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Post by EliDarling on Jun 11, 2024 10:32:14 GMT -5
Welcome. I wanted to make a den to ramble about my warriors AU fanfictions. I know there is a fanfiction section but it's not the best place to ramble and I would rather not annoy anyone. If you want to come in and talk, or say something about what I ramble about, feel free to do so. I really really love AUs, they're my favourite type of fanfictions so... if you have ideas, your own personal AUs, feel free as well 
I draw (the profile picture is from me) and will sometimes post what I do.
Hmm, yeah pretty much it.
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 11, 2024 10:45:21 GMT -5
So basically, recently I've been thinking about an AU that encapsulates many AUs. I really like the idea of Tigerstar actually succeeding in killing Bluestar, the leaders not having nine lives (although it's still said they do, like a common belief, when they actually receive "nine lives of wisdom" which is just a ceremonial title), Longtail x Firestar (I will die on this hill I just need more Longtail), a redemption arc for Darkstripe, StarClan not explicitely said to be real (signs are just interpretations of natural events like clouds over the moon, the Moonstone is only believed to lead to revealing dreams or a stronger connection with the dead, it's just a religion my dude, it's faith), Redtail being Sandstorm's (trans) dad (his death then becoming way bigger than it is in the book, leading Sandstorm to reflect on loss and what it means to live without someone dear), a less evil Brokenstar (it's just dumb to kill your own future warriors honestly), and many more. |
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 11, 2024 11:04:58 GMT -5
I want to focus on more sympathy between the clans. A bit like other classes at school, yeah you wanna show off and prove you're in the best clan but you can have friends in other clans, lovers, you can ask for help without risking your life and your ego, everybody knows everybody, the leaders are (for the most part) friendly to each other, etc. Xenophobia is also a thing I would rather avoid, clan cats seeing themselves as an end of a spectrum between "free" and "kittypet", they do see their lifestyle as better but would be pleased to see a kittypet giving up on their comfort to risk being a warrior. Sure they will undermine them still, seeing them as softer, but with enough training and proof of their capabilities the past will be quickly forgotten. I know it seems like a stretch but loyalty to one's clanmates is supposed to win over.
All in all, that gentle rivalry between the clans would be better than jumping at each other's throat anytime they see each other. They're not just neighbours but a single group simply divided in four particles, each having their own culture, ways, habits, food, traditions and history. If there wasn't a gathering then sure why not, they would have nothing in common, no way of sympathize, but they do. Additionally, the borders would be looser, they would be entirely natural in the form of rivers, thunderpaths (not very natural actually), rock formations, paths, etc. If needed, cats could come and go between camps, to speak with someone, gather news, offer help, report something, without the presence of a whole patrol. Patrols would be less needed too, only to check the territory from time to time, leaving more time for hunting, training and herb gathering. Hunting in of itself could be more individual. I don't see why they always have to sneak out like fugitives, it's your home, you share it, yes, but you have every right to come and go. They would only be questioned if loyalty is indeed in doubt, otherwise, do whatever you want (in the limits of the warrior code of course). |
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 11, 2024 11:46:54 GMT -5
Speaking of the Warrior Code, I do intend on changing things:
1. Defend your Clan, even with your life. Your loyalty must remain to your Clan despite friendships in other Clans.
-> it is one I haven't changed much. Since fighting between clans is greatly reduced I rephrased it.
2. Do not hunt on another Clan's territory.
-> borders are looser, meaning trespassing is not really a thing, sure you can annoy a Clan enough to see yourself driven out, but it's rare.
3. Elders, queens, sick or injured cats and kits must be fed before apprentices and warriors.
-> the thing about apprentices being the sole carers for elders is sad, I mean, there are the medicine cats but the whole clan should work for the elders, hence the removal of the last part.
4. Prey is killed only to be eaten.
-> we never really see them thank StarClan for the preys anyway, that does not mean they never thank StarClan in this. But since it's a personal belief, that a rule forcing the cats to believe in StarClan was refused in the past, it's understood they don't expect everyone to believe in them. That may be the majority but hey... State and Church should be separated ahah.
5. A kit must be at least six moons old to become an apprentice.
-> I left it unchanged. I know kittens typically start their hunting at 3 months old but since it's the equivalent of a 4 years-old kid, I would rather keep the 10/12 years-old mental age.
