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Post by Leonard on Jul 18, 2024 5:01:38 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 18, 2024 5:20:06 GMT -5
Woo! Aww, Ivypool and Rootspring meet up to talk about Bristlefrost! That's really bittersweet! And now we know exactly when this takes place in the timeline; poor Frostpaw didn't even get to say goodbye to Whistlepaw. And I was wondering if Rootspring was ever going to get a new love interest eventually, so it's kinda funny that they confirmed Wrenflight having a crush on him (unreciprocated as it is), especially since she was scared of his father as a kit. And it's always nice seeing Dovewing and Ivypool actually act like sisters, so I'm actually looking forward to seeing how they'll be portrayed for the rest of the book. Also, I guess Icewing going eliminates her from leadership, unless the group comes back like halfway through Star or something, but I'm glad she's still been given a big role all the same.
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Post by asrise on Jul 18, 2024 7:35:21 GMT -5
Finally! Okay, so this is somewhat helping my worries about this super edition. I like it so far, though I'm a little disappointed that Whistlepaw is leaving before she even says anything to Frostpaw. I'm hoping that they return before the end of Star! I like how Ivypool is talking to others to process her grief, like Rootspring and Dovewing. It's refreshing for them to just be sisters. I wonder what the prophesy means for the series exactly. Does it mean that these next two super editions will be supporting the plot of Star? I wonder if the creatures with an ancient connection to the clans will turn out to be the park cats again. Will this be where they get the new leader of RiverClan? That seems likely if these next two super editions are connected to ASC. But there's still a lot up in the air for now. (And I can still hope for Froststar...)
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Post by کیوان on Jul 18, 2024 8:07:20 GMT -5
Thoughts, thoughts, so many thoughts... Ok, why isn't Frostpaw in the Allegiances? Have they done this before? Really like how Ivy and Root are sharing their feelings, but I'm especially happy with Fernsong. What a lad. Poor Frostpaw, not having a chance to speak with Whistle. At least we know the protagonist trio's taking care of the Runaway Three. Heh, Antpelt Whistlepaw doodling is canon Cinderheart as temporary deputy is interesting, I guess they don't want TC without a deputy REALLY not happy with Squelch going off on Ivypool for not supporting her leader. The irony is wild. Dovewing not taking a hint is very much in character though. At least she's consistent.
Very curious to see how this plays out.
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Post by Frostdawn on Jul 18, 2024 8:07:44 GMT -5
This was an interesting excerpt. Can't wait to see where it leads.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 18, 2024 9:22:17 GMT -5
I don't think it was touched upon in OotS, but interesting that Ivypool has regrets about killing Antpelt. I love Fernsong and Ivypool! I also think Fernsong brings up some good points. It's normal to miss your daughter, but it's no good to live in the past and unable to move on from grief.
But in Wind, Harestar accepts that Splashtail is a fraud, no? I'm assuming this is just an inconsistency.
They're self-aware at this point, right?
I'm intrigued on what this "debt to repay" is. My first thought is somehow another lost Clan/group that's been largely forgotten to history, but Ivypool implying it's got something to do with the Dark Forest? Hm. Though it looks like we'll get some sisterly bonding between Ivypool and Dovewing. I 100% believe they're going to confide in each other about losing a kit. Wrenflight absolutely has a crush on Rootspring too. I like that Cinderheart is temporary deputy, though tbh I would have liked to see Lionblaze fill in for it since he already has experience. But then again, he didn't want to be deputy back when Squirrelflight became leader.
Yay, more Icewing relevance! I guess we get some small spoilers into what happens in Star, but that's a given. I guess this means Icewing doesn't become RiverClan's leader?
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Post by flipwish on Jul 18, 2024 9:38:37 GMT -5
do you ever just read something and go uggggh the fandom is gonna gonna misinterpret this so badly. bc that's how i feel about the scene w fernsong in chapter one. remember my prediction when people go omg ivypool is so abusive to fernsong she threatened him!!!
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Post by Woofzie on Jul 18, 2024 9:53:16 GMT -5
I don't even like Ivypool. I wasn't even excited for the premise of this SE. But these first chapters made me feel. They really struck me, the grief feels so raw and real. I loved the characterization of Fernsong, Rootspring and, surprisingly, Dovewing and Ivypool. I'm liking this very much, so far.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 18, 2024 9:57:49 GMT -5
do you ever just read something and go uggggh the fandom is gonna gonna misinterpret this so badly. bc that's how i feel about the scene w fernsong in chapter one. remember my prediction when people go omg ivypool is so abusive to fernsong she threatened him!!! Alternatively, it will be "Fernsong is so dismissive of Ivypool's feelings! He told her to get over the fact that their daughter died!". People are wild.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 18, 2024 10:23:34 GMT -5
I’m so excited for this book. I also love all the characterizations so far, and I’m not even a big fan of Dovewing, but I’m liking the journey group alot. And godddd I love love love Fernsong, he is wonderful, and the perfect mate for Ivypool. I especially love how real Ivypool’s grief is, that simple talks about it aren’t just magically solving everything. I love journey plots, so I’m eating wonderfully right now!
