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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Feb 22, 2024 17:51:52 GMT -5
I swear, it’s so weird how he went from being easily killed by a new warrior to the strongest cat ever who can essentially “one shot” people like stemleaf and dappletuft. I find it kinda funny how he just randomly went from peasant to god.
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Post by Sunleap on Feb 22, 2024 17:54:25 GMT -5
I swear, it’s so weird how he went from being easily killed by a new warrior to the strongest cat ever who can essentially “one shot” people like stemleaf and dappletuft. I find it kinda funny how he just randomly went from peasant to god. Well for one he was in Bramblestar's body. Bramblestar has killed cats like Hawkfrost who were considerably strong. Also the authors wanted the villain to have plot armor.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 22, 2024 17:57:40 GMT -5
I really don't see how it's random, honestly. He was a StarClan cat possessing an already strong leader's body, never mind that Stemleaf and Dappletuft were new warriors who had probably never even seen actual combat until they died. And as for Hollyleaf, the entire reason she managed to kill Ashfur in the first place was because she literally caught him by surprise.
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Post by Hollyfall on Feb 22, 2024 17:57:51 GMT -5
Ashfur was a normal, living cat when he died, and he was caught off-guard by Hollyleaf who more or less assassinated him. When an assassination attempt was made on his life, Ashfur was depressed and had little, if any, will to live, so he's got nothing to lose. Ashfur was also using Bramblestar's body, which is basically a tank, so it should be of little surprise how formidable an opponent he is. Tigerstar I, Hawkfrost, and Tigerstar II are all described with the same build and they're all pretty good fighters.
Unless you're talking about his powers, but I don't think those had any correlation with his actual physical prowess. StarClan cats are pretty powerful beings, we've just never seen someone use it for evil purposes until Ashfur.
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Post by flipwish on Feb 22, 2024 18:10:37 GMT -5
Ashfur was given the hidden ability Huge Power in generation 8. On top of that, they gave him swords dance where previously he had very few stat boosting moves. With these two things combined along with his excellent offensive typing and existing movepool, Ashfur immediately became a much bigger threat than before.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 22, 2024 18:33:02 GMT -5
Unless you're talking about his powers, but I don't think those had any correlation with his actual physical prowess. StarClan cats are pretty powerful beings, we've just never seen someone use it for evil purposes until Ashfur. Yes to everything you just said, but I especially want to add onto this part here because I genuinely still don't understand why some people still remain confused about why Ashfur is so powerful, even though him being a StarClan cat should be enough of an explanation. We've known possession to be a thing for years now thanks to Cinderpelt (shame the Erins never took the opportunity to expand on this, but I digress), but he doesn't really do anything else besides that; even him taking control of the other spirits is really just a more corrupted form of what he'd already been doing, and as for his influence on the Dark Forest... he's a StarClan cat frequenting in kitty cat hell, and a vengeful one at that. No doubt that's going to have massive consequences. Besides, StarClan can already influence the weather, why not an entire afterlife? After all, fallen angels were once still angels. And maybe it's because I re-watched Madoka recently, but now I'm just reminded of that one quote (the complexity that is this character aside): "I'm an existence called Evil now. And if evil is supposed to disrupt the divine and be a force of chaos, it's only natural for me to upset the laws of a god."
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Post by User33 on Feb 22, 2024 22:58:02 GMT -5
Just want to comment on how Dappletuft, Stemleaf, and Conefoot(?) died. I would assume Ashfur possessing Bramblestar's body could nullify pain temporarily and push the host body to the absolute MAX.(Take this with a grain of salt this is just a headcanon)
On another note imagine if Ashfur was possessing Firestar's body in its prime. Scary stuff.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 23, 2024 13:15:51 GMT -5
Ashfur was always strong though. He was strong enough to pin down Lionblaze, after all, even after Lionblaze had unlocked his powers and gone training with Tigerstar a lot. It's no surprise that if he's in a stronger body that combined with his old skills you'd get a potent mix. Plus, remember that Ashfur was doped up on poppy seeds; that means he would be feeling less pain, never mind the fact that as a possessing ghost he is able to distort and twist the body he's in more than normal.
And finally, I don't see how being killed by Hollyleaf is such a shame. Hollyleaf ambushed him by surprise while he had zero idea that she was there, it was a classic sucker punch situation. It's kind of like if I step up behind some big guy who would wreck me in a fair fight and just rabbit punch him and knock him out, all the while he had no idea I was even there or looking for a fight. It's not that the big guy was weak, it's that sucker punches are nasty, and one off-guard hit is sometimes all it takes for someone far inferior to win.
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