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Post by silverstarpenguin on Jan 21, 2024 11:00:40 GMT -5
For all the good parental figures in Warriors (Gray Wing, Lilyheart, Daisy, Ferncloud), there are also some who not only didn't live up to the expectations, but also abused or manipulated their children for various reasons. Who is the worst?
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Post by silverstarpenguin on Jan 21, 2024 11:03:03 GMT -5
Sorry if there are too many to choose. I wanted to include every cat. If I missed someone, you can choose the "other" option. I think there will be a clear winner, but let's see if they can be beaten.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jan 21, 2024 12:22:36 GMT -5
Lizardstripe for me. She physically and mentally abused Brokenkit.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jan 21, 2024 13:13:26 GMT -5
Probably Rainflower. I don't need to go over that, we know what the Rainflower situation was.
I almost voted Curlfeather, but she at least seemed apologetic of her actions right as she died, and I personally view the visit that Frostpaw got from her as Curlfeather thinking it was the last time she'd speak to her daughter. Curlfeather loved Frostpaw, but was a bad person about it.
And I also thought about Lizardstripe, but at least Lizardstripe wasn't Brokenstar's mother, and just a foster parent. Rainflower gave BIRTH to Crookedstar. She did that to her baby boy, meanwhile Lizardstripe barely knew Brokenstar at all. Not saying that makes Lizardstripe's situation any better, just that Rainflower is a worse parent due to the actual pre-existing relationship she had with the victim.
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Post by Slightdapple on Jan 21, 2024 16:39:47 GMT -5
Rainflower.
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Post by Myrtleleaf on Jan 21, 2024 16:42:39 GMT -5
Rainflower and Crowfeather. They suck as parents
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Post by Nettle on Jan 22, 2024 16:13:58 GMT -5
You guys realize it's highly likely Crookedstar and Rainflower made up in StarClan. That's why my vote goes to Curlfeather, after all, she manipulated her kit, and only died to save her because in her mind she was realizing that dying evil would send her to the Dark forest.
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Post by Nettle on Jan 22, 2024 16:20:28 GMT -5
Also, pretty unpopular, but I do think Dustpelt and Ferncloud weren't great parents. They weren't awful, like the choices up there, but I just don't like them. They had so many litters, they basically ignored their first-borns. Then, he disapproved of Siderleg for falling in love with Daisy (which he didn't really, but died in love with her)
I'm not saying they're as bad as any cat up there, but I just didn't like how it all played out.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 22, 2024 16:22:30 GMT -5
Rainflower or Sandgorse for me.
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Post by Spinestar on Jan 22, 2024 16:22:55 GMT -5
You guys realize it's highly likely Crookedstar and Rainflower made up in StarClan. That's why my vote goes to Curlfeather, after all, she manipulated her kit, and only died to save her because in her mind she was realizing that dying evil would send her to the Dark forest. Actually, it’s not likely, as she refused to give him a life during his leader ceremony and after his death, his jaw is still deformed in StarClan so Rainflower won’t want to be near him.
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Post by Nettle on Jan 22, 2024 16:42:06 GMT -5
You guys realize it's highly likely Crookedstar and Rainflower made up in StarClan. That's why my vote goes to Curlfeather, after all, she manipulated her kit, and only died to save her because in her mind she was realizing that dying evil would send her to the Dark forest. Actually, it’s not likely, as she refused to give him a life during his leader ceremony and after his death, his jaw is still deformed in StarClan so Rainflower won’t want to be near him. Fair point. But there is a chance. I think...
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 22, 2024 16:58:58 GMT -5
You guys realize it's highly likely Crookedstar and Rainflower made up in StarClan. That's why my vote goes to Curlfeather, after all, she manipulated her kit, and only died to save her because in her mind she was realizing that dying evil would send her to the Dark forest. Curlfeather's motivation for saving Frostpaw has never actually been confirmed, though, and we'll probably never know unless a definitive statement is made or we get inside her head to this moment. For all we know, she could've done it because she actually cared for Frostpaw to an extent. It still doesn't make her a good parent, but my point is, someone can have incredibly screwed up morals and still have standards.
