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Post by crowflightstar on Feb 13, 2024 16:22:34 GMT -5
Tell us about one cat that you love and why, then tell us about one cat you hate and why. I would prefer you don't pick cats who correspond. (Like Dovewing and Ivypool.)
I love Mothwing.I love how her design isn't controversial so I can always tell who she is, but simple enough that she can be interpreted differently, like a moth design on her tail.I love how she interacts with the other characters, being nice to them like a healer should but standing up for herself if they doubt her. I love how she doesn't believe in StarClan, because StarClan makes no sense and it's refreshing to see a clan cat who acknowledges that. I love how she cares what other cats think, as it makes her relateable. She's just such an awesome character.
I hate Clear Sky. He kills cats and orders them to be killed, he created borders, and the worst part is he's always painted as the misunderstood hero. He's not a hero, he's a villain who the cats and the authors accepted as a leader.
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Post by Slightdapple on Feb 13, 2024 16:36:30 GMT -5
I love Hollyleaf. She's an interesting character and with a rebatable story arc with her brothers having powers and her not. Her dedication to the warrior code, and then her breaking it when she killed Ashfur, and her mental spiral in Sunrise was so interesting to read about.
I hate Tigerheartstar. He's a hypocrite and always frustrating to read about. #Cloverstar2024
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Asexual
#A3E4D7
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🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄
rdj as doctor doom was not on my bingo card
Pronouns: She/her, they/them
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on Feb 13, 2024 16:48:41 GMT -5
I love Skystar. He can be a jerk sometimes but in my opinion, he is a well written character. His motives are not due to ambition but due to the trauma of him watching his friends starve, and losing his little sister. He wants a large territory as that means there are enough resources to support his group, which mostly consists of cats that wish to join.
After the First Battle, he is confronted with the fact that his methods of coping with his trauma and preventing suffering has only led to more of it. He became a self fulfilling prophecy, which is funny considering the lack of prophecies at that time. The latter half of the arc is about him reconciling with others, but mostly himself. Yet he still stumbles and tends to relapse to his old ways.
The whole point of Skystar is that he is not meant to be a hero, at least in his arc. He is an antihero, someone who is sometimes good, sometimes horrid. We don't have a ton of those in Warriors, and the fact that we got to study his motives and character is amazing. He is a villain who softly redeemed himself to be an antihero at best. It goes to show that not every bad person who goes through a redemption arc ends up perfect.
I hate Mapleshade. She has caused the most discourse in the fandom due to her unreliable narration. It IS her fault her kits drowned-- Mapleshade lets her kits cross the river despite their RiverClan father telling them not to, and when her son remembered that and protests. A two moon old kit has better survival instincts and more common sense than her.
Yes, it was unfair for her kits to be exiled for their heritage, but Mapleshade was 100% fair to exile. If she was upfront, yes, her kits could have been prejudice victims, but the Clan was even more upset at the fact that she lied and indirectly used the leader's dead son to cover up the fact that his killer was the father. That is messed up.
Mapleshade never said that Birchface was the father, but she implied it and manipulated her Clanmates to thinking he was. She never corrected Birchface's sister, or his father. When cats questioned the kits' heritage, Mapleshade shut them down. It is normal, at least in pre-TNP times, for queens to not disclose the father of their kits if they do not wish to, and accept a cat to act as a father figure, like Bluestar. Bluestar only let the Clan to believe that Thrushpelt was the father because Thrushpelt himself was so much of a father figure to the kits that they looked up to him as such. It is not normal for a queen to lie about the father, be it directly, or indirectly like Mapleshade, especially if it is a dead Clanmate.
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Ambersky
"You'll never make me ashamed or who I am or what I look like." -Crookedjaw to Rainflower
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Post by Ambersky on Feb 13, 2024 17:09:33 GMT -5
I love Crookedstar. His SE is easily my favorite book of the whole series, and I think his story was really compelling; being manipulated by an evil spirit from a young age, grappling with his physical disfigurement and the emotional abuse of his mother, and learning that his worth and value isn’t measured by his physical appearance. I also love and admire that he was resilient enough to not succumb to his loss and trauma.
