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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Feb 26, 2024 18:07:53 GMT -5
What was the worst-written death in warrior cats? As in, what did not help the story and basically wasn’t good in the long run, regardless of how it felt when it first happened.
I mean Purdys death is just so misplaced in the story but I still love him and his final words were pretty good. However, there are characters that were better fit for him to talk to, like Jayfeather, bramblestar, Squilf, etc.
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 26, 2024 18:09:06 GMT -5
I hate to be that guy....but Firestar. It was just so poorly written and felt very anticlimactic.
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Feb 26, 2024 18:10:26 GMT -5
I hate to be that guy....but Firestar. It was just so poorly written and felt very anticlimactic. I definitely understand where you’re coming from, if they actually built it a bit more up earlier in the book it would have been better.
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Feb 26, 2024 18:11:13 GMT -5
And spottedleafs death was so corny… “Sandstorm made him happy!” Just sounds so dumb
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Post by iceheart on Feb 26, 2024 19:30:06 GMT -5
Sorry, but Bristlefrost. Shadowsight has gotten so many cats killed, and there was absolutely no point for him to be at the final battle other than to make sure ShadowClan was represented. There was no reason for him to be there, and if anyone had to die, it should have been him since this series loves to make cats "atone" for their actions in death. Bristlefrost did not have to die, and it was honestly poorly written the way she apparently was prepared for a new life, and then just goes and saves Shadowsight (despite Shadowsight's father literally saying "yeah we'll just leave your kids there since I've got mine back). There's no meaning to her saving Shadowsight because they have no relationship together. It would've made more sense if she was saving Rootspring. Her death was incredibly random and seemed to happen simply for shock factor, not because it made an impact on the story.
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Feb 26, 2024 19:35:16 GMT -5
Sorry, but Bristlefrost. Shadowsight has gotten so many cats killed, and there was absolutely no point for him to be at the final battle other than to make sure ShadowClan was represented. There was no reason for him to be there, and if anyone had to die, it should have been him since this series loves to make cats "atone" for their actions in death. Bristlefrost did not have to die, and it was honestly poorly written the way she apparently was prepared for a new life, and then just goes and saves Shadowsight (despite Shadowsight's father literally saying "yeah we'll just leave your kids there since I've got mine back). There's no meaning to her saving Shadowsight because they have no relationship together. It would've made more sense if she was saving Rootspring. Her death was incredibly random and seemed to happen simply for shock factor, not because it made an impact on the story. Shadowsight has gone through the most suffering of the three protagonists, he’s been ridiculed by his own mentors, attacked to near-death, and many other horrible things. If he died, it would have been a miserable ending. Honestly, Rootspring seems like the best of the three to have been killed like this, but I’m still fine with bristlefrost
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 26, 2024 20:00:33 GMT -5
Honeyfern's comes to mind, I think. More so in the way of how pointless her death felt in hindsight. Also, any few deaths that happened in what was supposed to be a concerning event. For example, the sickness that swept through ThunderClan which left Briarlight the only casualty. Or, more recently, the outbreak that killed Rowankit. Firestar's was pretty underwhelming, too.
As for Bristlefrost, I loved her death scene, but it definitely would've been more impactful if she'd actually had any sort of relationship with Shadowsight prior to it (one thing that annoyed me about TBC) or if she had died saving Rootspring or even vice versa as a beautifully morbid call-back to their first meeting.
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Post by iceheart on Feb 26, 2024 20:43:32 GMT -5
Honeyfern's comes to mind, I think. More so in the way of how pointless her death felt in hindsight. Also, any few deaths that happened in what was supposed to be a concerning event. For example, the sickness that swept through ThunderClan which left Briarlight the only casualty. Or, more recently, the outbreak that killed Rowankit. Firestar's was pretty underwhelming, too. As for Bristlefrost, I loved her death scene, but it definitely would've been more impactful if she'd actually had any sort of relationship with Shadowsight prior to it (one thing that annoyed me about TBC) or if she had died saving Rootspring or even vice versa as a beautifully morbid call-back to their first meeting. Yeah, this is my biggest gripe - she and Shadowsight had *no* relationship whatsoever. Shadowsight's dad was literally willing to leave Bristlefrost to rot in the DF. She's alluded to them being kin a few times, but all the times Bristlefrost went to fight for Shadowsight was because Rootspring was there. There's nothing connecting her to Shadowsight other than them being kin. I also think that if she died saving Rootspring, it would've been much more impactful for him and on the story line in general. Saving Shadowsight was just another of his damsel-in-distress moments, and although I don't necessarily object to her being the character who died (although I still firmly believe it should have been Shadowsight), it honestly should have been for Rootspring. It also would've given a lot more incentive to the code being changed to allow for cross-Clan love if Bristlefrost had saved Rootspring because she had loved him.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Feb 26, 2024 21:37:16 GMT -5
I gotta agree that Firestar's death wasn't great. It wasn't super terribly written, but it was confusing and super anticlimatic.
I still think Mistystar's death is funny. Keeled over like an old lady at bingo.
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Feb 26, 2024 21:39:59 GMT -5
Firestar, mostly because people still think that he died from a falling tree.