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Post by Nettle on Jan 22, 2024 17:07:56 GMT -5
You guys realize it's highly likely Crookedstar and Rainflower made up in StarClan. That's why my vote goes to Curlfeather, after all, she manipulated her kit, and only died to save her because in her mind she was realizing that dying evil would send her to the Dark forest. Curlfeather's motivation for saving Frostpaw has never actually been confirmed, though, and we'll probably never know unless a definitive statement is made or we get inside her head to this moment. For all we know, she could've done it because she actually cared for Frostpaw to an extent. It still doesn't make her a good parent, but my point is, someone can have incredibly screwed up morals and still have standards. One could say it's a personal belief, but I say that it's more revolving around facts considering she was so awful and power-hungry, and all of a sudden she just saves Frostpaw, sacrificing herself. Perhaps she did it out of some sort of realization that she cared for her daughter, but I think it's highly unlikely that by that point she just did out of the good of her heart after all the awful things she'd done. But then again, perhaps it was a mother's instinct.
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Post by Jaysnow on Jan 22, 2024 17:57:13 GMT -5
Rainflower takes the cake for me.
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Post by flipwish on Jan 22, 2024 18:17:02 GMT -5
Curlfeather's motivation for saving Frostpaw has never actually been confirmed, though, and we'll probably never know unless a definitive statement is made or we get inside her head to this moment. For all we know, she could've done it because she actually cared for Frostpaw to an extent. It still doesn't make her a good parent, but my point is, someone can have incredibly screwed up morals and still have standards. One could say it's a personal belief, but I say that it's more revolving around facts considering she was so awful and power-hungry, and all of a sudden she just saves Frostpaw, sacrificing herself. Perhaps she did it out of some sort of realization that she cared for her daughter, but I think it's highly unlikely that by that point she just did out of the good of her heart after all the awful things she'd done. But then again, perhaps it was a mother's instinct. Riverstar says Curlfeather had accepted the price of her actions in Thunder. Unless a future book changes that, as far as canon says there's no reason to assume her sacrifice was self-serving, especially given that she apparently knew she'd go to kitty hell afterwards
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Post by silverstarpenguin on Jan 23, 2024 9:00:38 GMT -5
Also, pretty unpopular, but I do think Dustpelt and Ferncloud weren't great parents. They weren't awful, like the choices up there, but I just don't like them. They had so many litters, they basically ignored their first-borns. Then, he disapproved of Siderleg for falling in love with Daisy (which he didn't really, but died in love with her) I'm not saying they're as bad as any cat up there, but I just didn't like how it all played out. Now that I've read your comment, I realise you are right. They're not genuinely bad parents, but not the best either. I was thinking of how they suffered when some of their kits died in TNP and how Ferncloud was depicted as a good mother in A Thief in ThunderClan. But it's true that they pretty much ignored their first litters in favor of the newer ones.
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Post by streamflower on Jan 23, 2024 12:08:06 GMT -5
Actually, it’s not likely, as she refused to give him a life during his leader ceremony and after his death, his jaw is still deformed in StarClan so Rainflower won’t want to be near him. Fair point. But there is a chance. I think... We have no confirmation they 'made-up.' Yes, she watched his ceremony but didn't give him any lives. Furthermore a parent being abusive for their kids entire childhood, and even into adulthood, and then eventually saying they're sorry doesn't make them a good parent. Being sorry doesn't absolve the damage that was done. Curlfeather though was also awful. Granted, I think it's different types of bad. Rainflower was abusive simply for the fact that her son was ugly; she didn't falsely love him and then talk poorly behind his back -- she made it clear how awful of a parent/cat she was, and not just to him but to everyone else in Riverclan. She was outwardly, outspokenly, and unapologetically abusive. Curlfeather on the other hand, while she did probably love Frostpaw to some extent, was very clearly manipulating her from the start. She had no issue trying to control Frostpaw in order to gain power for herself. She connived in the dark with other cats, and was, at that time, okay with her daughter being taken advantage of because she (Curlfeather) believed she was in the right with seeking leadership. However, she did sacrifice herself to save Frostpaw. If I'm going by a metric of 'which parent cares more' I'd have to go with Curlfeather; I highly doubt Rainflower would sacrifice herself to save Crookedstar if the opportunity presented itself.
