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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 2, 2024 11:18:08 GMT -5
I do agree that Tawnypelt naming her tigerclone son after her father was probably not the best move. I get her reasoning, but it was a bit soon to be “breaking the stigma” of the prefix. It had only been, what, five years since Tigerstar died? EDIT: Wasn’t the purpose behind naming him Tigerkit specifically to break the hold of terror the name had over the clans? I don’t remember it having anything to do with honoring her father. Yeah, this is the part that's confusing me. Just because she named her kit after her father didn't mean she actually liked him or anything. I don't see why it suddenly makes her inconsistent. Regarding it, Kate said during an Erin Hunter Chat: Like I said before, it's no different than Firestar giving Bramble the -claw suffix, albeit in a far more blatant way. Also, these cats count by moons, so five years would be considered a longer time for them than it would for us. Maybe Tawnypelt thought it'd been long enough.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on May 2, 2024 14:08:45 GMT -5
The blatancy is the issue. Cats aren't uncomfortable with Brambleclaw having the suffix. It's a fairly common suffix in all four clans. They are when they hear Tigerheart's suffix.
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I need to finish An Isolated Clan ahhhhh
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on May 2, 2024 14:48:06 GMT -5
As for the DF training, it makes no sense she'd reject Tigerstar only to name her kid after him in the next arc. Honestly, considering she went to join ShadowClan despite knowing her father was bad while her brother rejected him, I don't understand why they swapped Bramble & Tawny's characterizations in the next arc with Brambleclaw training with Tigerstar & Tawnypelt rejecting him. Like... I understand Brambleclaw wanting to get close to Hawkfrost but arc 1 Brambleclaw would not touch Tigerstar in a 6 foot pole while Tawnypelt would jump to his side when things get tough. It does make sense though. Like I said previously, she never supported her father’s actions. While I can agree naming her child after her father so early after his death was very unreasonable, she did it in the intention to get rid of the bad reputation of the prefix. Also, if you think about it the swapped characterization does make sense. Tawnypelt was probably traumatized by what she saw Tigerstar do in ShadowClan and/or TigerClan during that time. Why would she ever want to join in on that?? She’s not a villainous character with any bad morals, it wouldn’t make sense for her to embrace her father killing people, especially after watching it happen many times. Brambleclaw fell under Tigerstar’s trap of manipulation after the idea of training with him being sugar coated as not morally wrong. Tawnypelt already knew what he was doing beforehand.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on May 2, 2024 17:31:26 GMT -5
She abandoned her mother and brother, who were (probably, in Goldenflower's case) going through the same thing as she did. Sure she has the right to leave but imagine how hurt her mother and brother felt. No matter how badly written Bramblestar is, he was a child whose sister decided she would rather treat him and her own mother like an enemy then stick with them through hardship. It's really as simple as that for me, I don't like that she abandoned her family. Yes it was hard for her but she ABANDONED HER FAMILY. She didn't just move away, they're not guaranteed to see her again except at a gathering if they're lucky enough to be picked on the patrol the same moon she is. I can't stand what she did because she abandoned her family. That's really the core of it for me. No matter how bad things were for her she abandoned her family and that just is something I have difficulty abiding by. And, well, remember she didn't join ShadowClan. She joined TigerClan. The clan her father was leader of. You do not join the clan your tyrant father controls expect to be your own cat. Tigerstar sure didn't think so. Honestly I chalk it up to writing inconsistency that Tawny rejected him later. I know this sounds harsh on Tawny (TBH it is, but I wouldn't dislike her if the writers would just acknowledge how the wrote her. She made some questionable choices. Acknowledge it, Erins.) Honestly, despite the fact abandoning your mother & brother & willingly becoming their enemy for your tyrant father is scummy, it's the thing I give her the most leeway for because she was young and kids don't think everything through Naming her kid after Tigerstar is unforgivable though. It's plain insulting to his victims for her to play up Tigerstar's virtues despite the fact he literally tried to kill 2 innocent children she later became friends with & killed one of her friend's mentor. I don't care if Tigerstar is her father, treated her well, & was good at some stuff, what did she think Mistystar & Stonefur would feel? Obviously nothing because Tawnypelt has proven herself to be a selfish cat with little regard for the feelings of others. As for the DF training, it makes no sense she'd reject Tigerstar only to name her kid after him in the next arc. Honestly, considering she went to join ShadowClan despite knowing her father was bad while her brother rejected him, I don't understand why they swapped Bramble & Tawny's characterizations in the next arc with Brambleclaw training with Tigerstar & Tawnypelt rejecting him. Like... I understand Brambleclaw wanting to get close to Hawkfrost but arc 1 Brambleclaw would not touch Tigerstar in a 6 foot pole while Tawnypelt would jump to his side when things get tough. That's true. The part where Tawnypaw is discovered missing in TDH is the hardest for me to read about though. I feel so bad for Bramblepaw (who did nothing wrong in the first arc and nothing to deserve permanently losing his sister). I'm not denying Tawnypelt was in a tough spot, but I think faced with the choice of facing hostility where you lived or betraying your family...I think that the better option is to choose their family. Tawnypelt's Clan should have taken place in the first arc or maybe just after and dealt with exploring Tawnypelt's choice in more depth.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on May 2, 2024 19:45:52 GMT -5
I think that Tawnypelt is written as a strong "dark action girl". However, acknowledging in text that she made mistakes wouldn't weaken her at all, speaking as a woman. Strong characters aren't perfect. Nobody is perfect. It may be out of character for Tawny to admit she made mistakes, but that doesn't mean her mistakes don't exist. She's more interesting this way and still a strong character.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on May 2, 2024 21:18:34 GMT -5
I don't mind that she ended up in ShadowClan necessarily as a plot point (even if it's sad to me) I just think it was badly fleshed out LOL.
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Post by ¯\_(ツ)_/¯IvyStar¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on May 2, 2024 21:18:49 GMT -5
Yes yes and further more yes. I hate Tigerstar II so much (pretty much like every other forum, also yes I am back after 3 months )
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 3, 2024 2:59:07 GMT -5
I'll be honest, I never really cared for her much, I was always neutral on her, because the Erins never utilized her properly, not even in AVoS. And I kinda lost any interest completely after she just straight-up killed Berrynose...I guess for plot?
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Post by Viperstrike on May 4, 2024 14:26:32 GMT -5
After rereading A Dangerous Path, one thing that irked me about Tawnypelt eventually leaving ThunderClan to go live with Tigerstar is that Tigerstar almost massacred her entire Clan, including her mother. She saw what those dogs had done to Brightheart and Swiftpaw. That would have been EVERYONE. That’s one of the most evil acts in the entire series and Tawnypelt knew her father was behind it. She was right there when Fireheart confronted Darkstripe about trying to take the kits to safety while abandoning everyone else to die. She might not have been in on it to begin with, but she knew by the time she left. It’s cold hearted to me that she was comfortable enough to abandon her family and Clan for someone like that. I don’t care how young, unhappy, or judged she felt.
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