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Marigold ๐
Keep up, I'm too fast, I'm too fast. Push my foot up on that pedal, then I'm gone.
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Post by Marigold ๐ on Jun 8, 2024 4:42:37 GMT -5
Darktail being killed halfway through kinda ruined the arc for me. It's only a little bit above Ashfur going to Starclan because of this.
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Post by ๐ฉโก๐ชMoonshine๐ฉโก๐ช on Jun 8, 2024 5:39:43 GMT -5
I'd say Darktail being killed off halfway through, but the sheer stupidity in Starclan's reasoning for letting this clearly unrepentant yandere into their grounds still baffles me to this day.
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Pansexual
Marigold ๐
Keep up, I'm too fast, I'm too fast. Push my foot up on that pedal, then I'm gone.
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Post by Marigold ๐ on Jun 8, 2024 6:45:55 GMT -5
I'd say Darktail being killed off halfway through, but the sheer stupidity in Starclan's reasoning for letting this clearly unrepentant yandere into their grounds still baffles me to this day. โunrepentant yandereโ is the funniest thing iโve ever heard anybody call a character in any series ever ๐
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Post by Quill on Jun 8, 2024 7:27:09 GMT -5
Iโm going to say SkyClan leaving the Gorge, even though I loved Hawkwingโs Journey. Their life in the gorge made them so unique and it resulted in some amazing stories. Now, theyโre kind of just another generic Clan.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 8, 2024 11:16:58 GMT -5
Ashfur being put into Starclan brought us the great TBC, and moreover, even if it hadn't, at least it can be ignored as a background detail. Darktail being killed off early is so much worse, because it has downstream effects that poison the rest of AVOS and have the plot spin its wheels doing nothing.
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Post by whiteflight on Jun 8, 2024 11:49:04 GMT -5
Sadly for me it's a tie between letting Ashfur into Starclan, making him be the true villain, and Darktail dying in the middle of the series. But for this post I picked Ashfur being in Starclan
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Slightdapple
โจyour local book nerd โจ
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Post by Slightdapple on Jun 8, 2024 17:02:51 GMT -5
Darktail being killed off that early singlehandedly ruined AVoS, but the most catastrophic was definitely Ashfur being let into StarClan.
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Post by Brownie on Jun 8, 2024 17:07:15 GMT -5
Iโm going to say SkyClan leaving the Gorge, even though I loved Hawkwingโs Journey. Their life in the gorge made them so unique and it resulted in some amazing stories. Now, theyโre kind of just another generic Clan. this this this. they could have had so much more. The lake Clans don't DESERVE them after what they did
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maggotpaw
named my son maggotkit because i hate him
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Post by maggotpaw on Jun 8, 2024 22:20:11 GMT -5
This poll is a little hard to answer. Letting Ashfur into StarClan was the worst in-universe mistake, while killing Darktail off early was the worst mistakeโฆ narratively.
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Asexual
leafbush!
on thunder and shadow, yayaya
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Post by leafbush! on Jun 9, 2024 5:26:46 GMT -5
I feel like everyone's forgetting about Onestar's personality doing a 180 degree turn in the wrong direction. AAs a Onestar's Confession reader, no matter his perspective, he still sucks. I get the darktail and ashfur one though, I don't understand why "yellowhead" over there let him in cause "hIs OnLy FaUlT wAs To LoVe ToO mUcH?!?!" he tried killing 3 kits... and also darktail was an amazing villain, shame he got rko'ed so easily. But then again, the dark tail thing wouldn't have happened if Onestar wasn't such an AIRHEAD unlike his warrior days. Maybe seeing his evil son made him more insane in AVoS but idk... it's so good he's gone imo. Still voting for the Onestar one though
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Asexual
leafbush!
on thunder and shadow, yayaya
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Post by leafbush! on Jun 9, 2024 5:27:52 GMT -5
oh and also I wish hollyleaf was in the three instead of dovewing I wanted a murderer power cat
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Jun 9, 2024 5:33:42 GMT -5
Letting Ashfur into StarClan not only lead to even more drama in-universe later on (in TBC) but also in the fandom during the early 2010s when quite a few fans saw this as proof that he really had been unfairly treated amd his actions were indeed justified. Vicky Holmes using Yellowfang as a mouthpiece to say the "he just loved too much" bs excuse also didn't help much and even resulted in the demonization of Squirrelflight's character in parts of the fandom back then for "leading him on, breaking his heart" and so on.
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Asexual
leafbush!
on thunder and shadow, yayaya
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Post by leafbush! on Jun 9, 2024 5:33:47 GMT -5
I'd say Darktail being killed off halfway through, but the sheer stupidity in Starclan's reasoning for letting this clearly unrepentant yandere into their grounds still baffles me to this day. โunrepentant yandereโ is the funniest thing iโve ever heard anybody call a character in any series ever ๐ "Upset? I'm not upset. You have no idea how much pain I'm in. It's like being cut open every day, bleeding onto the stones. I can't understand how any of you failed to see the blood... [โฆ] Stay there! I can't believe you didn't know how much you hurt me. You are the blind one, not Jayfeather. Who do you think sent Firestar the message to go down to the lake, where the fox trap was? I wanted him to die, to take your father away so you'd know the real meaning of pain...You don't understand. This is the only way to make you feel the same pain that you caused me. You tore my heart out when you chose Brambleclaw over me. Anything I did to you would never hurt as much. But your kits...If you watch them die, then you'll know the pain I felt." Hollyleaf after he said that: XD
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Asexual
leafbush!
