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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 16:42:53 GMT -5
He probably wants to live forever, so the possible chance of him dying in the future has set him off the deep end.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 17:55:46 GMT -5
Does anyone know when exactly it said WindClan were scared of him? Cause if it was after ShadowClan were taken over- maybe he just got scared that his clanmates would overthrow him too. That's been his fear since he first became leader- when Mudclaw almost overthrew him.
But if it was mentioned that before ShadowClan were taken over... then yeah, he's gone crazy on his own.
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Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 6, 2016 18:02:48 GMT -5
And people still think he's a better leader than Mudclaw? Or that he's a good leader in general? He's pretty bad especially considering he broke the newest code.
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Post by *Faith* on Sept 6, 2016 18:24:17 GMT -5
I know! I hate Onestar even more now and I am convinced he's on his last life. At least I hope he is. He is acting a lot like Bluestar did near the end of her life.
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Post by *Faith* on Sept 6, 2016 18:28:48 GMT -5
Does anyone know when exactly it said WindClan were scared of him? Cause if it was after ShadowClan were taken over- maybe he just got scared that his clanmates would overthrow him too. That's been his fear since he first became leader- when Mudclaw almost overthrew him. But if it was mentioned that before ShadowClan were taken over... then yeah, he's gone crazy on his own. Kestrelflight said that WindClan was scared of him at the Moonpool to the other medicine cats at one point. I think Violetpaw had gone back to ShC at this point. And Alderpaw notes that he's been acting strange since he lost his last life. |
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Post by mEmE on Sept 6, 2016 18:30:37 GMT -5
I REALLY want a Onestar super edition or a novella. It can probably show how Obestar started going insane out of fear and clouded perceptions of his duty.
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Post by Lightflame on Sept 6, 2016 19:17:05 GMT -5
And people still think he's a better leader than Mudclaw? Or that he's a good leader in general? He's pretty bad especially considering he broke the newest code. Why try to start the Mudclaw drama again? What do you gain from it? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 19:28:55 GMT -5
And people still think he's a better leader than Mudclaw? Or that he's a good leader in general? He's pretty bad especially considering he broke the newest code. Why try to start the Mudclaw drama again? What do you gain from it? ??? |
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Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 6, 2016 19:40:08 GMT -5
And people still think he's a better leader than Mudclaw? Or that he's a good leader in general? He's pretty bad especially considering he broke the newest code. Why try to start the Mudclaw drama again? What do you gain from it? I haven't tried to start any drama. I asked a simple question one that people can agree or disagree with. If anyone is trying to start drama it's you asking me why i'm trying to start drama when I'm not. I like Mudclaw I think he would have been better than Onestar as leader. I can say I like Mudclaw better if I want. If people disagree oh well that's their opinion I don't agree with it. I'm not goingt to put down someones opinion, but I'm not going to bite my cyberspace tongue either. I didn't call anyone stupid or say they make poor decisions if they like Onestar more. I asked a simple question. |
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Post by Amber on Sept 6, 2016 19:54:27 GMT -5
And people still think he's a better leader than Mudclaw? Or that he's a good leader in general? He's pretty bad especially considering he broke the newest code. I would normally disagree, but after reading about Onestar in AVoS and his character in general from NP onwards, I agree. Mudclaw, in a lot of ways for me at least, seemed like Thistleclaw. They're both overly ambitious and seem like toms who fight first and ask questions later. That is not a very good quality in a leader. However, when you compare him to Onestar who's made his Clan afraid of him, has attacked ThunderClan for no reason at all and has been all around rude, he most likely would've been the better leader. Sure, maybe he would've lead his Clan down a path of useless battles and almost never talked things out, or perhaps he could've become more peaceful as leader. Knowing or realizing he had the lives of many cats under him, he could've changed for the better and become a great WindClan leader. Instead, we got stuck with Onestar who was awesome in the beginning, but when he became leader., he changed for the worse. |
