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Post by asrise on Jul 22, 2024 7:57:16 GMT -5
I know a lot of people hate him, but I can't help but be absolutely fascinated with the guy.
He's probably one of the most transparently selfish non-villains, and I think he does make an... interesting leader for ShadowClan. I've heard people say that he isn't consistent in his decisions as leader, but honestly I think he is. He's consistently shown to prioritize his family over the clan, to the point where he will start wars over them. He's also always been more active, whether that means attacking clans or taking in banished cats. He's also about as mature as he was in OotS, imo. I don't think he's a good leader, but he does have reasons for what he does. (Bad ones) He reminds me of a politician, and I mean that in the worst way possible.
I also think that he's made a massive mark on the 'new' series (AVoS, TBC, ASC) and they would really not be the same without him. If I was given the opportunity, I would not have replaced him with Tawnypelt, because he has carried the plot of these recent arcs. Even though he can be really annoying, he really is post-OoTS ShadowClan to me. It would be very hard to remove him!
The only thing that really drove me up the wall about him was how the plot was bending in his favour to justify his actions. Fortunately this seems to be stopping in ASC, with the whole RiverClan invasion. My favourite scene is probably when he asks everyone to complain about him, so he can look fair, and then tells Frostpaw to shut up as soon as she makes a comment.
Anyways, that's it. What do you think about his leadership? Do you want him to step down in Star?
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Post by کیوان on Jul 22, 2024 8:14:50 GMT -5
We already know he’s going to stay leader going into Changing Skies, but I find it sad how a large portion of the fandom goes after male leaders for getting away with things only to praise this guy without end. A lot of my cynicism for the WC fandom stems from this.
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flipwish
when do we get more hairless warrior cats
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Post by flipwish on Jul 22, 2024 9:13:15 GMT -5
I think he's a pretty run of the mill leader. He's selfish and stubborn and stupid at times, and when you think about it that's...pretty typical clan leader behavior honestly. I don't particularly like him though.
Also I think it's almost interesting but mostly funny to compare his asc actions to this line from AVoS:
"With a shiver, [Alderheart] wondered what terrible vengeance a grieving father would wreak upon the forest."
Like well the answer was a temporary takeover that isn't even that bad compared to some of the things the clans have done in the past. Yawn
As for the question of him stepping down- even if he doesn't in Star CS's blurb makes me think he's nearing the end of his leadership which is for the best I think. Especially since right now we're risking a world with Crowstar, Harestar, and Tigerstar all at once. Ugh
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Post by کیوان on Jul 22, 2024 10:01:44 GMT -5
I think he's a pretty run of the mill leader. He's selfish and stubborn and stupid at times, and when you think about it that's...pretty typical clan leader behavior honestly. I don't particularly like him though. Also I think it's almost interesting but mostly funny to compare his asc actions to this line from AVoS: "With a shiver, [Alderheart] wondered what terrible vengeance a grieving father would wreak upon the forest." Like well the answer was a temporary takeover that isn't even that bad compared to some of the things the clans have done in the past. Yawn As for the question of him stepping down- even if he doesn't in Star CS's blurb makes me think he's nearing the end of his leadership which is for the best I think. Especially since right now we're risking a world with Crowstar, Harestar, and Tigerstar all at once. Ugh Wait, Crowstar and Harestar at the same time? Nice AU you got there.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 22, 2024 10:05:53 GMT -5
The real problem originates from the way Tigerheart's Shadow hyped him up to the moon and back, only for the reality to not be anything like that. Tigerheart's Shadow is the problem child here and I think if the series had been more honest about how he's a jerk (which is true in the main series books and the following super editions), he would have been better received than he is now with that albatross around his neck.
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Non-binary
flipwish
when do we get more hairless warrior cats
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Post by flipwish on Jul 22, 2024 10:32:02 GMT -5
I think he's a pretty run of the mill leader. He's selfish and stubborn and stupid at times, and when you think about it that's...pretty typical clan leader behavior honestly. I don't particularly like him though. Also I think it's almost interesting but mostly funny to compare his asc actions to this line from AVoS: "With a shiver, [Alderheart] wondered what terrible vengeance a grieving father would wreak upon the forest." Like well the answer was a temporary takeover that isn't even that bad compared to some of the things the clans have done in the past. Yawn As for the question of him stepping down- even if he doesn't in Star CS's blurb makes me think he's nearing the end of his leadership which is for the best I think. Especially since right now we're risking a world with Crowstar, Harestar, and Tigerstar all at once. Ugh Wait, Crowstar and Harestar at the same time? Nice AU you got there. Nah, it's totally a leak for Changing Skies. Source: Harestar told me
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Asexual
Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Jul 23, 2024 20:42:45 GMT -5
I find him very annoying. I liked Blackstar as ShadowClan's leader, because he was an incredibly morally grey character and was yes, a bit antagonistic in his leadership but at times if the clans needed help you didn't know if he would agree straight away or not..... He was just kind of the echoes of 'old school' ShadowClan, invested in bettering his Clan for their own gains and quite transparently so. A bit sly but everyone kind of knew what he was about.
