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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jul 6, 2024 6:48:05 GMT -5
I say justified. This dude literally just tried to murder her and her siblings, prior to his own murder. While some may say it was unjustified for her to murder, the asshat got what was coming to him.
Who's to say he wouldn't try to hurt anyone else after? Considering the events of TBC, he wouldn't have stopped at revealing the truth.
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Post by 🎃👻 Slightdapple 👻🎃 on Jul 6, 2024 19:43:06 GMT -5
I would say justified.
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Post by Jaysnow on Jul 6, 2024 19:45:14 GMT -5
Justified. Ashfur is scum, and stuff that happened moons after those events prove this over and over again.
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Post by asrise on Jul 6, 2024 20:43:42 GMT -5
Well, I'll have to say unjustified, but it's close.
I don't think that the only option was killing Ashfur, even if he did deserve it. On top of that, Hollyleaf just spills the secret anyways, so not much was really accomplished. If Ashfur had lived, he probably would not be in ThunderClan much longer after it came out he attempted to kill 3 cats, including a medicine cat. If Squirrelflight was lucky, Ashfur could have delegitimized himself through his own actions.
Now, Hollyleaf does have good reason to kill him, and I don't really blame her. But doing so wasn't the best option for anyone, and she failed to consider that.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 7, 2024 7:34:16 GMT -5
Definitely unjustified. A little unnerved how many people think it was justified.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 7, 2024 7:45:07 GMT -5
This is an interesting one, because yes, Ashfur was awful. On the other hand, it'd be one thing if she actually did it in self-defense or if her motive really had been to silence him... but it wasn't. Even Hollyleaf herself admitted that it wasn't! So, I think I'm going with unjustified for this one, though I can't exactly blame Hollyleaf for killing him at all, either.
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Post by Known Troll Account on Jul 7, 2024 16:51:33 GMT -5
While I enjoyed her story, I'm gonna have to say unjustified. Hollyleaf should have reported Ashfur right after the incident. I get that she was afraid of him telling the truth, but he hardly knew anything. He just knew that Squirrelflight lied, so what damage would it have done besides shame Squirrelflight? Ashfur threatened her and her siblings. After he let them go, they should have immediately reported his ass. Leafpool telling Hollyleaf the truth was more damaging than what Ashfur knew tbh. She ran off right after because she was scared of the consequences, leaving her brothers to face the gossip and shame alone. It was pretty selfish of her to leave her brothers.
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jul 7, 2024 16:55:21 GMT -5
With 12 votes for Justified and 13 votes for Unjustified, Hollyleaf is Unjustified! Next scenario: Mistystar 2: In Veil of Shadows, during the battle against ShadowClan, Icewing and Harelight fight with ShadowClan rather than against them. At the Gathering, despite that Bramblestar has been shown to be an impostor and taken hostage by ShadowClan, Mistystar decides to exile the two warriors for disobeying her. Tigerstar takes Icewing and Harelight in, alongside Mothwing, who refuses Mistystar’s offer to return to RiverClan in order to stand in solidarity with her exiled Clanmates. Was Mistystar justified in exiling Icewing and Harelight for turning against the impostor? The scene for Icewing and Harelight's exile is provided below. Icewing and Harelight's exile:
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jul 7, 2024 22:53:34 GMT -5
Mistystar was out of her ever loving mind as she got older. Supporting the imposter? Really Mistystar?
No way was she justified in her actions.
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jul 9, 2024 17:19:37 GMT -5
With 0 votes for Justified and 20 votes for Unjustified, Mistystar is Unjustified! Next scenario: Spiderstar: In SkyClan’s Destiny, the last SkyClan leader, Spiderstar, decides to disband SkyClan after a brutal loss to the rats. Despite the deputy, Honeyleaf’s protests, as the cats reveal that many have been eating kittypet food and they begin to believe that StarClan has abandoned them, they begin deciding where every cat will go. Spiderstar himself stays in the gorge with the elders and their medicine cat. Was Spiderstar justified in disbanding SkyClan, rather than searching for another solution to the rat problem? (credit to Saint Ambrosef) The scene is provided below. Spiderstar disbands SkyClan:
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jul 12, 2024 15:33:05 GMT -5
With 16 votes for Justified and 3 votes for Unjustified, Spiderstar is Justified! Next scenario: Jayfeather: In Crowfeather’s Trial, Crowfeather travels to ThunderClan to ask for herbs to treat Breezepelt’s stoat bite, as Kestrelflight is out of burdock root. Initially, Jayfeather refuses to provide Crowfeather with burdock root, saying that he cannot forgive his father and half-brother for their past actions. As Crowfeather is leaving, Jayfeather seemingly has a change of heart and gives him some burdock root, unwilling to allow a cat to die, even Breezepelt. Was Jayfeather justified in initially rejecting Crowfeather’s request for burdock root to save Breezepelt? The scene is provided below. Jayfeather Refuses to Help Breezepelt:
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Post by .: pouncefeather :. on Jul 12, 2024 16:53:54 GMT -5
I beleive he is unjustified, leaving a cat to possibly pass away over a personal dispute is not acceptable as a healer. But, i can see where people may say he IS justified, due to getting attacked at the moonpool and breezepelts resentment for him may have casused him to not give him the herb. But at the same time that dispute was a while ago.
