I can’t remember Long enough for her siblings to be overdue for their warrior names but if she remained a medicine cat, she’d still be an mca. River starts off with her as a new mca, so she was six moons at the start. But combining that with the lack of progress from the other litters of kits, she’s either barely 12 or just turned 11. Which doesn’t make sense for her siblings to be overdue for their warrior names early on either. Wiki does list her as 13 moons, which does make sense with my original guess of her age but doesn’t make sense within the continuity of her being freshly apprenticed in River. Since if seven moons have passed, we should certainly have tons of apprentices in ShadowClan, SkyClan, and WindClan, since those kits have been in the allegiances section for seven moons since the beginning of River. I’ll blame it on the editors not making more apprentices sooner and ruining that time consistency. |
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Post by duskflower on Sept 17, 2024 22:00:22 GMT -5
It should be and deserves to be icewing. Why else is she so prominent? not only that but she has shown that can handle the job and is a calm, level-headed warrior who can admit she's wrong and learn from her mistakes. I cant think of a finer cat for the job. If its not her then maybe some other warrior that is directly chosen by StarClan. Preferably a female. I dont really understand the push for Frostpaw to be leader. She is still very young, hasnt technically finished neither warrior or medicine cat training and we dont even know where they will put her at the end of the arc. imo making her leader would set a pretty bad precedent for the writing in the future. What do you mean by a bad precedent for future writing? I don't personally get it, but I'm curious. maybe not the writing so to say (im bad at phrasing things) i really mean that if they let someone go from apprentice to leader just like that it will invalid the whole journey a cat takes to be leader. the rules have already been discarded before and this would be too weird for me personally. |
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Post by minnowfur on Sept 18, 2024 22:45:35 GMT -5
I'm rooting for Frostpaw
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Sept 21, 2024 17:14:00 GMT -5
What do you mean by a bad precedent for future writing? I don't personally get it, but I'm curious. maybe not the writing so to say (im bad at phrasing things) i really mean that if they let someone go from apprentice to leader just like that it will invalid the whole journey a cat takes to be leader. the rules have already been discarded before and this would be too weird for me personally. As much as I’d like it to be Frostpaw, It would be the same for me. Maybe StarClan would give her both her warrior and her leader name (if it weren’t for the chaos she would most likely have her full name and I could easily see that being acknowledged as her taking the proper steps). Having someone being a leader without ever having an apprentice isn’t typical, but it has happened before (Tigerclaw in Shadowclan being the one that comes to mind if what he did in Thunderclan isn’t counted). Quite a few characters had their apprentices die or leave before they finished training (or in Brambleclaw’s case, had to wait until their apprentices were assigned because they were younger) and still became leaders. So that could still happen. It reminds me of a fanfiction where due to unusual circumstances, someone tried to become leader as an older apprentice overdue for a warrior name (probably around Firestar’s age). He had pretty much filled all of the requirements for becoming a leader and had the support of all his Clan, but when he consulted StarClan, They told him that it was an impossible for an apprentice to skip the warrior rank and go straight to leader, even though it was perfectly fine for him to skip deputy rank and otherwise did everything correctly. They indirectly told him to go speak with the medicine cat to get his name, and then come back. So that was exactly what he did and it was recognized. So maybe something like that. In the same story, someone had a similar problem. One of the Clans was left without a medicine cat, and there was a warrior apprentice about to finish his training. There was no one to give him his name, and he chose to train as a medicine cat instead. So when he consulted StarClan, they granted him his name immediately, accepted his new apprenticeship, and trained him themselves. It was again an unusual situation because the Clans were in tatters and the rest of the book was spent rebuilding everything, but it’s something that I could also see happening. |
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Post by fuzzpaw on Sept 21, 2024 17:23:43 GMT -5
Spoiler alert! In Star, A Starless Clan, Splashtail is announced as the leader of RiverClan.
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Post by Jaysnow on Sept 21, 2024 17:37:06 GMT -5
Spoiler alert! In Star, A Starless Clan, Splashtail is announced as the leader of RiverClan. Incorrect. In Wind, Splashtail proclaims himself as RiverClan's leader. He doesn't have StarClan's blessing. The succession crisis isn't solved yet, we don't know who'll be the real next leader until Star comes out. |
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Post by fuzzpaw on Sept 21, 2024 17:41:14 GMT -5
Ok.....so the internet is wrong. But hey, elders are wiser than kits!
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Post by fuzzpaw on Sept 21, 2024 17:46:56 GMT -5
.....I think that Star already came out. Did it? I might be wrong, but I heard that it came out in 2024...
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Post by moongloweevee on Sept 21, 2024 17:48:53 GMT -5
.....I think that Star already came out. Did it? I might be wrong, but I heard that it came out in 2024... The excerpt is out. The book itself doesn't come out until November. |
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Post by seekingdecay on Sept 24, 2024 16:35:05 GMT -5
The most reasonable choice for RCs leader is Icestar, but I think Froststar would cause problems due to her inexperience which would make for a good conflict for RiverClan in a future book or arc. Though I also agree with someone else in this thread that Froststar jumping from apprentice to leader would be messy and break story conventions way more than some of the other changes we've gotten.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Sept 24, 2024 16:50:28 GMT -5
The most reasonable choice for RCs leader is Icestar, but I think Froststar would cause problems due to her inexperience which would make for a good conflict for RiverClan in a future book or arc. Though I also agree with someone else in this thread that Froststar jumping from apprentice to leader would be messy and break story conventions way more than some of the other changes we've gotten. That would make sense, but she gets her development in the side story that readers might not ever end. So that would be pretty frustrating for people not keeping up with that. The books have otherwise done a good job making it people don’t want to read the sides words don’t have to in order to keep up with the lore (this also includes early modern Skyclan). So making one required would not be in good taste… And considering this this whole story is about changes to the warrior code and what they bring, Froststar would be the perfect example of that. And it would definitely be interesting having a young leader again, considering we haven’t had that since Firestar in the first arc. |
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Sept 24, 2024 20:48:33 GMT -5
Fingers crossed for Icestar. She's the only viable option in my mind. Frostpaw being leader is just... so unrealistic. |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 24, 2024 21:02:22 GMT -5
not my dumb brain just now realizing that “a starless clan” refers to the lack of leadership (-star) in RiverClan. this whole time i assumed some sort of lack of starclan and was trying to figure out why when that’s not strictly the case.
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Post by کیوان on Sept 25, 2024 0:30:08 GMT -5
GIVE ME FROSTSTAR OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!
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Post by 「Wιитεяичgнт」 on Sept 26, 2024 3:49:08 GMT -5
Please no Froststar... I want her to be the next medicine cat. Let's face it. If Mothwing doesn't die in star, shes going to next arc and Frostpaw is the only one that could fill the role.
I'd be okay with Icestar but I would like another background character to step into the spotlight as well.
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Post by fuzzpaw on Sept 28, 2024 18:03:17 GMT -5
I agree. Froststar is much better off being a medicine cat then a leader.
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She’s been stepping up in the recent arc a lot. The only concern is her connection to Shadowclan. Maybe a deputy who lacks that connection will make things better?
