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StarClan leader
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on May 15, 2024 20:18:27 GMT -5
Leafstar is supporting Splashtail despite the obvious facts. I think she is falling to dementia and her blind will be part of her old age as the longest serving Clan Leader in the series (FQ takes place in between TPB and TNP) I'm sorry, but attributing Leafstar's behavior in ASC to her possibly having dementia and her eventual blindness just feels wrong to me, like it's a punishment for her inaction (I know that's probably not what you're saying, but the wording still feels off). And to be fair, what's obvious to the main cast isn't going to be obvious to everyone else, otherwise there wouldn't even be a story. The entire reason Harestar now believes Frostpaw at all is because she proved WindClan would be in danger during a storm and saved one of their kits; Leafstar has so far had no such evidence besides word alone, and considering how much her Clan has gone through up to this point, can you really blame her for being skeptical of—from her PoV—a former medicine cat apprentice who has not only been misled in her visions before, but had also purposefully faked her death and is now being publicly supported by the one cat she's constantly been at odds with. Unless the rest of RiverClan deny the exact circumstances of Harelight's death and are convincing enough about it until the end of the book or she's secretly harboring Mothwing and co, she now has her evidence. That said, I'll definitely be disappointed when Leafstar finally goes, but I certainly won't be surprised, either. I don’t think possible dementia is all of it. I feel like what you are saying is very true. I’m just saying her old age might get in the way of things. She and the rest of SkyClan have been though so much since Firestar’s Quest. I just think like Brambleclaw did, it’s time for her to also retire. She, Brambleclaw and Squirrelstar (correct me if I’m missing other leaders or other cats from Firestar’s time) hold ideals from a different time where the Clan’s were farther apart relationship wise. The Clans have grown closer together since then. What I am saying is leaving the Clans problems to the newer generations of cats because of they are the ones who need experience in solving issues. |
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Hyenafang
"I do not support Seaworld or any Marine Parks that exploit Cenaceans!"
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Post by Hyenafang on May 15, 2024 22:42:32 GMT -5
I can't decide on this one.
I was hoping that the ninth arc would be set either a few years in the future with new leaders and characters or between Dawn of the Clans and The Prophecies Begin.
Leafstar looks weird here.
I'm also not sure about the plot either.
It's like they have run out of plots.
I love warriors and have been reading the series for over 20 years. But there may come a time when they can't write anything new.
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Post by Yoshimi on May 15, 2024 23:34:43 GMT -5
Old people on a journey let’s gooo
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on May 16, 2024 1:12:15 GMT -5
YO WHO IS MOONPAWWW
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Post by Frostdawn on May 16, 2024 7:07:58 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to Moonpaw, Tawnypelt, and hopefully Crowfeather. I'm looking forward to a beautiful closure to TNP generation, but I'm not looking forward to any focus of Leafstar. I don't really care for her character and personally think she is a terrible leader. I personally hope she dies in The Elder's Quest like Mistystar died in River because I think it is time for Hawkstar. I'm pretty certain Moonpaw is a NightSun kit, so either from ThunderClan or possibly RiverClan if NightSun move to the new RiverClan after star. I'm hoping Crowfeather gets a pov so WindClan has a pov character finally but I'm not getting my hopes up. Overall it should be an interesting arc and if it's anything like the gem that is Graystripe's Vow it should be a beautiful farewell to beloved characters we have watched grow up for the years. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 16, 2024 10:48:10 GMT -5
I don't know, I'm not necessarily a fan of the elder choices being given POVs cause it kinda feels like fanservice...
Tawnypelt, Crowfeather, and possibly Bramble(?), really just feels like they're going to do "throwaway" povs, so other random new povs can take over at some point, kinda like what they did in AVoS, which I wasn't a fan of either.
Like seriously, how many times does Tawnypelt's plot need to be "ShadowClan is being dumb, I'm the only one with common sense, so I'm going to leave." like this is the 3rd time?
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 16, 2024 14:00:51 GMT -5
Man I have thoughts on this. It’ll have to wait until I have my laptop.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 16, 2024 21:48:29 GMT -5
I'm certainly not writing this arc off yet, because maybe they'll achieve something interesting and different, but the blurb makes the first book sound like such a patchwork of previously explored story beats. "Twoleg construction has encroached on Clan territory,"
-Old territory destruction, TNP
-SkyClan flee the forest, FQ
-Ancient cats flee lake, OOTS
"poisoning the stream"
-Water poisoned, TNP
-Same stream is obstructed by beavers, OOTS
"and making prey especially scarce for SkyClan."