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Post by 🎃👻🦇Brambleheart🦇👻🎃 on Jul 12, 2024 18:32:00 GMT -5
i love you jayfeather but please no
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this halloween i am doing the spookiest thing of all- an exam!
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Post by 🎃👻🦇Brambleheart🦇👻🎃 on Jul 12, 2024 18:34:05 GMT -5
hi its me your boi jayfeather, to be fair this was breezepelt we're talking about, i didn't know he was slightly less bad
but yeah that was silly of me
sorry dad
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Post by asrise on Jul 12, 2024 20:11:06 GMT -5
Not justified.
I know it's Breezepelt and all, but it's still a violation of the medicine cat code for personal reasons.
At least he changed his mind before any harm was done, though.
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Post by 🎃👻 Slightdapple 👻🎃 on Jul 12, 2024 20:32:29 GMT -5
Unjustified. He admitted this himself.
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Post by silverstarpenguin on Jul 13, 2024 1:52:54 GMT -5
I'm actually thinking he was justified to refuse. Breezepelt tried to kill him alongside Brokenstar, and Crowfeather rejected his kits for some time. There was a time when Breezepelt wanted him dead, so he refused since he still hadn't forgiven him, not because he was from another Clan.
However, I'm glad he changed his mind and offered help, because he proved that he is an honorable cat who is above petty rivalries and won't let them get in the way of his duty.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jul 13, 2024 21:18:35 GMT -5
Unjustified.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jul 13, 2024 22:22:09 GMT -5
I'd have to go with unjustified, due to the medicine code. But I do wanna say:
I'd totally get it if he chose not to. I know I wouldn't help him. And I'd tell them both to eff off.
He had every right to not want to help his shitty half brother. And I don't blame him one bit. So he would be justified had he'd not been bound by the medicine cat code.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 14, 2024 14:40:45 GMT -5
refusing to help someone in dire need because of a grudge/past mistreatment will never be justified to me
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jul 14, 2024 17:02:30 GMT -5
With 5 votes for Justified and 22 votes for Unjustified, Jayfeather is Unjustified! Wind Runner 2: In The Blazing Star, Wind Runner leaves Tall Shadow’s group as a result of her grief over losing Morning Whisker, believing that her kits may have survived if she had stayed a rogue. Later, Thunder and Lightning Tail visit Wind Runner’s family to ask for their help against One Eye. Wind Runner refuses to help Clear Sky get his camp back, but asks them to give her information about the Blazing Star, wishing to keep her family safe and believing that they owe her information for the deaths of her kits. She does eventually decide to help, however, appearing in the final battle against One Eye. Was Wind Runner justified in refusing to help the other groups save Clear Sky’s group? The scene is provided below. Wind Runner Refuses to Help Clear Sky:
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jul 14, 2024 22:44:43 GMT -5
Definitely justified. She owed nothing to them, especially Clear Sky.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jul 15, 2024 16:27:01 GMT -5
Justified. She wasn't in the group anymore and didn't have to help.
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Post by Sphinxwhisker on Jul 15, 2024 16:31:00 GMT -5
Refusing to help Clear Sky is justified by default… /jk. But seriously, she had no obligation to help him.
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Post by asrise on Jul 15, 2024 16:55:19 GMT -5
She didn't have anything to do with Clear Sky's group at all, so I don't see why she would have a responsibility to help him. It was his own mistake that led to One Eye's takeover anyways.
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Post by 🎃👻 Slightdapple 👻🎃 on Jul 15, 2024 20:40:55 GMT -5
Justified. She had no reason to help Clear Sky after everything he had done.
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Post by .: pouncefeather :. on Jul 16, 2024 15:33:53 GMT -5
justified!! (I just read DoTC and I remember siding with wind runner)
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jul 16, 2024 20:22:50 GMT -5
With 18 votes for Justified and 3 votes for Unjustified, Wind Runner is Justified! Next scenario: Duststar: In Code of the Clans, the first rule of the warrior code--that warriors must remain loyal to their Clans over friendships--comes about as a result of a WindClan warrior, Ryewhisker’s tragic death while protecting his pregnant RiverClan mate, Cloudberry, in battle. Duststar blames Ryewhisker’s death on his relationship with Cloudberry, and proposes that cats must place their Clans above their friendships. The other leaders agree, with the stipulation that the Clans will be at peace during full moons. Was Duststar justified in proposing this new law? Ryewhisker's death and Duststar's proposal are provided below. Ryewhisker's death: Duststar's Proposal:
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Post by flipwish on Jul 16, 2024 21:41:18 GMT -5
i love code of the clans topics here. I think about duststar's rule often. I will always think it was unjustified - it is very telling of what the clans are like that the first code was something that encouraged more isolation and hostility between the clans, and that the "don't need to kill to win a battle" code was so much later.
at the same time, though, would it have been as entertaining if they weren't garbage? probably not lol. But in universe...not great
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Jul 17, 2024 3:30:02 GMT -5
i think he was justified in proposing this law
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