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Post by stupidflower on Jul 18, 2024 10:59:49 GMT -5
This is the strongest intro to a Super Edition yet in my opinion. There’s a lot to like here.
I wonder what Whistlepaw’s vision is about and who the brown tom is. I was thinking Mapleshade’s kits a bit, as an ancient wrong, but it’s very unlikely.
I love Fernsong and Ivypool’s relationship. They’re polar opposites. Ivypool is stuck in her past and trauma, emotional and quick to anger. Fernsong tries to look forward and not dwell on the past, even if it hurts. He never gets angry with Ivypool, even when she accuses him of not caring enough about his daughter, and is just understanding and patient. They’re adorable!
Rootspring is clearly hardened by what happened to him and Bristlefrost. I hope the rest of the book explores this more. Interesting that Wrenflight has a crush on him, I thought it would be Turtlecrawl. They called her gray and white when in the allegiances she’s always been golden lol. It was interesting how Ivypool implied she’d be angry if Rootspring took another mate, which is so sad yet realistic.
Interesting that they’re bringing back fading! We might get more of how that works. That plus a vision from outside StarClan, relevance to fading cats, and some ancient wrong, this book will probably do wonders for worldbuilding and answer a lot of questions. I’m thinking the prophecies come from faded cats perhaps, but I’m not too certain where this is going.
Ivypool is still traumatized from killing Antpelt. Nice detail there.
Whistlepaw drawing is fun, and her dream was one of the most creative and interesting of dreams we’ve seen. Cinderheart as deputy is interesting, and nice that they remembered her being Ivypool’s mentor. It was funny how Ivypool thinks she hasn’t lost any close cats besides Bristlefrost, even though her first apprentice Snowbush is in StarClan. Oops!
Mothwing needed treatment? That doesn’t bode very well.
I love that Icewing is here! Her character will be able to develop well among more fleshed out cats, and I REALLY hope there’s a scene where she and Ivypool discuss losing their kits to the Dark Forest forever. I think talking to someone who lost their kit similarly so long ago could help her.
Overall the way Ivypool’s grief has been written is so nice and refreshing. And there’s a lot of good quotes too.
“Are you thinking about Bristlefrost?” “I’m always thinking about Bristlefrost.”
“You don’t understand!” “Perhaps I don’t. I know how much I miss Bristlefrost. But I don’t know how it feels for you.”
“Remember that I helped look after Bristlefrost in the nursery when she was a tiny kit. I loved her very much. I remember every hair on her pelt, every paw step. I remember how she loved to play moss ball, and how proud she was when she caught her first mouse. I miss her more than I can say. But she’s gone, and we have to find a way to live in the present.”
Hits in the feels. I am SO pleasantly surprised.
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Post by 🎄ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ🎅 on Jul 18, 2024 11:05:55 GMT -5
This is the strongest intro to a Super Edition yet in my opinion. There’s a lot to like here.
I wonder what Whistlepaw’s vision is about and who the brown tom is. I was thinking Mapleshade’s kits a bit, as an ancient wrong, but it’s very unlikely.
I love Fernsong and Ivypool’s relationship. They’re polar opposites. Ivypool is stuck in her past and trauma, emotional and quick to anger. Fernsong tries to look forward and not dwell on the past, even if it hurts. He never gets angry with Ivypool, even when she accuses him of not caring enough about his daughter, and is just understanding and patient. They’re adorable!
Rootspring is clearly hardened by what happened to him and Bristlefrost. I hope the rest of the book explores this more. Interesting that Wrenflight has a crush on him, I thought it would be Turtlecrawl. They called her gray and white when in the allegiances she’s always been golden lol. It was interesting how Ivypool implied she’d be angry if Rootspring took another mate, which is so sad yet realistic.
Interesting that they’re bringing back fading! We might get more of how that works. That plus a vision from outside StarClan, relevance to fading cats, and some ancient wrong, this book will probably do wonders for worldbuilding and answer a lot of questions. I’m thinking the prophecies come from faded cats perhaps, but I’m not too certain where this is going.
