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Post by cygna on Apr 17, 2024 11:33:56 GMT -5
Ashfur did some epic shit as a villain, I'll give him that, but him using the code to tear down the clans... honestly the plotline feels wasted on him.
Mapleshade though... she's one of the biggest victims of the Warrior Code apart from her own children. Yes, she should've known better & she was stupid, but no code breaker suffered for a half-Clan affair as much as she did, in fact, the rest of them pretty much got away with it.
Bluestar -> Became Leader
Oakheart -> Became Deputy
Graystripe -> Became Deputy
Leafpool -> Got to keep her job as Medicine Cat & had prophecy kits
Crowfeather -> Became Deputy
Tigerheartstar -> Became Leader
Dovewing -> Moved to SC with no consequence
It would make her going out of her way to make codebreakers suffer more impactful than Ashfur, because in her head she'd be thinking "If I had to suffer for breaking the code, so will they"
Now why would she possess Bramblestar?
Bramblestar is the descendant of Oakstar Bramblestar is TC's leader & she hates TC most of all
Shadowsight is also a descendant of Oakstar. Sending him "Omens" that get others killed would be something she wants. He can be the little scapegoat, he can be another Ravenwing, but one that she has control over.
I think in a world where this happened instead of Ashfur though, Riverclan would also obviously be more involved. Mistystar & Reedwhisker are Appledusk's descendants and Mothwing is another descendant of Oakstar.
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Post by Whispering Willow on Apr 17, 2024 12:15:14 GMT -5
Eh. While Mapleshade being the villain of TBC would make sense, I've personally had enough of her. It was enough that she was helping Ashfur (whom I also wasn't very happy with being the villain, but it was okay). I honestly don't think I would have enjoyed TBC if Mapleshade had been the main villain, not unless they managed to do something different with her. For me, her presence in the series has overstayed its welcome.
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 17, 2024 12:28:59 GMT -5
Oh god please no.
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Post by cygna on Apr 17, 2024 14:45:37 GMT -5
Eh. While Mapleshade being the villain of TBC would make sense, I've personally had enough of her. It was enough that she was helping Ashfur (whom I also wasn't very happy with being the villain, but it was okay). I honestly don't think I would have enjoyed TBC if Mapleshade had been the main villain, not unless they managed to do something different with her. For me, her presence in the series has overstayed its welcome. I mean, if she was the final boss last arc she’d be dead & gone by this one and we’d never see her again. But no, she’s going to stuck in every book possible for who knows how long. I think and actual arc where she gets a proper send off would be better than keeping her around.
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Post by Whispering Willow on Apr 17, 2024 15:18:45 GMT -5
Eh. While Mapleshade being the villain of TBC would make sense, I've personally had enough of her. It was enough that she was helping Ashfur (whom I also wasn't very happy with being the villain, but it was okay). I honestly don't think I would have enjoyed TBC if Mapleshade had been the main villain, not unless they managed to do something different with her. For me, her presence in the series has overstayed its welcome. I mean, if she was the final boss last arc she’d be dead & gone by this one and we’d never see her again. But no, she’s going to stuck in every book possible for who knows how long. I think and actual arc where she gets a proper send off would be better than keeping her around. I don't really agree that she needs an entire arc dedicated to her in order to be properly killed off a second time. They could easily have done it last arc without her taking up the main villain role. They probably chose not to because they do intend to use her again, which is irritating, but I still don't believe it's necessary for her to have a whole arc. I didn't even think that Ashfur needed his own arc. But that's just my opinion, others will of course see it differently.
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Post by dandelions on Apr 17, 2024 15:57:03 GMT -5
In my ideal world Mapleshade would have gone out in The Last Hope. I’d have her attack Leafpool instead of Sandstorm, out of envy for Leafpool not only retaining her place in her clan (stepping down as a medicine cat was voluntary, iirc?), but having two of her half-clan kits be prophecized heroes. Hollyleaf could have been the one to take her down as a show of forgiveness for Leafpool, I think her stepping in in defense of her mother would be more meaningful than what we actually got for Hollyleaf. A whole Mapleshade-centric arc feels like too much in my opinion, for a villain I feel is already painfully overused. I do agree the codebreaking focus would have been more impactful coming from a character whose story had more to do with the code than Ashfur, though.
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#add8e6
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*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Apr 17, 2024 22:22:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't have minded if Mapleshade was the main villain of TBC. She's been wasted potential for such a long time.
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