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Post by argyle lechuga on Jul 30, 2016 12:55:44 GMT -5
okay so like about the whole rules things. there are a lot of old forum rules that we are currently going against or seem less necessary (in my opinion of course. in the end it is tomorrow's job to decide what is necessary).
rn i would just like to talk about three things that seem kinda confusing. im assuming the "no sharing images u dont own" rule is now void bc the majority of ppl here have avatars they dont own. also, the rule about personal information. in the old forums, everyone is sharing personal info now. r we gonna continue that here (which would have less safety concerns since all ppl here r from wcf and guests can't view the forums) or reinstate the personal info rule (or at least parts of it, since age is considered personal info by the old mods)? and finally, selfie threads. most everyone loved them when they happened in the old forums, but it was totally against the rules. r we gonna keep that rule also?
since i don't want to make another topic, we might also want to consider moderating new members (like in the old forums, where a mod needed to approve membership) at least after the old forums close. if this forums does get kinda big, totally open membership could be an issue with trolls and stuff.
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Post by neb on Jul 30, 2016 12:58:28 GMT -5
I had some of these concerns aswell. After WCF closes it may become hectic over here.
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jul 30, 2016 13:08:16 GMT -5
ye moderated joining seems really necessary imo. like i could see some of the more negative/joke old forumers coming over and messing with the new one. but the other issue would be that no one would know they were a troll until they started posting so idk i guess.
it might also lead to security concerns do moderators have access to user's emails and passwords? i wouldnt want some like 15 year old i dont know having access to that
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Post by Brownie on Jul 30, 2016 13:13:10 GMT -5
I totally agree with that last paragraph: I was just going to write up something very similar to that. Proboards has the capacity to approve members, and I think that should be utilized after most the wcf'ers migrate over here (doing it before would just be too hectic). Maybe in a few weeks.
As for that first point. . . I would rather this echo the old forums in that regard. Maybe not as strict (such as age and other medias under aliases), but still semi-strict with the actual pictures and things. There still could be younger users that don't know to be careful of such things, and making a net rule to cover all this would make it a better and safer community. By this point, people wishing to have alternate forms of communication have it, and can do such things off the forums if they so wish.
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Post by shortstop on Jul 30, 2016 13:14:45 GMT -5
This is something that's been bothering me as well. Say what you will about the old forums, but it kept the community stable, so the rules there weren't a total failure.
As for the thing about images, I think images that we don't own are fine as long as they are stock. I've been a user of proboards in the past (usually roleplaying sites) and people would use pictures that they found off of google as references for characters, et cetera. And not just proboards, sites like Howrse or even ChickenSmoothie that are owned by companies allow for pictures off the web. The WCF was the only place I knew of that had really strict enforcement on art.
So I think it's okay as long as you don't claim it as your own.
This is my two cents, I'm not a mod or whatever so yeah
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Post by Brownie on Jul 30, 2016 13:15:42 GMT -5
ye moderated joining seems really necessary imo. like i could see some of the more negative/joke old forumers coming over and messing with the new one. but the other issue would be that no one would know they were a troll until they started posting so idk i guess. it might also lead to security concerns do moderators have access to user's emails and passwords? i wouldnt want some like 15 year old i dont know having access to that This point as well ^^ As of now, staff can see emails (I don't know about pass), and even using a forum-made email to register still makes me uncomfortable. That may be something to suggest later: make it so that only admins have access to that information. I, for one, would feel much better if that were the case. |
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jul 30, 2016 13:16:58 GMT -5
yeah that makes sense brownie. i had also forgotten that we had private messages here, if ppl really needed to share info they could just use that.
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jul 30, 2016 13:21:10 GMT -5
sand cat the Google thing seems to be what a lot of ppl r doing now, but im pretty sure the majority of images off Google are not stock. and for the password/email thing, personally i used a separate password for this site that i haven't used before but the majority of ppl who join probably wouldn't. if tomorrow can confirm what info the mods see that would be great, but idk if there is a way to limit what mods see on an account.