Ivypool is still traumatized from killing Antpelt. Nice detail there.
Whistlepaw drawing is fun, and her dream was one of the most creative and interesting of dreams we’ve seen. Cinderheart as deputy is interesting, and nice that they remembered her being Ivypool’s mentor. It was funny how Ivypool thinks she hasn’t lost any close cats besides Bristlefrost, even though her first apprentice Snowbush is in StarClan. Oops!
Mothwing needed treatment? That doesn’t bode very well.
I love that Icewing is here! Her character will be able to develop well among more fleshed out cats, and I REALLY hope there’s a scene where she and Ivypool discuss losing their kits to the Dark Forest forever. I think talking to someone who lost their kit similarly so long ago could help her.
Overall the way Ivypool’s grief has been written is so nice and refreshing. And there’s a lot of good quotes too.
“Are you thinking about Bristlefrost?” “I’m always thinking about Bristlefrost.”
“You don’t understand!” “Perhaps I don’t. I know how much I miss Bristlefrost. But I don’t know how it feels for you.”
“Remember that I helped look after Bristlefrost in the nursery when she was a tiny kit. I loved her very much. I remember every hair on her pelt, every paw step. I remember how she loved to play moss ball, and how proud she was when she caught her first mouse. I miss her more than I can say. But she’s gone, and we have to find a way to live in the present.”
Hits in the feels. I am SO pleasantly surprised. Almost my exact thoughts
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Post by maggotpaw on Jul 18, 2024 12:40:01 GMT -5
Squirrelstar when the clearly grieving mother she appointed as her deputy isn’t meeting expectations
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Post by کیوان on Jul 18, 2024 12:42:21 GMT -5
Squirrelstar when the clearly grieving mother she appointed as her deputy isn’t meeting expectations Ikr, she learned nothing from the Sparkpelt episode in SqH and I hate it
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Post by Katanaheart on Jul 18, 2024 12:49:24 GMT -5
Squirrelstar when the clearly grieving mother she appointed as her deputy isn’t meeting expectations Ikr, she learned nothing from the Sparkpelt episode in SqH and I hate it Now if only Ivypool had a second litter with a dead mate, ole’ Squirrely would be clamoring to raise them and name them like she did with Sparkpelt’s litter.
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Post by کیوان on Jul 18, 2024 13:00:29 GMT -5
Ikr, she learned nothing from the Sparkpelt episode in SqH and I hate it Now if only Ivypool had a second litter with a dead mate, ole’ Squirrely would be clamoring to raise them and name them like she did with Sparkpelt’s litter. Quick! Act surprised! 🙄
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 18, 2024 13:12:23 GMT -5
I feel like it's worth pointing out that Squirrelstar knows exactly what Ivypool is going through, considering she herself has lost three kits already. Yes, she could be more sympathetic, but I don't think she's being all that harsh, either. If anything, she's being no different than Fernsong or even Dovewing, even telling her to take the time to heal while she's gone. That said, I definitely won't be surprised if Ivypool steps down after she gets back and we eventually get Cinderstar instead (which is especially funny, because this was actually something Vicky had rooted for).
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Post by moongloweevee on Jul 18, 2024 13:23:10 GMT -5
I feel like it's worth pointing out that Squirrelstar knows exactly what Ivypool is going through, considering she herself has lost three kits already. Yes, she could be more sympathetic, but I don't think she's being all that harsh, either. If anything, she's being no different than Fernsong or even Dovewing, even telling her to take the time to heal while she's gone. That said, I definitely won't be surprised if Ivypool steps down after she gets back and we eventually get Cinderstar instead (which is especially funny, because this was actually something Vicky had rooted for). At the same time, both Squirrelflight and Dovewing have something that Ivypool and Fernsong won't ever have and that's the knowledge of knowing they can see their kits after they die. Both Ivypool and Fernsong are allowed to grieve in different ways but I love that Bristlefrost vanishing has a major impact on a character like this. It's been something I've been wanting to see in Warriors for a while because most of the time, character deaths usually get brushed off with no major impact. I'm glad that decided to allow Ivypool and Rootspring to deal with their grief which impacts their feelings and thoughts and not just be brushed to the side.
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Post by flipwish on Jul 18, 2024 13:25:04 GMT -5
i'll be honest. the squilf scene was another one i thought "oh god" about. i was right apparently. i agree she's not really being much different than dove and fern.