on thunder and shadow, yayaya
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Post by leafbush! on Jun 9, 2024 5:38:20 GMT -5
Letting Ashfur into StarClan not only lead to even more drama in-universe later on (in TBC) but also in the fandom during the early 2010s when quite a few fans saw this as proof that he really had been unfairly treated amd his actions were indeed justified. Vicky Holmes using Yellowfang as a mouthpiece to say the "he just loved too much" bs excuse also didn't help much and even resulted in the demonization of Squirrelflight's character in parts of the fandom back then for "leading him on, breaking his heart" and so on. "His only fault was to love too much." -- hairball she SAW him try and murder 3 fully grown cats oh, I'm not done yet AND assist hawkfrost in trying to kill firestar am I missing something? because "loving too much" does not mean kill your leader
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Maplefrostโ
on Jun 9, 2024 17:41:19 GMT -5
From an in universe decision: Letting Ashfur into StarClan From a writing position: Killing off Darktail half-way into AVoS
At least Ashfur going to StarClan proved to be entertaining down the line, in TBC. But Darktail dying half-way through AVoS destroyed any momentum that was going for that arc.
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Asexual
leafbush!
on thunder and shadow, yayaya
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Post by leafbush! on Jun 10, 2024 4:21:21 GMT -5
From an in universe decision: Letting Ashfur into StarClan From a writing position: Killing off Darktail half-way into AVoS At least Ashfur going to StarClan proved to be entertaining down the line, in TBC. But Darktail dying half-way through AVoS destroyed any momentum that was going for that arc. the only good thing about dark tail dying is onestar dying too good riddance
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Post by mintleaf2 on Jun 10, 2024 8:03:53 GMT -5
IMO Ashfur going crazy in the first place. He had two arcs as a normal, beloved cat and then just snaps over - SQUIRRELFLIGHT of all cats?? And then not only does he go crazy over his relationship problems but he becomes actually evil?? Iโll take a mental breakdown and maybe hurting the three, sure, but he loved and was loyal to his clan and I donโt understand why he became such a big villain
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 10, 2024 10:32:27 GMT -5
IMO Ashfur going crazy in the first place. He had two arcs as a normal, beloved cat and then just snaps over - SQUIRRELFLIGHT of all cats?? And then not only does he go crazy over his relationship problems but he becomes actually evil?? Iโll take a mental breakdown and maybe hurting the three, sure, but he loved and was loyal to his clan and I donโt understand why he became such a big villain Seemingly ordinary people snapping after a break-up is not that strange, to be honest. Certain people who study that kind of thing have even said that in 20% of relationship-related homicides, murder was the first act of violence.
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Post by โ
Maplefrostโ
on Jun 10, 2024 10:36:44 GMT -5
IMO Ashfur going crazy in the first place. He had two arcs as a normal, beloved cat and then just snaps over - SQUIRRELFLIGHT of all cats?? And then not only does he go crazy over his relationship problems but he becomes actually evil?? Iโll take a mental breakdown and maybe hurting the three, sure, but he loved and was loyal to his clan and I donโt understand why he became such a big villain Seemingly ordinary people snapping after a break-up is not that strange, to be honest. Certain people who study that kind of thing have even said that in 20% of relationship-related homicides, murder was the first act of violence. From what I remembered, and correct me if I'm wrong, there was no particular reason the Erins chose Ashfur as the character for the messy triangle drama. Pretty sure it could have just been any cat chosen at random at the time. It's kinda similar to how they had to ice a cat so they had an excuse to have deathberries in camp (Honeyfern), etc. Some writing decisions are quite strange, but this is coming from someone that still enjoys Ashfur as a villain regardless.
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Post by โช ๐๐ช๐ด๐ฏ๐ต๐ธ๐๐ฎ๐ป โช on Jun 10, 2024 12:03:50 GMT -5
The biggest mistake EVER is definitely Scourge killing Tigerstar.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jun 10, 2024 12:09:35 GMT -5
In-universe, letting Ashfur into StarClan.
Writing wise, itโs a hard choice but I personally think moving SkyClan from the gorge to the lake. Darktail dying halfway through AVoS effed up that arc, but SkyClan moving had effed up the dynamic of all the clans, ruined what made SkyClan interesting, and has created some of the worst storylines; effects that ripple for multiple arcs.
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Asexual
leafbush!
on thunder and shadow, yayaya
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Post by leafbush! on Jun 12, 2024 5:20:41 GMT -5
the biggest mistake is onestar existing he should never have been leader
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Post by โช ๐๐ช๐ด๐ฏ๐ต๐ธ๐๐ฎ๐ป โช on Jun 14, 2024 9:17:43 GMT -5
the biggest mistake is onestar existing he should never have been leader well, I think he should exist but stay a normal warrior instead of being a leader. even if I think that Mudclaw wouldnโt make a great leader.
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Post by Wolfyy- on Jun 14, 2024 10:18:08 GMT -5
Tbh, I initially thought that Ashfur being let into StarClan was the biggest mistake. But I changed my mind because I think that he would've caused serious problems no matter what. If he was always determined to get revenge, then he would have found a way to get what he wanted regardless of which afterlife he was sent to.
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Post by Jaysnow on Jun 14, 2024 15:34:46 GMT -5
If they hadn't "corrected" the whole Ashfur being sent to StarClan deal, I'd say that. But that turned into The Broken Code arc and we got one of the most satisfying villains ever, so in the end it's all good. I'm going with "Hollyleaf not being one of the Three" as the biggest mistake, since that wasn't rectified in the end.
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Post by iceheart on Jun 14, 2024 17:05:12 GMT -5
Tigerheart being revived like he's cat Jesus when there were more competent cats other than him that could lead ShadowClan.
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Post by whisper on Jun 14, 2024 22:15:43 GMT -5
Onewhisker becoming such a jerk to ThunderClan, even after everything theyโd all gone through together. There were other travesties, but that one always got to me๐ญ
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