-RiverClan can't eat due to overfishing, TPB
-Major food source is rendered inaccessible due to poison, TNP
-SkyClan's survival is threatened, FQ, AVoS, SqH
"Meanwhile, their leader, Leafstar is struggling with a loss of vision while trying maintain authority over a Clan that increasingly doubts her ability to lead."
-Leader's competency doubted due to age and/or health: Bluestar, Tallstar, Bramblestar, Nightstar
"Tawnypelt senses peril as the Twoleg construction threatens the Moonpool,"
-Moonpool is obstructed, TBC
-Lost connection to StarClan, TNP
-Moonstone shatters, GV
"but she can’t get anycat, especially her son, Tigerstar, to listen. Frustrated with the younger cats who don't respect her, she decides to take matters into her own paws."
-Tigerstar doesn't listen to anyone, AVoS - ASC
-Old cats not being shown respect by young cats, AVoS
-Tawnypelt knows better than her whole clan and takes matters into her own paws, TNP, PO3, AVoS, TC
-Someone with a vision is ignored, most of the series
-Elder takes up mantle to get sh!t done, GV, TC, TAQ, RF
"Moonpaw, an apprentice struggling to understand the mysterious voice in her head, thinks that she might be having visions. But the voice becomes increasingly sinister, and Moonpaw wonders if’s a sign of darkness on the horizon."
-Almost every arc has a protagonist who has visions or "sees/hears things"
-Visions turn sour, TBC, ASC
-DF cat influencing young living cat, TNP, PO3, OOTS, TBC Also, I'll eat my hat if Moonpaw isn't the daughter of NightSun. I gotta admit, the name does kind of have "prophesied one" self-insert energy given how "Moon" is generally seen as a sacred name by the authors. It's kinda disappointing, because I feel like so many fans have been asking for a major timeskip (either forward or backward) for multiple arcs now, and they just keep feeding us the same old timeline guest starring past favorites that have overstayed their welcome. Do we really need a whole arc to say goodbye to the TNP cast? Just let them die peacefully between arcs. |
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Post by Jaysnow on May 17, 2024 14:37:57 GMT -5
Definitely not what I was expecting. I'm intrigued, but I do get the wariness of people who see similarities of previous plotlines. Lots of TBC vibes here.
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#e5e7e9
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𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪
My favorite Cures: Passion, Moonlight, and Muse
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on May 17, 2024 15:11:07 GMT -5
-Old cats not being shown respect by young cats, AVoS
Also Graystripe's Vow, arguably ASC |
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Post by Flamefrost on May 20, 2024 6:35:32 GMT -5
I just noticed, but it being The Elders' Quest and having Tawnypelt and Crowfeather on the cover could mean one big thing:
Crowfeather is retiring as deputy! I wonder who his replacement will be. I beg not Breezepelt.
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Post by Flamefrost on May 20, 2024 6:37:22 GMT -5
Also, to those curious, the blurb mentions Leafbare approaching. As of Wind, we are currently on Leafbare. So we might get a minor timeskip. I'm honestly begging they skip over a leafbare and give us a 2 year timeskip, thought I'm doubtful. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 20, 2024 10:25:29 GMT -5
Honestly I think Breezepelt would make a good deputy, he's had more development and character than the majority of WindClan right now. I'd say Nightcloud over him, but she's too old, and she honestly would have been a better first option over Crowfeather in the first place. Unless they plan to develop another character, or have better options, I think Breezepelt is the best option. Plus deputyship could always help him even more. On the other hand, he's never exactly made any desire to be in higher positions prior, and prefers his life as a family man, so we'll have to just see.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on May 20, 2024 10:58:37 GMT -5
Honestly, I’m not sure I’ll keep going with the series after the current arc ends. So I might skip this one. Or come back when it’s ended. Not only is hard to keep up, especially since reading some of the side books seems to be mandatory now when it didn’t used to be, but I’m not too keen on the second journey if that’s what it comes to. I really didn’t like the first one because it just seemed to be out of nowhere and it literally destroyed everything that the protagonist had done in the first series or any prequel novel.
so I’m not a fan of it potentially happening here for the same reason. At least there’s a bit more foreshadowing if one goes all the way back to the Clans first arrived, but it still doesn’t feel right. I at least want to stick around for the upcoming super edition because maybe that will provide some background, but the lack of world building and very drawn out plot has really frustrating overall, and I really felt it with the last arc.
