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Post by stupidflower on Jun 29, 2024 18:58:02 GMT -5
I mean, didn’t Jagged Peak know that Tom had taken the kits with the intent to hide them inside a garage for the rest of their lives knowing the Twolegs would take them otherwise, and reveled in Turtle Tail’s death? The kits themselves didn’t know that, would they still want to know Tom if they knew how he’d been towards their mother? Was there a way to be sure Tom was truly safe for his kits to be near after that?
Also Sparrow Fur was only about 8 moons at the most at this time. The cats were more lenient about where younger cats could go then, but it still wasn’t safe to let her go completely on her own, I don’t think, not on the open moor and in technically enemy territory. I’m not paying attention to how Gray Wing reacted or what happened to Sparrow Fur, rather how Jagged Peak acted on his own.
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Post by asrise on Jun 29, 2024 19:47:06 GMT -5
This is kind of a hard one, if we're just going from Jagged Peak's judgement. I mean, Sparrow Fur isn't exactly a little kit, but it's still a bad idea to let her leave the territory completely alone even if Jagged Peak didn't know anything about Tom. So yes, it was negligent, especially since he was told to look after her.
I also just don't understand the argument that Grey Wing isn't right to snap at him for this. I mean, given what happened to Sparrow Fur, why wouldn't he? It would be strange if he was completely calm, in my opinion.
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Post by sandfeather on Jun 29, 2024 20:24:09 GMT -5
Read some of these, I was interested to reply about Ivypool, I hope that's okay.
Ivypool: I'm really pissed off at how Dovewing handled her situation. She was shitty to her clan, her parents and her sister about the situation. Everyone was worried about her, only for Dovewing to return and say "I'm ditching my sister and family for a shitty guy!" It's okay to fall in love with Tigerstar, but she was very shallow about how she handled it. People were worried about her, and Dovewing left with irritated, half-assed replies. She didn't even want to say goodbye, Alderheart told her to say goodbye, her plan was to abandon her worrying clan without a notice that she's still alive. Ivypool had every ****ing right to ignore her when Dovewing said goodbye, so I'm gonna say justified. Why people defend Dovewing and her selfishness just so she can be "happy with Tigerstar", I don't understand it. She should have moved years ago. I would've been happier with it if she moved back after The Last Hope when she fulfilled the prophecy.
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Post by kitters on Jun 29, 2024 21:12:26 GMT -5
I just don't understand why she asked jagged peak of all cats. His response to her asking him should have been "go ask gray wing or tall shadow."
I don't think anyone is in the wrong here except one eye. She was basically an adult after all. If an 18 year old human wanted to meet with her estranged dad, even if he has a history of abuse, it's their choice.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 30, 2024 2:58:03 GMT -5
Unjustified.
Considering what happened, I don't blame Gray Wing for being enraged over the situation. Dude has lost enough loved ones, and he didn't need to lose one of his own daughters too. On the other hand, I just don't know why anyone would think it was a good idea to let Sparrow Fur leave on her own, period, especially when they all knew about Tom's reputation. Jagged Peak should have at least told Gray Wing about it, and Clear Sky shouldn't have just stood there like a rock and let his niece almost get iced. It's like neither had a brain here, but one is obviously worse than the other. I just find it crazy that the one that Sparrow Fur went to go see was the one that saved her life in the end, and ironically also died in the same instance.
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jul 1, 2024 17:25:35 GMT -5
With 8 votes for Justified and 12 votes for Unjustified, Jagged Peak is Unjustified! Next scenario: Thistleclaw 2: In Bluestar’s Prophecy, Bluefur, Thistleclaw, and Tigerpaw happen upon a lost kitten in ThunderClan territory after Tigerpaw tracks him down. Despite Bluefur’s protests, Thistleclaw allows, even encourages, his apprentice to attack the kit to punish him for trespassing. Before Tigerpaw can potentially kill him, Bluefur finally intervenes, threatening to report them to Sunstar if they do it again. Was Thistleclaw justified in allowing and goading his apprentice to attack the kit, treating him as an intruder? The respective scene is provided below. Tigerpaw attacks Tiny:
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Post by MadameDelune on Jul 1, 2024 18:22:31 GMT -5
Unjustified! Although the warrior code states you should challenge all intruders on your territory.. it also says you should protect kits from anywhere. Or maybe that last one wasn’t added to the warrior code at that time?? Regardless, Thistleclaw has a brain. Obviously he has to know a tiny kitten like Tiny wasn’t going to harm ThunderClan in any sort of capacity. He just loves bloodshed and uses any excuse he can get for violence.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 1, 2024 18:34:00 GMT -5
Absolutely unjustified!
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 1, 2024 18:40:03 GMT -5
Unjustified! Although the warrior code states you should challenge all intruders on your territory.. it also says you should protect kits from anywhere. Or maybe that last one wasn’t added to the warrior code at that time?? It had actually been a part of the warrior code for awhile now by this point, at least if you follow Code of the Clans, specifically the twelfth one to be added. But yeah, even if it wasn't, a kit is still a kit.
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*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jul 1, 2024 20:23:49 GMT -5
Unjustified.
Thistleclaw encouraging Tigerpaw to attack the kit was way too much. A kit isn't a threat.
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