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leafbush!
on thunder and shadow, yayaya
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Post by leafbush! on Jun 10, 2024 4:26:20 GMT -5
this is where you can rant about rainflower from crookedstar's promise she's a child neglector, only because he broke his jaw. I hate her sm
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Post by کیوان on Jun 10, 2024 8:56:45 GMT -5
It's not often we get to see a mean mom in Warrior Cats. Glad ASC is keeping the tradition alive.
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Marigold 🎃
Keep up, I'm too fast, I'm too fast. Push my foot up on that pedal, then I'm gone.
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Post by Marigold 🎃 on Jun 10, 2024 12:41:05 GMT -5
Rainflower going from treating crookedkit like the most amazing cat ever to simply just not caring about them because they had a broken jaw is insane, and it's even worse how much we see this affects crookedkit. 0/10 cat, I wish she had a more painful death.
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Post by silverstarpenguin on Jun 10, 2024 12:52:00 GMT -5
Rainflower going from treating crookedkit like the most amazing cat ever to simply just not caring about them because they had a broken jaw is insane, and it's even worse how much we see this affects crookedkit. 0/10 cat, I wish she had a more painful death. Same! I also think she should've gone to the Dark Forest, or at least be left out of StarClan at a trial somewhat like Squirrelflight's and Leafpool's.
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jun 10, 2024 16:19:00 GMT -5
She was so emotionally abusive, it wasn't funny. She even tried to isolate him by giving him his own nest in the nursery and keeping Oakkit from sleeping with him. Bless Echomist for letting poor Crookedkit sleep with her and her kits when he needed affection. I'm angry with Hailstar too for just giving in to Rainflower's every whim--I'm convinced he had a thing for her or something because why else would he change Stormkit's name, even when Shellheart (and the entire Clan) clearly disapproved?
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Post by sparkeye on Jun 11, 2024 7:21:28 GMT -5
She’s weird. She reminds me a bit of those crazy pageant moms, but worse. She wants her kids to thrive and be the best, but when the kid’s jaw changes its shape, it’s too big of a deal! Seriouslyyyyy. If you think about millie, you notice that when her kid paralyzed, she was obsessed in taking care of her, even though she did it in a weird way. But she still cared. Rain just DISOWNED her kid for only his jaw tilting bit. What the mouse.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jun 11, 2024 21:30:32 GMT -5
I like Rainflower. Not for her shit personality or abuse, but for the excellent writing that went behind her. She is a well done example of a narcissistic parent.
I like to see characters well written, and we don't get that a lot in Warriors. So the ones we DO get, I appreciate. Plus having a narcissistic grandparent that practically raised me, it was nice feeling heard for once as a teen.
Like her being that way, and it being acknowledged that she's awful. Can't speak for others, but that made me feel like I was being listened to when adults around me didn't acknowledge the abuse/narcissism I faced.
Idk man. I just like well done problematic characters.
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Post by whitewing on Jun 11, 2024 23:40:21 GMT -5
Bro. She favored Oakkit but treated Crookedkit like some ugly monster. She didn’t even want to share a nest with him. The moment his face got scarred she didn’t like him anymore. God bless Oakkit for still loving his brother.
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leafbush!
on thunder and shadow, yayaya
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Post by leafbush! on Jun 12, 2024 5:27:35 GMT -5
God bless Shellheart, of the two parents he gave him his last life in his nine lives ceremony, and Crookedstar still loved his mother spoiler! As Sparrowfeather ducked away, the moment of perfect stillness passed and the future and the past crowded into Crookedjaw’s thoughts once more. Rainflower? He scanned the crowd for his mother. Did she have a life to give him?
“Crookedjaw.”
He looked up as he heard Shellheart’s mew. Bittersweet joy touched his heart. “She is here,” Shellheart murmured as if Crookedjaw had spoken out loud. “But your last life is mine to give.” His eyes burned into Crookedjaw’s. “Long ago, you lapped water at a poisoned spring. I’m sorry I didn’t know until too late. I would have guided you better.”
Crookedjaw shook his head. “You couldn’t have guided me any better.” you. Promise you'll use it wisely.”
