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Post by thehiddenicewolf on Jun 18, 2024 4:28:00 GMT -5
Unjustified, honestly Raggedpelt didn't need to go that far just cuz he was furious with him
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Non-binary
flipwish
when do we get more hairless warrior cats
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Post by flipwish on Jun 18, 2024 8:41:06 GMT -5
raggedpelt killing his dad like yes my default response to anger is to impulsively lash out and then lie about it afterwards. i'm sure this will serve me well in a romantic relationship with the cat i used as an excuse to kill a guy
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jun 18, 2024 19:13:55 GMT -5
Unjustified. Raggedpelt had a right to defend his Clan, but he didn't need to kill.
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jun 19, 2024 17:15:53 GMT -5
With 5 votes for Justified and 17 votes for Unjustified, Raggedpelt is Unjustified! Next scenario: Tawnypelt: In Darkest Night, Tawnypelt argues with Scorchfur when he accuses Rowanstar of being a weak and incapable leader. She defends her mate, but Scorchfur persists, blaming Rowanstar for Darktail taking over ShadowClan, and eventually, Tawnypelt snaps and claws him. Scorchfur attacks her as a result and nearly blinds her. Was Tawnypelt justified in starting a fight with Scorchfur over Rowanstar? Scorchfur's argument with Tawnypelt and Rowanstar is provided below. The argument:
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 20, 2024 0:45:29 GMT -5
Unjustified. If she's going to resort to attacking him then he has the right to defend himself. I'll never understand people getting angry at Scorchfur for that, simply because he happened to almost hit her eye, but completely ignore the fact that she attacked him first over words. If she can't keep her cool during an argument like that, then she doesn't deserve to even be in a position of power. Using violence under those circumstances solves nothing, so I don't even blame Scorchfur for wanting to leave after, despite feeling guilty even though, again, he had the RIGHT to defend himself.
Her using violence to defend Rowanstar only makes HIM look even more incompetent, especially when he wasn't even the one to stop the fight in the first place. I blame it on bad writing, but I still won't excuse how horrendous of a leader Rowan was at the time. Even Alderheart pointed out that no one was in control of ShadowClan.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jun 20, 2024 13:52:58 GMT -5
Responding to mean words with violence isn’t justified.
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Post by silverstarpenguin on Jun 21, 2024 11:05:04 GMT -5
I think she was unjustified. Although Scorchfur was provoking her, defending her mate, the Clan leader with a bad repuattion, made him look weak in a moment when he had to prove his strength. It was normal for her to defend him, but violence is not the answer, especially coming from a warrior with her experience.
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jun 21, 2024 17:31:25 GMT -5
With 6 votes for Justified and 14 votes for Unjustified, Tawnypelt is Unjustified! Next scenario: Fireheart and Graystripe: In Forest of Secrets, after saving Mistyfoot’s kits from the flood, Fireheart and Graystripe discover that RiverClan has been forced out of their camp and that they are struggling to survive. The two warriors offer to provide ThunderClan prey to RiverClan to help them survive, and Crookedstar accepts. They do so in secret, and eventually, Tigerclaw catches and reports them. Bluestar punishes them, and they can no longer help RiverClan. Were Fireheart and Graystripe justified in giving RiverClan ThunderClan prey during the flood, without asking for permission from Bluestar? (credit to Saint Ambrosef) The original agreement and their punishment are provided below. The agreement: Punishment:
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Post by silverstarpenguin on Jun 22, 2024 5:06:07 GMT -5
Were they justified in helping another Clan survive? Sure. But they shouldn't have done it behind their Clan leader's back. Bluestar was a sensitive cat and she wouldn't have refused to help, especially if the lives of Stonefur, Mistyfoot and her kits were at sake.
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jun 23, 2024 17:05:09 GMT -5
With 15 votes for Justified and 4 votes for Unjustified, Fireheart and Graystripe are Justified! Next scenario: Casper: In Riverstar’s Home, Casper comes across River Ripple, Night, and his mate, Cleo, as Night is teaching Cleo how to swim. Assuming that Night is drowning her, he attacks her, inflicting a dangerous wound before Cleo stops him. He is scolded by Cleo, and River Ripple and Night are unimpressed, with Night’s distrust of other cats further solidified after the incident. Casper, however, is remorseful. Was Casper justified in attacking Night under the assumption that she was going to kill his mate? Casper's attack and Night's distrust are provided below. Attack: Night's distrust:
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jun 24, 2024 1:25:42 GMT -5
Given the times this happened in, where Clear Sky and his cats are attacking on whim, it makes sense he would act first think later.
He didn't know if River and Night were with the mountain cats. The mountain cats made things very difficult and hostile for the cats already living there.
So I feel like he was justified. Because if Night just so happened to be horrible, his mate would've died. The fact that he is at least remorseful and makes up for it is enough to say that he's not a horrible cat.
Just one in unfortunate circumstances thanks to Clear Sky and the rest of the tribe cats.
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jun 25, 2024 17:13:39 GMT -5
With 7 votes for Justified and 7 votes for Unjustified, Casper's judgment is Undecided. Next one is a throwaway follow-up to the Yellowfang one about Squirrelflight's kits: Feathertail: In Leafpool’s Wish, Leafpool is pregnant with Crowfeather’s kits. On separate occasions, Yellowfang and Feathertail ask Squirrelflight to raise the kits. This request requires Squirrelflight to lie to her mate, Brambleclaw, about being their father. Squirrelflight initially refuses Yellowfang’s request for this reason, but with further pressure from Feathertail, she agrees. Was Feathertail justified in supporting Yellowfang and asking Squirrelflight to raise Leafpool’s kits? Yellowfang and Feathertail's requests are provided below. Yellowfang: Feathertail:
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jun 25, 2024 17:50:01 GMT -5
Not justified.
I get that Feathertail was also concerned for the well being of the kits, but pressuring Squirrelflight to raise them wasn't the greatest way to do it.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jun 26, 2024 2:14:47 GMT -5
Unjustified.
Squirrelflight shouldn't have been pressured, and then lied to, to raise kits that weren't hers. I think without StarClan manipulating her;she would have raised those kits in the end, because she knew the kind of life they'd have if she didn't.
They really didn't need to go that far, especially lying to her about her fertility. It was all sorts of messed up bullshit
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Jun 26, 2024 6:32:22 GMT -5
I feel like Feathertail and Yellowfang should be lumped together; they're basically gaslighting Squirrelflight into taking the kits... no matter how you look at it, they're both unjustified.
I have multiple things to say about Yellowfang's exchange in particular, but I'll refrain...
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jun 26, 2024 9:05:19 GMT -5
I feel like Feathertail and Yellowfang should be lumped together; they're basically gaslighting Squirrelflight into taking the kits... no matter how you look at it, they're both unjustified. I have multiple things to say about Yellowfang's exchange in particular, but I'll refrain... Yeah they should be lumped together, but I didn't think of it back when I did Yellowfang's part.
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Post by Woofzie on Jun 26, 2024 15:42:21 GMT -5
Looking back, it was really obvious that Yellowfang was lying to Squirrelflight about being barren lol. But yeah, ofc unjustified. I really want to know the arguments of those who voted justified, just curious.
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