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Post by needleflight on Jul 30, 2016 13:22:45 GMT -5
I like that people have to be approved, this doesn't leave room for trolls, and if they do get through, they can be banned.
As for images, I like the freedom we have on here. The WCF was nearly too strict about images, especially the rule restricting pictures with humans in them. I use random photos for character inspiration all the time, and it'd get bothersome.
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Post by Auransky on Jul 30, 2016 13:25:19 GMT -5
I wanted to address this sooner, but I already made plans to take my Martial arts students on a summer trip, with all their parents so I had my hands tied yesterday at the beach.
As happy it makes me to see the community coming together in these dark times, this also draws concern. The concern being how the rules being altered/changed/enforced will drive forum users to freedom of content they can and cannot do.
While we can agree that the old forum system had rules that seemed a little farfetch, we can also agree that there a few rules that were set for a reason! This reason is to keep the entire community in general safe and secure content wise. I would mind for some rules to stay/be enforced because it gives the younger audience + general concerned audience that assurance of the forums continuing to provide a good place to converse while remaining safe.
I was scrolling through some threads already and there are some images I as a martial arts instructor/teacher would disagree about because of the wide range of ages on these forums would NOT be ideal for. I'm certain that parents will be scrolling through and surprisingly some of our friends that we LOVE to role-play with/converse with might be the minority who's parents may not allow them to continue here because of the few things out of line spotted out.
So for this I would support a sort of system of profile approval/rules enforcement.
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Wildlake on old wcf
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Post by Wild on Jul 30, 2016 13:25:32 GMT -5
Welcome friends Here are some rules to follow on here:
Basic Rules
1. Be courteous – Do not insult, attack or tease, even if it’s just meant as a joke. Comments come across differently written than they do face-to-face, so what is funny to one might sound insulting to another.
Works
2. No flaming, harassing, profanity, abusive language or abbreviations, personal attacks, racial, religious, ethnic, or other slurs. No discussions about religion, more adult topics or politics, not even in the Off Topic forum.
Politics I have always disagreed with being against rules. But if it turns into a flame war it gets bad, but lots of people can talk about it without fighting. I also think there should be a no lgbt disscussion/debate rule here.
3. Spam, bumps, chain letters, advertisements, rants, excessive punctuation, inconsistent capitalization and slangy terms which others might not understand are not allowed. Remember also to stay on topic and not hijack other users’ threads.
Can we just get ride of the last three parts of this rule. Like what Evan is extensive punctuation? Slangy terms wth. And no one uses inconsistent punctuation like why is that evan a rule
4. Do not report players for frivolous reasons.
5. Never, ever give out personal information about yourself while online! Personal info includes your full name, address (physical or email), phone number, instant messaging name, etc. Don't post links to any of your personal websites. By the same token, do not ask others for their personal information. Also, we recommend that you do not use your real (full) name. Be creative! Come up with a fun screen name for the site.
Okay so I agree with parts of this just doesn't work. I agree no physical adress but you can go on someone's profile and get there email. And also whats the big deal about sharing your Skype or Kik or whateva account. And also about full name is it first and last. Or just first.
6. Please no extreme cursing. This includes f-bombs, racial slurs, and anything to be considered objectively offensive.
Extreme is so hard to describe
Post Content Rules
1. Violence is only allowed if it's barely PG-13. Nothing too gory or gruesome please!
Works I guess.
2. Posting artwork is fine, but only if it is your own art, or public gifs, pictures, memes, or videos. None of these should be above a PG-13 rating, and there should not be gore or nudity in anything.
No nudity or extreme gore is fine. The rest of this is practically useless with our siggies and avies
3. Post in the correct forum. If you are not sure if your topic belongs in a specific forum, read the forum description posted in each area. If still unsure, you are welcome to ask in FAQs.
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4. We have included a note that spoilers may appear in each of the forums, but as a courtesy to others, please include the word "Spoilers" in the subject line of your post if you are going to discuss anything that could be considered a spoiler. That way, people who haven’t read all the books in a series can easily steer clear of any threads that might give away information they don’t want to know about just yet.
