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Post by ombredecorbeau2003 on Jul 31, 2024 19:18:20 GMT -5
Mistystar is really bad as a leader in AVoS, Squirrelflight's Hope, and TBC. She did everything wrong: closing RiverClan's borders; attacking ShadowClan to reclaim the swamps, thus provoking the battle against the Sisters, which could have been avoided otherwise; exiling Mothwing, even though Mistystar herself is a Codebreaker, and thus acting exactly like Leopardstar did towards her, Stonefur, Stormfur, and Feathertail, when Tigerstar imprisoned them for being half-Clans; collaborating with Ashfur to attack ShadowClan; and finally exiling Icewing and Harelight. Thankfully, she ended her leadership on a high note, going to the Dark Forest to fight Ashfur and receiving the title of Light in the Mist. But most importantly Mistystar's poor choices as a leader partly resulted in Curlfeather and Splashtail becoming leaders of RiverClan, leading to Reedwhisker's death, RiverClan's annexation by ShadowClan, and Splashtail's leadership.
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Post by asrise on Jul 31, 2024 20:10:57 GMT -5
I think her treatment of all the codebreakers in TBC was really terrible. Does anyone else remember how she purposely had Dappletuft's burial be dishonourable and refused to let his family say goodbye to him? And then she never said she was sorry for this for the rest of her life, even though she found out he was in the right? That was pretty gross for me. How she exiled Harelight and Icewing knowing full well they were fighting on the right side just because they weren't fighting with her? I just think she's either ineffective, isolationist or outwardly nasty and closeminded. Personally her trip to the Dark forest was not enough to make up for her own views and actions, which were almost in line with the imposter's without much prompting. I think the books were just trying to convince us that she's not a totally horrible leader there.
And outside of that, her leadership style was isolationist to a fault. It led to her failure against Darktail, her staunchness against the codebreakers, and it finally left RiverClan weak when she died.
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jul 31, 2024 22:06:02 GMT -5
In my opinion, Mistystar is nearly right up there with Leopardstar. The only reason Leopardstar is worse is because of the Bonehill incident with Stonefur, of which Mistystar was also a victim. Mistystar turned out to be very hypocritical and selfish, a very similar leader to Leopardstar. Yes, sometimes leaders have to be selfish, but it seemed like Mistystar was almost always looking for an excuse not to help other Clans or to keep herself uninvolved with anything that was going on. To be isolationist, as asrise put it. When she did insert herself, she often seemed to end up siding with the leader(s) who was/were wrong in a situation (one instance I've seen nobody mention yet is how she supported Tigerstar in getting SkyClan to leave the lake). By the time that she went into the Dark Forest, she was too far gone for me.
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Post by deerspirit on Aug 1, 2024 7:30:29 GMT -5
Mistystar was not a good leader. The tragedy is because of her stupid decisions two potentially great leaders: Reedwhisker and Harelight, were killed.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 1, 2024 12:27:33 GMT -5
embodiment of “die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain”
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Post by Sunleap on Aug 1, 2024 15:17:03 GMT -5
embodiment of “die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain” Honestly there are quite a few warriors characters who fit this though. The Erin's can't keep a cat consistent.
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Post by flipwish on Aug 1, 2024 16:34:13 GMT -5
I'm not gonna deny that Mistystar made bad choices, but in what world is she at fault for what happened to Reedwhisker and Harelight
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Post by deerspirit on Aug 1, 2024 17:21:44 GMT -5
I'm not gonna deny that Mistystar made bad choices, but in what world is she at fault for what happened to Reedwhisker and Harelight She’s at fault because her poor decisions led to Curlfeather’s and Splashtail’s radicalization which led to the murder of Reedwhisker and Splashtail taking power and murdering Harelight. Therefore Mistystar’s poor decisions led to the chaos currently going on in RiverClan.
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Post by 🎃👻🦇Brambleheart🦇👻🎃 on Aug 1, 2024 18:59:58 GMT -5
I'm not gonna deny that Mistystar made bad choices, but in what world is she at fault for what happened to Reedwhisker and Harelight She’s at fault because her poor decisions led to Curlfeather’s and Splashtail’s radicalization which led to the murder of Reedwhisker and Splashtail taking power and murdering Harelight. Therefore Mistystar’s poor decisions led to the chaos currently going on in RiverClan. while her poor decisions did lead to their developing views, it isn't her fault. that's like saying that the clans are at fault for berryheart's extremism. while the actions and changes do shape extremism, any actions that extremists do are their own choices and doings.
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Post by Slightdapple on Aug 2, 2024 18:40:11 GMT -5
She was an awful leader in TBC and her decisions in AVOS weren’t much better. She was also unnecessarily rude to Mothwing in Mistystar’s Omem. Also, I realized that Lizardtail must have despised Mistystar: two of his kits fought against the imposter and one was killed and not given a vigil while the other was exiled. Not to mention that Softpelt also died in the same battle.
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Post by Whispering Willow on Aug 2, 2024 19:29:47 GMT -5
She’s at fault because her poor decisions led to Curlfeather’s and Splashtail’s radicalization which led to the murder of Reedwhisker and Splashtail taking power and murdering Harelight. Therefore Mistystar’s poor decisions led to the chaos currently going on in RiverClan. while her poor decisions did lead to their developing views, it isn't her fault. that's like saying that the clans are at fault for berryheart's extremism. while the actions and changes do shape extremism, any actions that extremists do are their own choices and doings. This is one thing I will grant Mistystar. Curlfeather and Splashtail's actions were not her fault. Her actions may have influenced their beliefs (and, to be honest, Splashtail was influenced far more by Curlfeather; murder and power were not on his schedule until she approached him), but to say that Mistystar is to blame for the decisions they made and the actions they took is wrong. Their actions are their responsibility, not hers.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Aug 3, 2024 19:07:23 GMT -5
Mistystar was fine until AVOS and beyond.
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 3, 2024 19:25:41 GMT -5
Mistystar was fine until AVOS and beyond. My belief is that she was a mostly mediocre leader until like, The Broken Code where she became horrible rather abruptly. As a character, she's pretty consistently good/alright (although I am glad she didn't win the Super Edition poll that one year, whenever that was. I don't think a Mistystar SE would be particularly interesting, and she already has Mistystar's Omen).
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Aug 3, 2024 19:36:49 GMT -5
Mistystar was fine until AVOS and beyond. My belief is that she was a mostly mediocre leader until like, The Broken Code where she became horrible rather abruptly. As a character, she's pretty consistently good/alright (although I am glad she didn't win the Super Edition poll that one year, whenever that was. I don't think a Mistystar SE would be particularly interesting, and she already has Mistystar's Omen). Well, she did learn from the best. lol I'm also glad she didn't get a super edition. We already know a lot about her.
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