Crookedjaw shuffled his paws. He s warning me to turn my back on Mapleshade. “I walk alone now,” he vowed.
“No, not alone.” Shellheart gazed down at him. “Your ancestors walk alongside you, always. Travel well, Crookedstar. You will make a great leader.”
Crookedstar closed his eyes as the cats of StarClan lifted their heads to the sky and called his new name. He would be a great leader. He could feel the certainty of it tingling in his paws. He couldn’t wait to get back to his Clan. As StarClan spun away, Crookedstar blinked open his eyes. Where was the Moonstone?
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leafbush!
on thunder and shadow, yayaya
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Post by leafbush! on Jun 12, 2024 5:29:20 GMT -5
and this Crookedstar stared at her. Sacrifices? Did she mean Rainflower? Hailstar? Did she really think she’d made him leader by persuading him to abandon the cats he loved?
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leafbush!
on thunder and shadow, yayaya
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Post by leafbush! on Jun 12, 2024 5:30:08 GMT -5
that just shows he still loved her, what he's such a forgiving person
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Post by kitters on Jun 12, 2024 14:34:17 GMT -5
Part of me wants to know how Oakheart felt about it. It couldn't have been easy being treated like the favorite while your brother is horribly neglected and abused. He was still close to rainflower, I wonder if he ever said anything to her. I'm sure there was some fear that if he did she would abandon him too.
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Post by Galestorm on Jun 12, 2024 19:57:36 GMT -5
Rainflower is truly one of the most vain and downright disgusting cats in the series. I hc that she’s really pretty and thrived off of compliments, given the name -flower based on her beauty even. Shellheart mentioned that since he knew her she found it hard to admit when she was wrong so I just see her to be a lil snot from kithood. I also like the thoughts of her being Hailstar’s sister and that being one reason why he agreed to change Stormkit’s name to Crookedkit, perhaps not wanting to listen to his cruel sister’s scathing tongue. (I also like the thoughts of a queen just name her kits Rainkit and Hailkit). I just can’t see StarClan, mothers at that, include or be friendly with her for disowning her kit.
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Jun 12, 2024 20:19:22 GMT -5
I honestly like her as a character (though I absolutely hate her as a person/cat). Without her role in Crookedstar’s Promise, I doubt it would be as impactful as a book as it is.
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Post by Slightdapple on Jun 13, 2024 8:46:40 GMT -5
Hate her for her abuse to Crookedkit/star. She loved Crookedkit up until he broke his jaw and then hated him for being “ugly.”
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jun 15, 2024 4:45:24 GMT -5
Something I haven't seen brought up enough is how the group of cats that disliked Hailstar's decision to change Crooked's name still referred to him as "Crookedkit", not "Stormkit". Am I misremembering? I find it a bit weird that they were so against it but still went with it anyway. Especially for Shellheart, I mean that's his dad right? And a fandom-wide perception of him is that he's a great dad cause he always stood against Rainflower when she abused Crooked. But he just kept calling him Crooked??
I've got to be misremembering the details of this maybe they did call him Stormkit cause I feel like nobody talks about it
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leafbush!