Also you'd think his death would be way more emotional but nooooo
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Post by Sundance on Feb 27, 2024 0:39:31 GMT -5
Firestar’s final fight scene and death should have been from his perspective.
Turtle Tail’s death is one that touched a nerve with me. She felt like another victim of the “she-cats are disposable so long as they further the development of our male leads” train that DOTC rode hard. I was really hoping her relationship with Gray Wing would be a slow burn romance that paralleled Firestar x Sandstorm. A sweet power couple, fitting for such a historic prequel arc. So for Turtle Tail to be coldly slain off screen, run over by a car while fleeing her abusive ex? Just awful, pointless trauma. She deserved so much better.
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Post by moongloweevee on Feb 27, 2024 3:05:06 GMT -5
Sandstorm. She deserved a way better death than the one she got.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Feb 27, 2024 9:34:37 GMT -5
I have to join the chorus of Bristlefrost. Her death was an absolute waste. Shadowsight was right there! Why couldn't he have been the one to take out Ashfur? While it certainly wasn't his fault, Shadowsight was the one who started it. If Ashfur couldn't contact him, TBC never would have happened. How poetic would it have been for him to be the one to take down Ashfur once and for all?
Picture it: Shadowsight locks eyes with Ashfur. He realizes that no one else is around. No one is there to save him. He spots the water and remembers Redwillow's death. It was now or never. He bunches his muscles and leaps. He lands square on Ashfur and the two fall into the water. Shadowsight fades into the black knowing that his terrible mistake was fixed at last.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Feb 27, 2024 12:35:15 GMT -5
I have to go with Firestar's death as well. Like, it had so much potential, with him having that final battle against his longtime nemesis Tigerstar and all that.
But it was just written in such a confusing manner that some people to this day still think he got killed by a tree even though that was just a vision Dovewing had of a tree being hit by lightning and catching fire in order to symbolize his fall or whatever.
My boy deserved a better written death scene for sure.
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Post by mintleaf2 on Feb 27, 2024 12:47:51 GMT -5
Spottedleaf’s second death had me so mad. I never shipped her with Firestar but even that they never got time to be like friends in Starclan together had me so mad. I thought it was so stupid at the time that you could die again in Starclan, I thought it was such an unnecessary mechanic.
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Feb 27, 2024 15:25:20 GMT -5
I have to join the chorus of Bristlefrost. Her death was an absolute waste. Shadowsight was right there! Why couldn't he have been the one to take out Ashfur? While it certainly wasn't his fault, Shadowsight was the one who started it. If Ashfur couldn't contact him, TBC never would have happened. How poetic would it have been for him to be the one to take down Ashfur once and for all? Picture it: Shadowsight locks eyes with Ashfur. He realizes that no one else is around. No one is there to save him. He spots the water and remembers Redwillow's death. It was now or never. He bunches his muscles and leaps. He lands square on Ashfur and the two fall into the water. Shadowsight fades into the black knowing that his terrible mistake was fixed at last. At this point, I don’t even know if there should have been a double death involved to kill ashfur. Shadowsight doing it would be miserable, bristlefrost kinda seemed out of nowhere and had no connection to Shadowsight, and Rootspring dying would also have been out of nowhere. It’s obvious this was only used for shock factor, and while it worked then, it doesn’t seem to work as well now.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 27, 2024 21:08:26 GMT -5
I'll have to step up and defend Bristlefrost's death. Her character is set-up from the very first book as someone who goes out and rescues someone she has no reason to care about in Rootspring; it's how they meet and a defining chapter in her development. She would save anyone and everyone if she could. This then continues into ALITM, with her risking her life to save the Dark Forest cats and standing up for them when Onestar acts dismissive towards them. There is no better way for her arc to culminate than to save someone yet again who anyone else wouldn't have saved, it simply is who she is. Her generosity and loyalty to others had been abused by Ashfur, but making the call that Shadowsight deserved to be saved even at a risk to her own life is exactly what she would do. If she had done it saving Rootspring, that's not as poignant to me. I think most people would risk their lives for someone they loved. Her arc wasn't about her grappling with love over Rootspring, there is nothing to prove for her character in doing that and it would be pretty expected. But to risk her happy life for someone like Shadowsight? That's a really moral dilemma and actually challenges her personality and generosity.
Shadowsight doing it would have been horrendous and a massive step backwards for his character. After what Ashfur did to him, Shadowsight takes on a distinctively self-destructive persona. He eats death berries and gambles with death, he wanted to go into the Dark Forest despite not being very helpful, and he wanted to die with Ashfur. Dying would have been exactly what his guilt and self destructive impulses were going for, and moreover it would have proved Ashfur right that he is only useful in suffering and pain. It would have been a tragic downfall and it's fine if someone wants that, but I think it's fine to see the abuse victim realize he has a life after his abuser.
But anyway, my defense of how Bristlefrost's death is actually one of the best deaths in the series aside, how about Spottedleaf's first death? It happens totally off-screen and we're expected to act like this barely developed character dying is some huge deal for Firepaw.