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Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 6, 2016 20:01:14 GMT -5
And people still think he's a better leader than Mudclaw? Or that he's a good leader in general? He's pretty bad especially considering he broke the newest code. I would normally disagree, but after reading about Onestar in AVoS and his character in general from NP onwards, I agree. Mudclaw, in a lot of ways for me at least, seemed like Thistleclaw. They're both overly ambitious and seem like toms who fight first and ask questions later. That is not a very good quality in a leader. However, when you compare him to Onestar who's made his Clan afraid of him, has attacked ThunderClan for no reason at all and has been all around rude, he most likely would've been the better leader. Sure, maybe he would've lead his Clan down a path of useless battles and almost never talked things out, or perhaps he could've become more peaceful as leader. Knowing or realizing he had the lives of many cats under him, he could've changed for the better and become a great WindClan leader. Instead, we got stuck with Onestar who was awesome in the beginning, but when he became leader., he changed for the worse. It's true that Mudclaw was ambitious,but I believe more of what the guides said about Mudclaw. How his ambition was to be leader but that he wanted to be a leader who wasn't like Brokenstar or Tigerstar. He wanted to make WindClan independent. Onestar has gone mad with power. |
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Post by Amber on Sept 6, 2016 20:05:50 GMT -5
I would normally disagree, but after reading about Onestar in AVoS and his character in general from NP onwards, I agree. Mudclaw, in a lot of ways for me at least, seemed like Thistleclaw. They're both overly ambitious and seem like toms who fight first and ask questions later. That is not a very good quality in a leader. However, when you compare him to Onestar who's made his Clan afraid of him, has attacked ThunderClan for no reason at all and has been all around rude, he most likely would've been the better leader. Sure, maybe he would've lead his Clan down a path of useless battles and almost never talked things out, or perhaps he could've become more peaceful as leader. Knowing or realizing he had the lives of many cats under him, he could've changed for the better and become a great WindClan leader. Instead, we got stuck with Onestar who was awesome in the beginning, but when he became leader., he changed for the worse. It's true that Mudclaw was ambitious,but I believe more of what the guides said about Mudclaw. How his ambition was to be leader but that he wanted to be a leader who wasn't like Brokenstar or Tigerstar. He wanted to make WindClan independent. Onestar has gone mad with power. That's true. In the end, he would've been better. Or he would've become like current Onestar for the sake of the plot, we never know  And yeah, Onestar is crazy. |
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Post by Pandean on Sept 6, 2016 20:07:11 GMT -5
I would normally disagree, but after reading about Onestar in AVoS and his character in general from NP onwards, I agree. Mudclaw, in a lot of ways for me at least, seemed like Thistleclaw. They're both overly ambitious and seem like toms who fight first and ask questions later. That is not a very good quality in a leader. However, when you compare him to Onestar who's made his Clan afraid of him, has attacked ThunderClan for no reason at all and has been all around rude, he most likely would've been the better leader. Sure, maybe he would've lead his Clan down a path of useless battles and almost never talked things out, or perhaps he could've become more peaceful as leader. Knowing or realizing he had the lives of many cats under him, he could've changed for the better and become a great WindClan leader. Instead, we got stuck with Onestar who was awesome in the beginning, but when he became leader., he changed for the worse. It's true that Mudclaw was ambitious,but I believe more of what the guides said about Mudclaw. How his ambition was to be leader but that he wanted to be a leader who wasn't like Brokenstar or Tigerstar. He wanted to make WindClan independent. Onestar has gone mad with power. it's ironic considering tallstar thought the opposite woul be true be he's regretting his choice now |
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Post by mEmE on Sept 6, 2016 20:33:05 GMT -5