6. Newly appointed warriors will keep a silent vigil for one night after receiving their warrior name.
7. A cat cannot be made deputy without having mentored at least one apprentice.
8. The deputy will become Clan leader when the leader dies, retires, or is exiled.
9. After the death, retirement, promotion (to a leader status), or exile of the deputy, the new deputy must be chosen before moonhigh while taking in account the clan’s opinion.
-> it avoids the issue of personal bias, and fix the issue I find in the deputy becoming leader directly. Since the whole clan participates in the choice of deputy, the chances of them being the wrong choice are reduced (though not entirely cause we have plot to go through and that's fun).
10. A Gathering of all four Clans is held at the full moon during a truce that lasts for the night.
-> a truce = no fighting, I don't get why it's precised in the original Code.
11. No warrior can neglect a kit in pain or danger, no matter the clan.
-> I don't like the phrasing of "even if", like it's something that might stop most cats from helping. But stating "no matter the clan" simply seems like an acknowledgment, like most people got it, it's just for the somehow hesitating cats.
12. The word of the Clan leader is the warrior code, unless the leader is actively working against the clan’s safety and well-being.
-> I follow Hobbes' philosophy of the social contract, even a tyrant is better than no rule at all, as long as it guarantees safety and well-being. That's why a leader like Brokenstar is just not believable, I would rather have an evil leader that works for his clan rather than one against. A leader leading in fear with barely 30 cats under his rule has no power, it just makes them look dumb to turn against them the only cats capable of lending them full loyalty.
13. An honorable warrior does not need to kill other cats to win their battles, unless it is necessary for self-defense.
-> even cats outside of the Code are deserving of life, we're not in some kind of specific German regime here.
14. A warrior rejects the life of a kittypet and its comfort.
-> not out of hate, but out of honour, it's not insulting to kittypets but a line they have to keep themselves from crossing in order to stay in that part of the cat life spectrum they are in.
15. Each Clan must help the others so that no Clan will fall.
-> the original acts like there is only danger that can bring them together, that they have no reason to help one another in the daily happenings of life.
16. A kit belongs to their mother’s clan until further notice.
-> half-clan kits are allowed on this condition, what I mean by further notice is if it is agreed between the two parents the father will take them, or if the mother dies, or if once apprenticed or later the kits decide to change clans. But as a general rule it's the mother who keeps them (the other parent is of course in their life, but their loyalty is to their clan first).
All the other rules are either up to the leaders (when it comes to changing clans for example), or just... non existent (medicine cats and mates, female leaders and deputies with kits). |
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 11, 2024 12:06:50 GMT -5
I remember an old AU I had where Princess joined the Clan instead of Rusty, but she seems kind of... ignorant. I mean, she's really soft in her way of thinking, she doesn't see evil, insult, anything. She would not have been able to survive as is in the Clans and would have run off.
I also wanted to ship Silverstream and Sandstorm but she seems like such a loyal cat I'm not sure she would even think about it, even in my world. But I don't want to ship her with Dustpelt either, even without Firestar in a relationship with her, they feel like siblings. I might as well do a polycule. I can't explain why I really really want Longtail with Firestar, I may just be a sucker for enemies to lovers. And I really like Longtail. And he deserved better. |
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 11, 2024 13:32:52 GMT -5
I have some minor changes I wish to do too.
For example, parent/children relationships are too easily brushed off, I would rather have the "mom" "dad" "dear" "love" and such be in their vocabulary.
ShadowClan territory would be a large swamp covered in willow (white and weeping) and birch trees. Not feeding exclusively on frogs or rats but on ducks, their eggs, rarely herons, storks, otters and mouth-caught fish. They would be used to the mud and, since I don't have the Tribe in my AU, they would use it as camouflage when hunting larger prey. The amount of weeping willows gave their name of ShadowClan. They would sleep on an elevated island closer to the Thunderpath, many sleeping on the crooks of boughs they dig. While the elders, kits, queens and sick sleep under reinforced roots and hollowed stumps.
It is common for leaders to meet other leaders in their camp to discuss everyday life, usually accompanied by a large prey as a gift.