on thunder and shadow, yayaya
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Post by leafbush! on Jun 15, 2024 4:50:59 GMT -5
Something I haven't seen brought up enough is how the group of cats that disliked Hailstar's decision to change Crooked's name still referred to him as "Crookedkit", not "Stormkit". Am I misremembering? I find it a bit weird that they were so against it but still went with it anyway. Especially for Shellheart, I mean that's his dad right? And a fandom-wide perception of him is that he's a great dad cause he always stood against Rainflower when she abused Crooked. But he just kept calling him Crooked?? I've got to be misremembering the details of this maybe they did call him Stormkit cause I feel like nobody talks about it oh yeah good point they did, maybe since it was seen as his name by their leader, they did. idrk
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jun 15, 2024 4:56:38 GMT -5
I honestly like her as a character (though I absolutely hate her as a person/cat). Without her role in Crookedstar’s Promise, I doubt it would be as impactful as a book as it is. Especially that last part. I know a lot of people who related to Crookedstar heavily in having a mother like Rainflower. This book wouldn't be known as one of the best in the series if they never wrote in Rainflower (which I do see quite a lot of people saying she should've never existed in the books anyways) Her actions were genuinely horrible and sickening to read about, but an issue I've seen pretty heavily in this fandom is with characters like her, Lizardstripe and Appledusk that they have done bad things and people refuse to admit that their characters are compelling and different. You are allowed to hate them, of course, but I feel like EVERYONE hates them. I hated all three of those cats until there came a point in time where I took a step back and imagined what the book would've been like if they were never there. If Appledusk never existed, majority of the plot in Mapleshade's Vengeance wouldn't have happened and his relationship with Mapleshade and Reedshine wouldn't have caused so much fandom discourse (which is both good and bad - I enjoy a good debate but sometimes they get out of hand). He's a genuinely interesting character with a lot of potential. If Lizardstripe never existed, there would've been less influence for Brokenstar to go down a bad path. I'm unsure if he would've still turned out the way he did - because if Lizardstripe never existed, neither would her kits, and her and her kits contributed to a lot of the neglect and bullying in Brokenstar's kithood. But at the same time, he still wouldn't have had his mother and Raggedstar would've still babied him. And I found that she never wanted kids to be interesting, it sucks that the writers chose one of the first she-cats to not want kids and then turned around and made her abuse kids. Like out of everyone they chose her. Sorry for the yap I just really enjoy this topic I think it's interesting that people hate on these specific characters
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jun 15, 2024 4:59:10 GMT -5
Something I haven't seen brought up enough is how the group of cats that disliked Hailstar's decision to change Crooked's name still referred to him as "Crookedkit", not "Stormkit". Am I misremembering? I find it a bit weird that they were so against it but still went with it anyway. Especially for Shellheart, I mean that's his dad right? And a fandom-wide perception of him is that he's a great dad cause he always stood against Rainflower when she abused Crooked. But he just kept calling him Crooked?? I've got to be misremembering the details of this maybe they did call him Stormkit cause I feel like nobody talks about it oh yeah good point they did, maybe since it was seen as his name by their leader, they did. idrk Okay good I'm not misremembering I don't know, I still feel like that isn't right. Shellheart was deputy, he should know that sometimes you have to challenge your leader's decisions. You can't go along with everything your leader says otherwise that makes you a bad deputy
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Asexual
leafbush!
on thunder and shadow, yayaya
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Post by leafbush! on Jun 17, 2024 6:14:04 GMT -5
oh yeah good point they did, maybe since it was seen as his name by their leader, they did. idrk Okay good I'm not misremembering I don't know, I still feel like that isn't right. Shellheart was deputy, he should know that sometimes you have to challenge your leader's decisions. You can't go along with everything your leader says otherwise that makes you a bad deputy you're absolutely right for that (sorry I didn't respond as I had church.) I don't think Shellheart would be able to do anything though because Hailstar is basically Rainflower's puppet if you think about it. She could've got him demoted
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jun 18, 2024 1:33:45 GMT -5
Okay good I'm not misremembering I don't know, I still feel like that isn't right. Shellheart was deputy, he should know that sometimes you have to challenge your leader's decisions. You can't go along with everything your leader says otherwise that makes you a bad deputy you're absolutely right for that (sorry I didn't respond as I had church.) Hailstar is basically Rainflower's puppet if you think about it. She could've got him demoted How? I'm confused. The rule for being able to demote a leader was only introduced last arc, and everyone from that generation was long dead by then. Pretty sure Rainflower didn't have any dirt on him either if I'm remembering correctly
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Post by leafchaser on Jul 11, 2024 19:38:39 GMT -5
I know she's so hateable that she may as well just be ragebait for the audience, but good Lord, I wish she went to the Dark Forest. It does make me curious what exactly is the criteria to get sent to the Dark Forest vs StarClan, because clearly being actively abusive isn't enough? Idk. Anyway, one of the biggest gut punches in the entire series is her mention during Crookedstar's leader ceremony, how she's in StarClan but of course she couldn't be bothered to show up for his ceremony, when has she ever showed up for him before?
On a side note, the way the rest of the Clan treated Crookedkit/paw when he was young is so hard to read. It's not a book I come back to very often.
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