But Tigerstar I find kind of..... weird. He seems to swing wildly between being overly invested in the other Clans and not wanting to be involved. I found him boring in his book and outright infuriating in Squirrelflight's Hope. So much of the conflict between the Clans and The Sisters could have been avoided if he just LISTENED and WAITED for another moon or two, but instead decided to bully Leafstar into what he wanted. It was very unnecessary. Wasn't a big fan of his takeover of RiverClan in ASC- flashbacks to arc one personally.
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Post by asrise on Jul 24, 2024 8:36:58 GMT -5
I actually really like the temporary takeover plotline. I know a lot of people think its boring but an actual occupation has never really been attempted, and I like how it inflamed tensions enough to the point where Splashtail became more accepted as a leader. Also having the long withdrawal in there was good for clan politics imo. It really did paint the picture of a shattered RiverClan far better than whatever was happening before.
Having it create instability in ShadowClan also was a good decision that complicated a lot of the characters like Tigerstar and Berryheart. But I still think Tigerstar was doing it entirely for his own revenge and for his own family, which is a nice flip from his actions in TBC where he did something morally good for the same selfish reasons.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 24, 2024 9:50:24 GMT -5
He would be a perfect typecast for a ShadowClan leader, if it weren’t for the insufferable self-righteous air about him that is usually reserved for ThunderClan cats. When I think "ShadowClan", I don't usually expect a character constantly claiming the moral high ground.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 29, 2024 10:43:59 GMT -5
I think most of the whiplash comes from how he flip-flops from making decent decisions (Standing up to Ashfur, taking in the exiled cats, reinstating ShadowClan) to being the editors' go-to character for when they need someone to cause problems. The self-righteous aura could be bearable if it were more acknowledged in the books as opposed to Tigerstar's less favourable actions getting swept under the rug. Some of them leads to interesting narrative development, such as his occupation of RiverClan, but certainly doesn't make it any less frustrating.
Granted I think the accusations of him being worse than the likes of Stalin or Mao Zedong are laughable. He's not a great leader, but come on now.
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Post by کیوان on Jul 29, 2024 11:25:47 GMT -5
Granted I think the accusations of him being worse than the likes of Stalin or Mao Zedong are laughable. He's not a great leader, but come on now. r/thathappened 🙄
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 29, 2024 11:31:05 GMT -5
Granted I think the accusations of him being worse than the likes of Stalin or Mao Zedong are laughable. He's not a great leader, but come on now. r/thathappened 🙄 I wish. I've seen it a couple of times on here and people tend to preach it on Twitter.
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Post by Ivypool on Jul 29, 2024 12:23:53 GMT -5
He and Harestar are currently my favorite leader’s. I just love how he usually has some snarky comment that summarizes the book. His one about Splashtail in Wind is absolute gold.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 30, 2024 5:34:49 GMT -5
I find it interesting as of the recent books that he's at least more consistent than Squirrelflight, and I find myself agreeing with him more. Which I just...never thought would happen, but here we are. However, I think my gripe with him is more so that he just... doesn't feel like he earned his position. Ironically he is just a more likable version of Squirrel but ShadowClan version when it comes to character writing. Consistent, but too stagnant, and irritating while the plot practically hands him immunity.
However, I can't say he's boring at least (as much as I like Harestar more I need him to do something soon), and he's not exactly evil either, really it's the bare minimum. So I'm still hoping for Cloverstar, but knowing the writer bias, he'll most likely be around for just an unnecessary amount of time, maybe even until the end game of the series.
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Post by Wolfyy- on Aug 2, 2024 10:07:14 GMT -5
He would be a perfect typecast for a ShadowClan leader, if it weren’t for the insufferable self-righteous air about him that is usually reserved for ThunderClan cats. When I think "ShadowClan", I don't usually expect a character constantly claiming the moral high ground. Well, he IS half Thunderclan... XD
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Aug 3, 2024 19:19:42 GMT -5
He's annoying, but I guess he makes the series a tiny bit interesting. I highly doubt he'll step down anytime soon.
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 3, 2024 19:31:27 GMT -5
I don't like him as much as a leader, I liked him more when he was Tigerheart. But I don't hate him. But he's not like, this ruthless dictator like some people like to claim.
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