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Post by کیوان on Jul 18, 2024 13:26:23 GMT -5
I feel like it's worth pointing out that Squirrelstar knows exactly what Ivypool is going through, considering she herself has lost three kits already. Yes, she could be more sympathetic, but I don't think she's being all that harsh, either. If anything, she's being no different than Fernsong or even Dovewing, even telling her to take the time to heal while she's gone. That said, I definitely won't be surprised if Ivypool steps down after she gets back and we eventually get Cinderstar instead (which is especially funny, because this was actually something Vicky had rooted for). At the same time, both Squirrelflight and Dovewing have something that Ivypool and Fernsong won't ever have and that's the knowledge of knowing they can see their kits after they die. Both Ivypool and Fernsong are allowed to grieve in different ways but I love that Bristlefrost vanishing has a major impact on a character like this. It's been something I've been wanting to see in Warriors for a while because most of the time, character deaths usually get brushed off with no major impact. I'm glad that decided to allow Ivypool and Rootspring to deal with their grief which impacts their feelings and thoughts and not just be brushed to the side. It reminds me of when someone made a meme with Rootspring and Crowfeather, and the discussion came up where Crowfeather will eventually see everyone he lost in StarClan, whereas Rootspring will never see Bristle again, period. It’s significantly different, and we’re exploring it here.
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Post by Sphinxwhisker on Jul 18, 2024 13:43:55 GMT -5
Cherith never ceases pull at the heartstrings. This actually has me pretty hyped for this SE.
Might be overthinking it. But Dovewing’s behavior immediately strikes that she’s been deprived of social interaction in ShadowClan. Seemed pretty thirsty for it imo. Seems that perhaps cats in ShC still haven’t truly come to accept her beyond mere mandated tolerance, and she hasn’t made friends there.
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Post by کیوان on Jul 18, 2024 14:11:17 GMT -5
Cherith never ceases pull at the heartstrings. This actually has me pretty hyped for this SE.
Might be overthinking it. But Dovewing’s behavior immediately strikes that she’s been deprived of social interaction in ShadowClan. Seemed pretty thirsty for it imo. Seems that perhaps cats in ShC still haven’t truly come to accept her beyond mere mandated tolerance, and she hasn’t made friends there. “Maybe you’d make more friends if you didn’t hole yourself up in the nursery pirating games all day.” “It’s called ‘emulation’, Ivypool.”
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Post by maggotpaw on Jul 18, 2024 14:23:18 GMT -5
I should elaborate on the distinctions I make between Squirrel/Fern/Dove. Squirrelstar is reminding me of the dismissive and cold “leadership” you encounter in the corporate world when an employee dares to express human emotion that could impact the company’s KPIs. I love her - but Ivypool wasn’t the cat she should’ve picked for this role. Hindsight is 20/20. It doesn’t help that Squirrelstar has her own unresolved trauma after TBC.
Fernsong seems like he’s trying to be the grounded one through this, repressing his own grief to pull Ivypool back into the present - but it’s not what she needs right now. Instead of telling her to move on, he should try to meet her on her level for the time being. I don’t think either is coping with the loss healthily.
Dovewing is… well, acting like Dovewing. I personally headcanon her as neurodivergent, so there’s that lol.
Ivypool herself has struggled to empathize with other cats. I love how Cherith is writing this black hole Ivypool is in - where she doesn’t want to get out of it, and she wants to drag other cats into it with her. This is a depiction of complicated grief. The other characters are being written very intentionally - and I can’t fault any of them for being a tool of the writers.
I’d love to see Ivypool connect with Brambleclaw (another cat struggling to “get over it”) or Icewing (Beetlewhisker’s mother).
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Post by moongloweevee on Jul 18, 2024 15:10:21 GMT -5
I should elaborate on the distinctions I make between Squirrel/Fern/Dove. Squirrelstar is reminding me of the dismissive and cold “leadership” you encounter in the corporate world when an employee dares to express human emotion that could impact the company’s KPIs. I love her - but Ivypool wasn’t the cat she should’ve picked for this role. Hindsight is 20/20. It doesn’t help that Squirrelstar has her own unresolved trauma after TBC.
Fernsong seems like he’s trying to be the grounded one through this, repressing his own grief to pull Ivypool back into the present - but it’s not what she needs right now. Instead of telling her to move on, he should try to meet her on her level for the time being. I don’t think either is coping with the loss healthily.
Dovewing is… well, acting like Dovewing. I personally headcanon her as neurodivergent, so there’s that lol.
Ivypool herself has struggled to empathize with other cats. I love how Cherith is writing this black hole Ivypool is in - where she doesn’t want to get out of it, and she wants to drag other cats into it with her. This is a depiction of complicated grief. The other characters are being written very intentionally - and I can’t fault any of them for being a tool of the writers.