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 11, 2024 13:52:59 GMT -5
So story: I have no idea. No I do. I mean I did state all the elements I want in the story, I do have some ideas on how to link some together, but my main issue is with Tigerclaw. If I do apply my logic on the story I don't see why he would want to be leader. Even in the books I still have a hard time grappling what his goal was. Take over the forest, yeah, and then what? He wasn't even sure he would get nine lives, that other clans would be willing to join him, and 3 against 1 are weak odds. I honestly don't get what he wanted to do. He would gain responsibility for a clan? cool I guess. I mean it's like people who wish to be president to do whatever they want, it's not really how this works. I do get he had a few cats ready to kill for him, but even then why kill? It's not even stated in the Code Half-clan cats are forbidden, I mean let's be honest, loving someone doesn't mean you lose loyalty for your Clan you just happen to have a relationship outside of it. It's only Graystripe who might have been disloyal with the amount of time he spent relegating his responsibilities on Fireheart, but Bluestar, she was still an awesome warrior everybody agreed to have as deputy. I'm sorry but his motivation is weak. Power? why? I like villainy for villainy's sake but I still need a goal. Later, when he is driven out of ThunderClan I get it, he wants revenge now, ThunderClan will be detsroyed, nice. But if he had succeeded in ThunderClan? He would have been leader, with maybe Darkstripe willing to kill for him. And that's it. He would have taken the rogues in I guess but most ThunderClan cats would have been against it, most of all Longtail, so an ally lost. ShadowClan would still be weak without the rogues, WindClan easily overthrown, RiverClan would join them and then? That's it he has the whole forest. And what? He rules like a leader, then dies and it's just one clan and it's a whole other history. Maybe it's his dream to lead or something, but the only description I get are "willing to win, violent, respects no one" okay. |
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 11, 2024 14:42:12 GMT -5
I found out what to do with him... kill him 
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 11, 2024 16:02:37 GMT -5
OH GOSH I HAD AN EPIPHANY
SANDSTORM KILLS HIM
GOD YES
Okay so I was planning on her working through loss as I said earlier, with the will to get vengeance. When Tigerclaw is revealed to have killed her father, the minute the words are spoken she jumps on an already injured Tigerclaw and in rage kills him. She regrets her action immediately but it's done. She runs out of camp, soon followed by Fireheart and Dustpelt. |
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 11, 2024 16:29:17 GMT -5
Actually I have another big AU, a Cowboy one, four gangs, a town, deputies and sheriffs, cowpokes, you know the deal. |
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 12, 2024 10:49:19 GMT -5
I might just do an original fan clan at this point. |
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 12, 2024 14:10:55 GMT -5
I realise I'm just made to write soap opera instead of fighting cats. It's just, I don't know. I guess warrior cats has so little focus on characters being fleshed out people I want to do the opposite. Few fights and as much romance and clan life. |
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 15, 2024 14:43:46 GMT -5
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 17, 2024 17:05:13 GMT -5
I never thought I would vent, but one of my chicks died. He was the last to hatch, of the six he had the hardest time breaking the membrane, his mother helped him. I saw him move for the first time, I was a worried mom when I saw he couldn't stand up. He was weak. I knew it. But even then I fought for him. I kept him warm when his mom would not, from today at 11 to 20:30 I hoped. He was a fighter, how unfair it is. He didn't even get to run in the grass, drink his first drop of water, taste his first grain, play with his siblings. He never got to do that, and never will. We brought him inside under a heat lamp to give him a good shot, ordered vitamins for him, now they will arrive to nothing. Not even 30 minutes later I saw his chest was not rising. His frail body. All the things he never got to do. The remnants of a small soul I will never get to hug.
I had never buried an animal before. Mom wasn't home, and even then I knew I had to do it. I stayed with him until the end, I hoped for him, I wanted him to make it. It was now my mission to give him what life had not. I put flowers on him, covered him in leaves and petals, showed him the moon on the still-blue sky. I buried him next to a blueberry bush, its fruits slowly gaining colours, the soil rich and living. On the way to it, the path from the door to my garden felt like a reverence, trees bowing for his strength and his will, birds chirping for the hopes, flowers blooming for his innocence. I hope he's okay now, in a world full of sunlight, always warm, able to run and chirp, chase after flies and worms. I hope he gets to be what he should have been.
I haven't stopped crying. Praying. Whatever can express how loved he was, even in a few hours.