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5.We make every effort to keep an eye on the boards and remove questionable content. However, if you see comments that are not following our guidelines, please report the post to an administrator or moderator.
Good
6. We reserve the right to delete or move posts with no advance warning. Obviously, we will do so if the content isn’t appropriate based on the board guidelines, but we will also delete posts from time to time to save space.
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7. To be entirely clear, you can do anything you want w/ romance in any capacity as long as it doesn't involve explicitly sexual actions on public threads (i.e: sex, ****, foreplay, ect.) but if you really want to have stuff like that in your RP, what you can do is private message the person you're rping those sexual actions w/ on private message (IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT) and just post {RP temporarily moved to PM} while you're doing so.
But again. We're a cat forum w/ younger forumers, so do try to keep it age appropriate.
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***Note: IF ANYONE DOES THIS TO SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T GIVE THEM PERMISSION, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO REPORT.
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jul 30, 2016 13:29:59 GMT -5
sand cat the Google thing seems to be what a lot of ppl r doing now, but im pretty sure the majority of images off Google are not stock. and for the password/email thing, personally i used a separate password for this site that i haven't used before but the majority of ppl who join probably wouldn't. if tomorrow can confirm what info the mods see that would be great, but idk if there is a way to limit what mods see on an account. I can't see passwords email is visible to everyone, but you can change that setting on your profile thanks, this really helps with peace of mind |
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Post by Lostwhisker on Jul 30, 2016 13:35:25 GMT -5
What about certain RP topics that weren't allowed on the original? For example, any non-heterosexual relationships or the mention of actual disorders.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 13:40:04 GMT -5
What about certain RP topics that weren't allowed on the original? For example, any non-heterosexual relationships or the mention of actual disorders. There is no specific mentioning of that in the rules right now, but it's safe to say that will be allowed as long as the other roleplaying rules are followed (i.e. explicit scenes) |
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Post by Lostwhisker on Jul 30, 2016 13:42:00 GMT -5
Oh, of course ^^ and thank you for the help.
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Post by ~TopmødeFlyinglark~ on Jul 30, 2016 13:45:18 GMT -5
Welcome friends Here are some rules to follow on here:
Basic Rules
1. Be courteous – Do not insult, attack or tease, even if it’s just meant as a joke. Comments come across differently written than they do face-to-face, so what is funny to one might sound insulting to another.
Works I agree.
2. No flaming, harassing, profanity, abusive language or abbreviations, personal attacks, racial, religious, ethnic, or other slurs. No discussions about religion, more adult topics or politics, not even in the Off Topic forum.
Politics I have always disagreed with being against rules. But if it turns into a flame war it gets bad, but lots of people can talk about it without fighting. I also think there should be a no lgbt disscussion/debate rule here. I'm pro talking about politics as long as it doesn't turn into a flame war. I strongly, strongly oppose a ban on LGBT related topics.
3. Spam, bumps, chain letters, advertisements, rants, excessive punctuation, inconsistent capitalization and slangy terms which others might not understand are not allowed. Remember also to stay on topic and not hijack other users’ threads.
Can we just get ride of the last three parts of this rule. Like what Evan is extensive punctuation? Slangy terms wth. And no one uses inconsistent punctuation like why is that evan a rule We should even probably allow rants, IMO
4. Do not report players for frivolous reasons.
5. Never, ever give out personal information about yourself while online! Personal info includes your full name, address (physical or email), phone number, instant messaging name, etc. Don't post links to any of your personal websites. By the same token, do not ask others for their personal information. Also, we recommend that you do not use your real (full) name. Be creative! Come up with a fun screen name for the site.
Okay so I agree with parts of this just doesn't work. I agree no physical adress but you can go on someone's profile and get there email. And also whats the big deal about sharing your Skype or Kik or whateva account. And also about full name is it first and last. Or just first. I agree that this rule is unclear now, the moderators should work it out.