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Post by silverback on Feb 27, 2024 22:42:34 GMT -5
Any kit's death.
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Post by User33 on Feb 28, 2024 1:08:39 GMT -5
Genuine bruh moment from me
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Post by Sundance on Feb 28, 2024 13:45:01 GMT -5
Dandelionkit and Juniperkit. It's not that I think they shouldn't have died so much I think they shouldn't have existed to die.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Feb 28, 2024 15:47:05 GMT -5
Honorable shout-out to Rainwhisker getting killed by a falling branch between books. What a way to go.
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Post by lightfur on Feb 28, 2024 18:13:32 GMT -5
Whenever cats gets killed offscreen out of nowhere. Most of the time it's happened to young cats who barely got a chance to do much, (Molepaw, Rainwhisker, Icecloud, Toadstep, Hazeltail) and it's really sudden. An cat can be perfectly alive one book, and in the next one suddenly you're told "Remember this cat? Their dead now!" It just feels really cheap, even if they are background characters. I will always be salty about Icecloud, Hazeltail, and Toadstep's deaths in Brambestar's Storm. (Especially it was nice to have cats that weren't related to Frostfur or Firestar) Also special mention to Ambermoon for being killed by an owl of all things.
Also the elders who stayed behind during the journey to the lake. It's really sad and messed up how they stay behind to basically die, and that the other cats just... let them?
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Post by Nettle on Feb 29, 2024 0:01:37 GMT -5
Firestar’s final fight scene and death should have been from his perspective. Turtle Tail’s death is one that touched a nerve with me. She felt like another victim of the “ she-cats are disposable so long as they further the development of our male leads” train that DOTC rode hard. I was really hoping her relationship with Gray Wing would be a slow burn romance that paralleled Firestar x Sandstorm. A sweet power couple, fitting for such a historic prequel arc. So for Turtle Tail to be coldly slain off screen, run over by a car while fleeing her abusive ex? Just awful, pointless trauma. She deserved so much better. This is literally everything I was going to say. Such a cute couple just slain and for what? Turtle Tail could have at least had an eventful death during the One Eye battle! Just disgusting how she was just so easily killed, pushing forward that if it helps the storyline in the slightest it should happen. Much like Bright Stream's death, both of them dying so uneventfully and the stupidity of how it was written is just so awful. Turtle Tail deserved a happy life to grow old with Gray Wing and watch their kits become warriors. It just wasn't right.
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on Feb 29, 2024 6:49:07 GMT -5
Honorable shout-out to Rainwhisker getting killed by a falling branch between books. What a way to go. Hey, at least he didn’t get the standard killed by greencough. Although maybe that death would have been more appreciated by him…
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Feb 29, 2024 9:36:54 GMT -5
Honorable shout-out to Rainwhisker getting killed by a falling branch between books. What a way to go. Hey, at least he didn’t get the standard killed by greencough. Although maybe that death would have been more appreciated by him… Getting conked by a random falling tree limb is pretty comical.
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Post by Sphinxwhisker on Feb 29, 2024 14:46:18 GMT -5
I’d Say that Berrynose’ death was the most jarring personally. They took one of the most prominent background characters that has spanned across 5 arcs of the series. For him to just be very unnecessarily quick-scoped to the ground by Tawnypelt, whom didn’t seem even a little unsettled by what she did. Only real reaction we get is Bristlefrost initially being horrified. Than it’s basically brushed to the wayside(like many of the deaths in TBC). There’s no grieving or emotional heaviness to his death. It’s just quickly rushed over like the writers couldn’t wait to be rid of him. And for a character that well-known both by the readers and in-universe, to be erased without much thought felt pretty distasteful.
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Post by Viperstrike on Feb 29, 2024 20:23:54 GMT -5
I don’t think I’d say it’s the worst, but I’ve always hated how Willowpelt died saving Sootfur from a badger, only for him to get killed by a different one not long after.
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Post by -:*“*};windwisp;{*”*:- on Mar 2, 2024 19:02:35 GMT -5
Ok,so I haven't read the novel yet,but from all the art I have seen,I say that Ravenpaw's was the worst.I want to beat up who ever was given the task of writing Ravenpaw's fawell and thought"Let's kill this cat off with cancer." And then made Barley live alone.
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Post by lightfur on Mar 3, 2024 15:27:12 GMT -5
Galekit. Was giving Onestar a stillborn kit necessary? She only exists to be dead and barely even affects the plot at all, unlike Finchkit and Flickerkit. Whitetail briefly tells him that's she's being taken care of in Starclan (and in the same scene it's stated that Onestar isn't even thinking about her, but his ex-wife and son that he abandoned.), then when Firestar visits him and Whitetail he goes "I'm sorry your daughter died." and that's about it. I'm sure the real reason she exists is because the new team seems to be allergic to making single litters, and after Heathertail got made into Onestar's daughter, they threw in a dead kit there.
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Post by Slightdapple on Mar 3, 2024 15:35:38 GMT -5
Rosepetal’s. She had a lot of potential and then the Erin’s just… killed her off with only a single mention that she was dead. Then her death is just ignored and brushed off like nothing happened. Same with Berrynose.
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