I hate Leopardstar. Though she was written to be morally gray and complex, she was nothing but frustrating to read about, imo. Her allowing Stonefur, Mistyfoot, Featherpaw, and Stormpaw to be starved, tortured, and humiliated, ordering Stonefur to kill Featherpaw and Stormpaw, and then watching her own deputy be murdered was cowardly and vile. Even Onestar and Blackstar didn’t traumatize their own Clanmates in the way that she did. How anyone forgave her is beyond me.
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Post by کیوان on Feb 13, 2024 21:38:33 GMT -5
I'm going to spice things up and say that I like Darktail. It was really nice to see an antagonist capable of doing lasting damage after the disappointments that were Hawkfrost and Sol, and they missed the opportunity to double down on Clear Sky. Heck, we're STILL feeling him impact in ASC, and he only sticked around for a few books.
I never got the appeal with Tigerstar II. His arc with Dovewing was unsatisfying, a ton of stuff in SH was his fault, and now he's some infallible force in ASC because the Erin's made it so. The community needs to hold the guy accountable, but we all know that they waste their energy on the wrong things.
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Post by iceheart on Feb 14, 2024 14:15:25 GMT -5
Cinderpelt, I really appreciate how strong she was. Even though she wanted to be a warrior and it was taken away from her, she still followed her path even if it was one she didn't want. She had her own found family in Yellowfang and she never showed any jealousy that Brackenfur and Brightheart were able to have families and she wasn't. Her unrequited love for Firestar is something that really hits home for me, and how she didn't act on it; because if she never acted on it, that meant it never had to end.
Tigerheart is an awful hypocrite, and I don't understand people who pit Squirrelflight/Bramblestar against each other in SQH, because Tigerheart was literally the worst out of everyone in that book. Everything started because he can't take no for an answer and he refuses to wait; everything he wants has to happen right at that moment, and everyone is wrong but he is right. His selfishness and impulsiveness killed Leafpool, and nobody will ever comment on that. He gets a free pass on absolutely everything he's done - literally even after he forcibly took RiverClan over, Puddleshine still has the guts to say "he's a noble and brave leader," despite him constantly favoring his kin over his Clan, when various leaders in the past were forced to put their Clan above their kin because that's what being a leader means. He's the author's pet who can do no wrong and it's agonizing to read, because the favoritism is so blatant and everything turns into his favor (you're trying to tell me that Squirrelflight wouldn't accept Frostpaw as a refugee despite Frostpaw going through what her father went through, and yet noble, brave Tigerheart will, when he just took over her Clan? Seriously?) Every character is torn down to make Tigerheart look good and I'm so tired of it. I dread reading more books because I know the authors will just shove Tigerheart into the spotlight because they can't get enough of him.
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Aroace
#ffa100
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𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑
Villain Enjoyer
Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Feb 14, 2024 14:38:08 GMT -5
I love Tigerstar I. He was a good antagonistic deputy as Tigerclaw in ThunderClan, then a great villain leader in ShadowClan and finally an effetive force as a leading Dark Forest spirit, still on his quest for vengeance against his nemesis Firestar. He was perfectly fit to be the OG big bad of the series for four arcs and is the ultimate classic baddie. His rivalry with Firestar makes him iconic as well overall and so was his death at the claws of Scourge. It also never felt like he overstayed his welcome, at least not to me. Because while Tigerstar I was an overarching presence from TPB to OotS, he was never too much involved after his death but still there to scheme and cause trouble for the Clans.
I hate Tigerstar II. His budding relationship with Dovewing when she was still a young apprentice is what started my dislike of Tigerheart after the first OotS book. It just felt icky and was also manipulative on his part on several occasions. Then AVoS came along and not only renewed his love drama with Dovewing but also ruined his father's leadership in order to prop him up as the ultimate saviour of his Clan even though his mother Tawnypelt was literally right there and I will never stop being salty about that. He also got away with treating SkyClan like crap, gets a pass for how he treated the Sisters while his uncle is still put up as the ultimate bad guy in that situation both in universe and the fandom, was initially ready to let the other two TBC protags die after his PoV son was safe, and he ultimately seems to be also getting away with how he "helped" RiverClan just like he did with his previous bs for some reason. Some people in the fandom love to talk about Brambleclaw being favored by the authors, even though this dude is a much better example of it happening, in my opinion.
Both Tigerstars are hypocrites. But only one of them is an actually fun one to read about for me.
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