6. Please no extreme cursing. This includes f-bombs, racial slurs, and anything to be considered objectively offensive.
Extreme is so hard to describe What should be banned should be hard swearing (e.g. anything ruder than the word beginning with c meaning poop) and sexist/racist/classist/homophobic/anti-religion/anti-atheist/ableist slurs.
Post Content Rules
1. Violence is only allowed if it's barely PG-13. Nothing too gory or gruesome please!
Works I guess. I agree.
2. Posting artwork is fine, but only if it is your own art, or public gifs, pictures, memes, or videos. None of these should be above a PG-13 rating, and there should not be gore or nudity in anything.
No nudity or extreme gore is fine. The rest of this is practically useless with our siggies and avies I think we should cut the first part and keep the second part. I took some random rose pic from the Wikipedia.
3. Post in the correct forum. If you are not sure if your topic belongs in a specific forum, read the forum description posted in each area. If still unsure, you are welcome to ask in FAQs.
Good Works. Just don't put a severe penalty on this rule, as it would be hostile to people who have made genuine mistakes.
4. We have included a note that spoilers may appear in each of the forums, but as a courtesy to others, please include the word "Spoilers" in the subject line of your post if you are going to discuss anything that could be considered a spoiler. That way, people who haven’t read all the books in a series can easily steer clear of any threads that might give away information they don’t want to know about just yet.
Good Same as to number 3.
5.We make every effort to keep an eye on the boards and remove questionable content. However, if you see comments that are not following our guidelines, please report the post to an administrator or moderator.
Good It works.
6. We reserve the right to delete or move posts with no advance warning. Obviously, we will do so if the content isn’t appropriate based on the board guidelines, but we will also delete posts from time to time to save space.
Good It works.
7. To be entirely clear, you can do anything you want w/ romance in any capacity as long as it doesn't involve explicitly sexual actions on public threads (i.e: sex, ****, foreplay, ect.) but if you really want to have stuff like that in your RP, what you can do is private message the person you're rping those sexual actions w/ on private message (IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT) and just post {RP temporarily moved to PM} while you're doing so.
But again. We're a cat forum w/ younger forumers, so do try to keep it age appropriate.
Good We should keep this rule, and make it orientation neutral.
***Note: IF ANYONE DOES THIS TO SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T GIVE THEM PERMISSION, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO REPORT.
My thoughts on the rules and your proposed changes to the rules. |
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Post by needleflight on Jul 30, 2016 13:45:56 GMT -5
Oh, of course ^^ and thank you for the help. Adding on to what Batman just said, this is a snippet from the rules ;; " 7. To be entirely clear, you can do anything you want w/ romance in any capacity as long as it doesn't involve explicitly sexual actions on public threads (i.e: sex, ****, foreplay, ect.) but if you really want to have stuff like that in your RP, what you can do is private message the person you're rping those sexual actions w/ on private message (IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT) and just post {RP temporarily moved to PM} while you're doing so. But again. We're a cat forum w/ younger forumers, so do try to keep it age appropriate. ***Note: IF ANYONE DOES THIS TO SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T GIVE THEM PERMISSION, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO REPORT. " |
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Post by Finnian on Jul 30, 2016 14:02:34 GMT -5
People may not agree, but I for one, enjoy discussing politics with other people. I think it's an interesting way to get to know somebody :/ |
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Post by Auransky on Jul 30, 2016 14:14:50 GMT -5
People may not agree, but I for one, enjoy discussing politics with other people. I think it's an interesting way to get to know somebody :/ It is an interesting way to get to know someone. However, the rules are made to cater the "general" audience. There are portions of the rules that several people may agree/disagree about, but at the end of the day it is the general* population of users the rules are made for. Also- keep in mind that the user age range is a wide one, to the point that some people care/not care/ would rather not talk about it because that is not what these forums are "sorta" intended for. The general giff is, Erin Hunter related topics/lore. Then off topic get to know, and converse on the sidelines with people. |
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Post by ~TopmødeFlyinglark~ on Jul 30, 2016 14:34:46 GMT -5
Discussing politics helps people develop opinions and become more open-minded.