it's ironic considering tallstar thought the opposite woul be true be he's regretting his choice now Honestly, it was very understandable. There was already a good chunk of WindClan that preferred Mudclaw as leader. Onestar knew the main reason the clan disapproves of him, is that he is kind of overfriendly with Firestar, more than leaders should. So Onestar was desperately trying to cut ties with Thunderclan and was put under extreme stress and did go insane. His attacks were of a way of proving to his clan that his friendship with Firestar will not interfere with his leadership duties, which unfortunately Onestar never had proper training or experience with leadership and thus made poor choices. My belief is that if Onewhisker was legitimately deputy and Tallstar guided him into leadership, Onestar would have been a much better leader than he is now. Sad that he lacks a lot in experience, and made poor choices |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 6, 2016 21:34:13 GMT -5
it's ironic considering tallstar thought the opposite woul be true be he's regretting his choice now Honestly, it was very understandable. There was already a good chunk of WindClan that preferred Mudclaw as leader. Onestar knew the main reason the clan disapproves of him, is that he is kind of overfriendly with Firestar, more than leaders should. So Onestar was desperately trying to cut ties with Thunderclan and was put under extreme stress and did go insane. His attacks were of a way of proving to his clan that his friendship with Firestar will not interfere with his leadership duties, which unfortunately Onestar never had proper training or experience with leadership and thus made poor choices. My belief is that if Onewhisker was legitimately deputy and Tallstar guided him into leadership, Onestar would have been a much better leader than he is now. Sad that he lacks a lot in experience, and made poor choices |
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Post by mEmE on Sept 6, 2016 22:39:49 GMT -5
Honestly, it was very understandable. There was already a good chunk of WindClan that preferred Mudclaw as leader. Onestar knew the main reason the clan disapproves of him, is that he is kind of overfriendly with Firestar, more than leaders should. So Onestar was desperately trying to cut ties with Thunderclan and was put under extreme stress and did go insane. His attacks were of a way of proving to his clan that his friendship with Firestar will not interfere with his leadership duties, which unfortunately Onestar never had proper training or experience with leadership and thus made poor choices. My belief is that if Onewhisker was legitimately deputy and Tallstar guided him into leadership, Onestar would have been a much better leader than he is now. Sad that he lacks a lot in experience, and made poor choices That is true, and that is why I feel really bad for him, for someone who should be a leader, he still has his head in in his ass. I don't think Tallstar was thinking when he appointed him as deputy. Onewhisker never had any legitimate training nor had anyone to guide him. He is exactly in the condition of Clear Sky or Brokenstar, they were all put under extreme stress, and thus making poor decisions which they think were correct. Not to make excuses for any of them, they were all actin pretty ******ed, but I do feel like Onestar could've been better but was never able to. |
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Sept 7, 2016 5:36:10 GMT -5
I once read a theory that the whole nine lives gig has a downside; once a leader is on their final life, they start to become much more reckless, and in rare cases, insane. This could apply to Bluestar, Leopardstar, Onestar (if he's on his last), and perhaps even Tallstar, to a lesser extent. However, the theory doesn't explain why not all of the leaders go through this, such as Firestar. I think it's just due to unhealthy paranoia and other circumstantial factors.
Onestar better die soon.
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Post by lollycat on Sept 7, 2016 7:52:29 GMT -5
I think that Onestar saw something when he died that frighten him so much he went some what crazy. I seeing Sol and how he tried to destroy the clans.
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Post by sonnensturm1 on Sept 7, 2016 9:59:47 GMT -5
I once read a theory that the whole nine lives gig has a downside; once a leader is on their final life, they start to become much more reckless, and in rare cases, insane. This could apply to Bluestar, Leopardstar, Onestar (if he's on his last), and perhaps even Tallstar, to a lesser extent. However, the theory doesn't explain why not all of the leaders go through this, such as Firestar. I think it's just due to unhealthy paranoia and other circumstantial factors. Onestar better die soon. I think they realize that they have just one life (left) like every other cat and have to leave their Clan if they die. And if the Clan is not prepared in their eyes, they do crazy things. Or they become more egoists because they want to live the last for themselves (and family) or saw too much oe are just old. |
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Sept 7, 2016 11:22:41 GMT -5
I think that Onestar saw something when he died that frighten him so much he went some what crazy. I seeing Sol and how he tried to destroy the clans. I think so too. |
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