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Post by Brownie on Jun 17, 2024 17:45:19 GMT -5
I found out what to do with him... kill him :D ayo loving the AU ideas =o I'm always a fan of early AU and Clans working together I see ya settled on an idea, but whenever I'm struggling with villains and motivations I have to remember that a lot of evil is rooted in fear. So instead of asking what Tigerone might have wanted or desired, perhaps figuring out what he was scared of and using that as the central motivator for his actions might make for a better lens. I'm the same way with my villains, I really hate for them to be mean or selfish, but sometimes the fear approach helps find that reason why someone would act that way even without internal pressures. Like perhaps he was scared of change (any sort of change--inviting more outsiders and feeling a loss of identity, feeling like he was losing Clanmates as moving between Clans became more commonplace, anything that fits with your setting really) and thought that the only way to counteract that was to become leader in any way possible and force things to stay the same (or that he was the only one strong enough to lead them through the "crisis" that was based on his fear). This also gives a good reason to have a small group of avid followers: other cats that were similarly afraid and wanted stability. If you frame the fears right and substantiate them enough, it can easily give reason to go to horrible lengths, especially if Tigerone thought he was "protecting" his Clan from cats (or ideas) that would bring them to (his supposed) destruction (also that he doesn't have to SEEM afraid or weak; a lot of people with terror don't recognize that fear is the root of their decision making and paranoia. He might see it as a desire to be strong, or that the current leadership is making mistakes, or that he is the only one that sees a problem that no one else will take seriously.) Also that the fanfiction forum can be a wonderful place to ramble! I've made many pages over the years that are just worldbuilding/AU building hubs to dump all my ideas and get some Peer Review as I worked on a plotline~ Either way, I can't wait to see more of this it looks very promising!! And it's series one stuff, so I can actually understand what's going on with it haha I haven't read any of the newer series, so a lot of the new canon goes way over my head. Which is why I really only stick to FanClan worldbuilding xp |
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Post by EliDarling on Jun 18, 2024 3:00:00 GMT -5
I found out what to do with him... kill him ayo loving the AU ideas =o I'm always a fan of early AU and Clans working together I see ya settled on an idea, but whenever I'm struggling with villains and motivations I have to remember that a lot of evil is rooted in fear. So instead of asking what Tigerone might have wanted or desired, perhaps figuring out what he was scared of and using that as the central motivator for his actions might make for a better lens. I'm the same way with my villains, I really hate for them to be mean or selfish, but sometimes the fear approach helps find that reason why someone would act that way even without internal pressures. Like perhaps he was scared of change (any sort of change--inviting more outsiders and feeling a loss of identity, feeling like he was losing Clanmates as moving between Clans became more commonplace, anything that fits with your setting really) and thought that the only way to counteract that was to become leader in any way possible and force things to stay the same (or that he was the only one strong enough to lead them through the "crisis" that was based on his fear). This also gives a good reason to have a small group of avid followers: other cats that were similarly afraid and wanted stability. If you frame the fears right and substantiate them enough, it can easily give reason to go to horrible lengths, especially if Tigerone thought he was "protecting" his Clan from cats (or ideas) that would bring them to (his supposed) destruction (also that he doesn't have to SEEM afraid or weak; a lot of people with terror don't recognize that fear is the root of their decision making and paranoia. He might see it as a desire to be strong, or that the current leadership is making mistakes, or that he is the only one that sees a problem that no one else will take seriously.) Also that the fanfiction forum can be a wonderful place to ramble! I've made many pages over the years that are just worldbuilding/AU building hubs to dump all my ideas and get some Peer Review as I worked on a plotline~ Either way, I can't wait to see more of this it looks very promising!! And it's series one stuff, so I can actually understand what's going on with it haha I haven't read any of the newer series, so a lot of the new canon goes way over my head. Which is why I really only stick to FanClan worldbuilding xp OMG thanks, it's really going to help And that falls right because I'm also struggling with Brokenstar so that approach will save me ahah. For the Fanfiction forum I will think about it thank you, I was really scared it was only to post finished fanfictions, thank you.
And yeah I get you with the newer series, I've only read up to the fourth arc and have a hard time catching up, I'm kind of lost myself so that's why I mostly work on the first series XD
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