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Post by Wolfyy- on May 21, 2024 12:12:11 GMT -5
Okay, first of all, super excited about this! Second, how is no one mentioning the fact that it's all she-cat protagonists?? I feel like that is such a big point of contention in the community. She-cats aren't given as many lines or as much focus as toms, as pointed out by many fans. (And yes, there is the possibility that we could get a tom POV later on if, say, Leafstar dies, but at the moment, that's not the case.) |
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 21, 2024 13:28:21 GMT -5
Okay, first of all, super excited about this! Second, how is no one mentioning the fact that it's all she-cat protagonists?? I feel like that is such a big point of contention in the community. She-cats aren't given as many lines or as much focus as toms, as pointed out by many fans. (And yes, there is the possibility that we could get a tom POV later on if, say, Leafstar dies, but at the moment, that's not the case.) I think I commented on it pretty briefly as a sort of passive "oh, cool" sort of thing, but other than that, I think the reason why other people haven't is because... it's not really considered that big of a deal on here, or at least not enough of one to warrant any sort of major discussion the way, say, certain characters on their own would. Any time the topic is brought up, it tends to die down pretty quickly from what I've noticed. |
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Post by Wolfyy- on May 21, 2024 23:17:42 GMT -5
Okay, first of all, super excited about this! Second, how is no one mentioning the fact that it's all she-cat protagonists?? I feel like that is such a big point of contention in the community. She-cats aren't given as many lines or as much focus as toms, as pointed out by many fans. (And yes, there is the possibility that we could get a tom POV later on if, say, Leafstar dies, but at the moment, that's not the case.) I think I commented on it pretty briefly as a sort of passive "oh, cool" sort of thing, but other than that, I think the reason why other people haven't is because... it's not really considered that big of a deal on here, or at least not enough of one to warrant any sort of major discussion the way, say, certain characters on their own would. Any time the topic is brought up, it tends to die down pretty quickly from what I've noticed. Fair enough! I suppose it's moreso something I've seen on YouTube fairly often, rather than these forums. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 22, 2024 6:20:07 GMT -5
Okay, first of all, super excited about this! Second, how is no one mentioning the fact that it's all she-cat protagonists?? I feel like that is such a big point of contention in the community. She-cats aren't given as many lines or as much focus as toms, as pointed out by many fans. (And yes, there is the possibility that we could get a tom POV later on if, say, Leafstar dies, but at the moment, that's not the case.) I guess its because it doesn't feel like anything new or innovative. We've had plenty of past she-cat povs, or at least she-cat dominating povs in certain arcs, just like vice versa. We haven't truly had a solo pov, period, since the first arc, and the blurb for this imo never gave me the impression that this is much different from like TNP, OotS, AVoS, etc. |
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Post by Frostdawn on May 22, 2024 6:57:44 GMT -5
Female pov's are very common. Most books in general now a day's are mainly female pov's so it really isn't that big of a deal. Personally I prefer a mix of male and female pov's so I hope a tom cat ends up with a pov. Personally I'm not a Leafstar fan so I really hope she bites the dust in book 1 and someone else has a pov in the rest of the arc. |
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Post by Flamefrost on May 24, 2024 7:15:56 GMT -5
Okay, first of all, super excited about this! Second, how is no one mentioning the fact that it's all she-cat protagonists?? I feel like that is such a big point of contention in the community. She-cats aren't given as many lines or as much focus as toms, as pointed out by many fans. (And yes, there is the possibility that we could get a tom POV later on if, say, Leafstar dies, but at the moment, that's not the case.) Haven't we had more mainline she cat PoVs than male? Male PoVs (9): Firestar, Brambleclaw, Stormfur, Jayfeather, Lionblaze, Alderheart, Rootspring, Shadowsight, Nightheart. Female PoVs (10): Squirrelflight, Leafpool, Hollyleaf, Dovewing, Ivypool, Twigbranch, Violetshine, Bristlefrost, Sunbeam, Frostpaw Idk, I've never thought it was about the AMOUNT of attention that they get, but moreso that female PoVs almost solely focus on drab content like uninspired romance. I'm quite hopeful on this front tho, as I don't think these protagonists lend well to romance plots. At least, I hope not. |