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Post by {Azure} on Jan 23, 2024 13:07:11 GMT -5
the only mass murderer on the list who also attempted to kill his sweet cinnamon roll of a brother despite him sticking up for all his awful acts
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 23, 2024 16:55:38 GMT -5
do we really think cat hitler would have happened had his adoptive/foster mother actually loved him like a son
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Jan 25, 2024 7:15:09 GMT -5
At least with characters like pale bird, you can understand where she’s coming from. With clear Sky, at least he tried to make up with his son and it’s clear that they have somewhat of a small bond now. Sure, rainflower went to starclan and Berryheart clearly cares for sunbeam, but both are horrible mothers. Onestar was a terrible parent and it even resulted in the deaths of many and the near destruction of a clan. My vote is onestar, with rainflower at a close second.
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Jan 25, 2024 7:18:22 GMT -5
do we really think cat hitler would have happened had his adoptive/foster mother actually loved him like a son No, not really. He was born evil, (thanks a lot, Molepelt!) so no matter what, that’s the only outcome for him.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 25, 2024 10:23:02 GMT -5
do we really think cat hitler would have happened had his adoptive/foster mother actually loved him like a son No, not really. He was born evil, (thanks a lot, Molepelt!) so no matter what, that’s the only outcome for him. That is only one interpretation of the prophecy with Brokenstar. You can view it as he was literally born evil with no soul or whatever, or you can view it as him becoming evil was inevitable due the circumstances of his birth and the way he was raised. Not knowing who your mother is, being physically and mentally abused by your foster mother, ridiculed by clanmates since infancy, spoiled rotten by your authoritative and narcissistic father in whose eyes you could do no wrong… for a cat who might already be inclined to ambition by nature, those are ripe circumstances to rear them into an emotionally apathetic character who only values having power over others. To me, it’s the seeming inevitably of his childhood that is tragic. Had he had a patient, loving, gentle mother in his life, I doubt Brokenstar would have turned out so sociopathic. But it was always going to happen that way.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jan 26, 2024 0:54:55 GMT -5
You guys realize it's highly likely Crookedstar and Rainflower made up in StarClan. This honestly just seems like a headcanon because there's no evidence to suggest they even interacted in StarClan I don't think we should view Rainflower as a less bad parent because of the concept that she could've apologised when there's no evidence to back up that concept at all
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Post by Nettle on Jan 26, 2024 3:13:56 GMT -5
You guys realize it's highly likely Crookedstar and Rainflower made up in StarClan. This honestly just seems like a headcanon because there's no evidence to suggest they even interacted in StarClan I don't think we should view Rainflower as a less bad parent because of the concept that she could've apologised when there's no evidence to back up that concept at all I didn’t suggest that, because at the time I hadn’t realized I had been incorrect about it. Okay everyone, just move along from my post and stop talking to me about my mistake…
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 26, 2024 10:02:39 GMT -5
This honestly just seems like a headcanon because there's no evidence to suggest they even interacted in StarClan I don't think we should view Rainflower as a less bad parent because of the concept that she could've apologised when there's no evidence to back up that concept at all I didn’t suggest that, because at the time I hadn’t realized I had been incorrect about it. Okay everyone, just move along from my post and stop talking to me about my mistake… I’m pretty sure one of the Erins said it at some point as Word of God, so that’s probably what you are thinking of.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jan 27, 2024 0:26:52 GMT -5
No, not really. He was born evil, (thanks a lot, Molepelt!) so no matter what, that’s the only outcome for him. That is only one interpretation of the prophecy with Brokenstar. You can view it as he was literally born evil with no soul or whatever, or you can view it as him becoming evil was inevitable due the circumstances of his birth and the way he was raised. Not knowing who your mother is, being physically and mentally abused by your foster mother, ridiculed by clanmates since infancy, spoiled rotten by your authoritative and narcissistic father in whose eyes you could do no wrong… for a cat who might already be inclined to ambition by nature, those are ripe circumstances to rear them into an emotionally apathetic character who only values having power over others. To me, it’s the seeming inevitably of his childhood that is tragic. Had he had a patient, loving, gentle mother in his life, I doubt Brokenstar would have turned out so sociopathic. But it was always going to happen that way. I agree very much with this. On top of that, he seemed to be a sweet kit in YS. He didn't start becoming bad until he became an apprentice.
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