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Post by Lostwhisker on Jul 30, 2016 15:36:16 GMT -5
Maybe politics can be discussed in private messages or threads made for civilized debates.
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Post by ~TopmødeFlyinglark~ on Jul 30, 2016 15:37:07 GMT -5
Maybe politics can be discussed in private messages or threads made for civilized debates. I was thinking the same thing about a civilised debating thread. |
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Post by Lostwhisker on Jul 30, 2016 15:40:34 GMT -5
Great minds think alike 
At least that way people will know what they are going to see when they navigate to the thread. I just hope that if a page is made that it won't fizzle down to name calling over a disagreement xD
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Post by ~TopmødeFlyinglark~ on Jul 30, 2016 15:45:53 GMT -5
Great minds think alike
At least that way people will know what they are going to see when they navigate to the thread. I just hope that if a page is made that it won't fizzle down to name calling over a disagreement xD When I've seen debating on the old WCF it's been quite civil generally so the page would probably stay civil. |
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Post by Lostwhisker on Jul 30, 2016 15:54:25 GMT -5
Fingers crossed ^^ because I would probably join in on some of those debates or just watch. I find them interesting.
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Post by Auransky on Jul 30, 2016 16:00:42 GMT -5
Great minds think alike
At least that way people will know what they are going to see when they navigate to the thread. I just hope that if a page is made that it won't fizzle down to name calling over a disagreement xD When I've seen debating on the old WCF it's been quite civil generally so the page would probably stay civil. Just a quick note to the topic. - As long as it can remain civil, and manage to respect one another's opinions. I wouldn't see it as a hazard to discuss politics. ^ On the older format of the warriors site, politics was a very common topic. As long as it was civil/respectful. From time to time something would break out, but the majority of the group involved would manage to calm down that individual and return to a peaceful civic conversation. IT is also important to remind people, that this is just one thread of many threads on the same sub-forum. Should someone not wish to discuss the topic then they should be aware themselves to stay away from the topic in the first place. It's like the signs in a school setting. "Student room" "Staff room" Why would you walk into the staff room if you are a student? (The same thing applies here.  ) |
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Post by ~TopmødeFlyinglark~ on Jul 30, 2016 16:02:23 GMT -5
Fingers crossed ^^ because I would probably join in on some of those debates or just watch. I find them interesting. I'd probably get involved. |
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Post by ~TopmødeFlyinglark~ on Jul 30, 2016 16:03:16 GMT -5
When I've seen debating on the old WCF it's been quite civil generally so the page would probably stay civil. Just a quick note to the topic. - As long as it can remain civil, and manage to respect one another's opinions. I wouldn't see it as a hazard to discuss politics. ^ On the older format of the warriors site, politics was a very common topic. As long as it was civil/respectful. From time to time something would break out, but the majority of the group involved would manage to calm down that individual and return to a peaceful civic conversation. The 'Unpopular Opinions' threads often turned to politics yet remained civil on the old WCF. |
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Post by Auransky on Jul 30, 2016 16:08:21 GMT -5
Just a quick note to the topic. - As long as it can remain civil, and manage to respect one another's opinions. I wouldn't see it as a hazard to discuss politics. ^ On the older format of the warriors site, politics was a very common topic. As long as it was civil/respectful. From time to time something would break out, but the majority of the group involved would manage to calm down that individual and return to a peaceful civic conversation. The 'Unpopular Opinions' threads often turned to politics yet remained civil on the old WCF. Exactly! Which is something hardly expected out of a forum. WCF is known for having their civil, family, and cooperative side as a whole. For this reason we stick together when times are tough. Despite having different opinions, we all unite for common causes. |
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Post by Lostwhisker on Jul 30, 2016 16:17:38 GMT -5
Eloquently put, Shining ^^
I'm going to look for one every now and then but it might be a while before a thread like that is created.
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