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Post by Wolfyy- on May 24, 2024 10:18:35 GMT -5
Okay, first of all, super excited about this! Second, how is no one mentioning the fact that it's all she-cat protagonists?? I feel like that is such a big point of contention in the community. She-cats aren't given as many lines or as much focus as toms, as pointed out by many fans. (And yes, there is the possibility that we could get a tom POV later on if, say, Leafstar dies, but at the moment, that's not the case.) Haven't we had more mainline she cat PoVs than male? Male PoVs (9): Firestar, Brambleclaw, Stormfur, Jayfeather, Lionblaze, Alderheart, Rootspring, Shadowsight, Nightheart. Female PoVs (10): Squirrelflight, Leafpool, Hollyleaf, Dovewing, Ivypool, Twigbranch, Violetshine, Bristlefrost, Sunbeam, Frostpaw Idk, I've never thought it was about the AMOUNT of attention that they get, but moreso that female PoVs almost solely focus on drab content like uninspired romance. I'm quite hopeful on this front tho, as I don't think these protagonists lend well to romance plots. At least, I hope not. Plot twist: CrowxTawny *mic drop** |
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Post by Jaysnow on Jun 20, 2024 16:18:43 GMT -5
oh shit y'all they're bringing Darkstalker to warrior cats Get the strawberries ready, y'all. |
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Jun 20, 2024 16:27:48 GMT -5
Haven't we had more mainline she cat PoVs than male? Male PoVs (9): Firestar, Brambleclaw, Stormfur, Jayfeather, Lionblaze, Alderheart, Rootspring, Shadowsight, Nightheart. Female PoVs (10): Squirrelflight, Leafpool, Hollyleaf, Dovewing, Ivypool, Twigbranch, Violetshine, Bristlefrost, Sunbeam, Frostpaw Idk, I've never thought it was about the AMOUNT of attention that they get, but moreso that female PoVs almost solely focus on drab content like uninspired romance. I'm quite hopeful on this front tho, as I don't think these protagonists lend well to romance plots. At least, I hope not. Plot twist: CrowxTawny *mic drop** I’d honestly be scared if they did that, |
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Post by randomfandomfan on Jun 20, 2024 16:30:41 GMT -5
Haven't we had more mainline she cat PoVs than male? Male PoVs (9): Firestar, Brambleclaw, Stormfur, Jayfeather, Lionblaze, Alderheart, Rootspring, Shadowsight, Nightheart. Female PoVs (10): Squirrelflight, Leafpool, Hollyleaf, Dovewing, Ivypool, Twigbranch, Violetshine, Bristlefrost, Sunbeam, Frostpaw Idk, I've never thought it was about the AMOUNT of attention that they get, but moreso that female PoVs almost solely focus on drab content like uninspired romance. I'm quite hopeful on this front tho, as I don't think these protagonists lend well to romance plots. At least, I hope not. Plot twist: CrowxTawny *mic drop** crowfeather x tawnypelt? |
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Post by Wolfyy- on Jun 20, 2024 16:44:55 GMT -5
Plot twist: CrowxTawny *mic drop** crowfeather x tawnypelt? yes lol, but i was kidding  since they're both expected to go on the quest |
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#e5e7e9
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𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪
My favorite Cures: Passion, Moonlight, and Muse
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Jun 20, 2024 17:52:36 GMT -5
I never understood why they made a big deal over Crowfeather possibly becoming one of Windclan's greatest leaders in the beginning of TNP if they were going to make him retire instead.
Because, you know, age is just a number at this point in the series 🤪
Did anyone actually want Crowstar? Just curious. |
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Post by Jaysnow on Jun 21, 2024 14:35:36 GMT -5
SO I guess the POVs this book, if I'm reading the article correct, are Leafstar, Tawnypelt, and Moonpaw? Very strange trio. But should be interesting. I mean, Leafstar hasn't had a POV since SkyClan's Destiny (if we're counting the comics as separate things from the main books) and that was in 2010. Tawnypelt, who should have had a POV in The New Prophecy, let's be real, only got her first POV a few years ago in Path of a Warrior with Tawnypelt's Clan, and that was a short novella. This'll be the first time she's had a POV in the main series, and her SON is LEADER right now. And then we have the noob, Moonpaw the incest kid. Nice. Should be fun.
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Post by Jaysnow on Jun 21, 2024 17:28:13 GMT -5
Also, what was the point of not mentioning Moonpaw is from ThunderClan in the blurb the website released? They just revealed that info a few days after that, right?
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