I’d love to see Ivypool connect with Brambleclaw (another cat struggling to “get over it”) or Icewing (Beetlewhisker’s mother). For the last bit: It now makes me wonder if they intentionally sent Icewing because she can relate to Ivypool about a kit getting snapped out of existence. I wonder if she's going to have a serious talk with Ivypool (and maybe Rootspring to an extent) about how she was able to handle her grief and healing process that she knows that she'll never see Beetlewhisker again.
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Post by wygolvillage on Jul 18, 2024 15:50:49 GMT -5
Wow, this preview is a lot stronger than I was expecting. I'm super intrigued by it already! I'm really glad that Ivypool and Rootspring's grief is getting more focus, it's exactly what I wanted.
"She wasn’t sure whether she wanted to claw Fernsong’s ears or press herself against him, wailing like a lost kit." got me right in the feels.
I remember during the poll I saw a lot of people doubting how good an Ivypool SE would be but I always knew it was the best option, especially post-TBC.
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Post by asrise on Jul 18, 2024 15:54:41 GMT -5
I should elaborate on the distinctions I make between Squirrel/Fern/Dove. Squirrelstar is reminding me of the dismissive and cold “leadership” you encounter in the corporate world when an employee dares to express human emotion that could impact the company’s KPIs. I love her - but Ivypool wasn’t the cat she should’ve picked for this role. Hindsight is 20/20. It doesn’t help that Squirrelstar has her own unresolved trauma after TBC.
Fernsong seems like he’s trying to be the grounded one through this, repressing his own grief to pull Ivypool back into the present - but it’s not what she needs right now. Instead of telling her to move on, he should try to meet her on her level for the time being. I don’t think either is coping with the loss healthily.
Dovewing is… well, acting like Dovewing. I personally headcanon her as neurodivergent, so there’s that lol.
Ivypool herself has struggled to empathize with other cats. I love how Cherith is writing this black hole Ivypool is in - where she doesn’t want to get out of it, and she wants to drag other cats into it with her. This is a depiction of complicated grief. The other characters are being written very intentionally - and I can’t fault any of them for being a tool of the writers.
I’d love to see Ivypool connect with Brambleclaw (another cat struggling to “get over it”) or Icewing (Beetlewhisker’s mother). For the last bit: It now makes me wonder if they intentionally sent Icewing because she can relate to Ivypool about a kit getting snapped out of existence. I wonder if she's going to have a serious talk with Ivypool (and maybe Rootspring to an extent) about how she was able to handle her grief and healing process that she knows that she'll never see Beetlewhisker again. If the chapters we have right now are any indication, that's probably it. Why else would they mention Antpelt if they weren't going to expand on faded dark forest cats? Icewing's also the only cat that we know for certain is (or was) in Ivypool's position.
I think that the cats chosen for the journey were very purposeful, and it will make for some interesting conversations for sure.
I'm very excited for IH now that I know everyone who will be on the journey, and more detail. I have to admit, the blurb had me skeptical, but now I think this will turn out as one of the better Super Editions.
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 18, 2024 15:57:18 GMT -5
i'll be honest. the squilf scene was another one i thought "oh god" about. i was right apparently. i agree she's not really being much different than dove and fern. Exactly! Whether Squirrelstar should've chosen Ivypool to be her deputy at all is a different conversation, but the fact that Ivypool feels the need to confide in what seems to be only Rootspring regarding her grief, the fact that it's gotten to the point where she's nearly missed assigning patrols more than once, the fact that Squirrelstar allowed her to go on this mission at all without so much as a single complaint, and the fact that she is also only talking to her about it now—note that Ivypool is surprised that her leader actually noticed she's been slipping—should say alot. Given the circumstances—their positions as well as the situation with Splashtail—I'd say Squirrelstar has been as nice as she possibly can. Again, she basically tells Ivypool to take the time to heal while she's away, and for all anyone knows, the group won't be back for good while (obviously they'll be back either halfway or towards the end of Star since they basically leave at the start of it, but even then, who knows how much time the book will actually cover).
Or to quote the text itself:
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jul 18, 2024 16:21:16 GMT -5
Icewing going on the quest, oh my heart hurts
Maybe her and Ivypool can bond over Beetlewhisker and Bristlefrost's deaths
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Post by Stormwind on Jul 18, 2024 16:49:26 GMT -5
Do we know what the symbol Whistlepaw saw is supposed to be? At first I assumed it was a human danger sign, or maybe a toxic sign of some sort. But I couldn't find anything from a brief google search.
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