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Post by finland on Oct 31, 2023 8:37:54 GMT -5
He was the cause of Darktail's rampage which nearly destroyed ShadowClan
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 31, 2023 8:59:24 GMT -5
As much as we can all agree that Onestar made cowardly decisions, I don’t think he really would deserve the Dark Forest. The only instance where that could be considered is him denying Shadowclan herbs, but if that was all it took to be sent to the Dark Forest, then current day Riverclan would all be going the the Dark Forest as well.
If Onestar got sent to the Dark Forest, ya’ll better send Blackstar and Leopardstar and Tigerheart and Bluestar too.
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 31, 2023 11:14:24 GMT -5
Onestar sucks but Darktail isn't entirely on him since Smoke was the one who filled his head with ideas of social darwinism and hatred for Onestar, and Darktail is responsible for his own actions. He's undeniably a jerk but I don't think that's really Dark Forest worthy.
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Post by moongloweevee on Oct 31, 2023 11:24:09 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings on Onestar. I loved him better as Onewhisker. I get that, as a leader, he did what he ended up doing because he needed to lead his clan. He's kind of a wishy-washy character that I don't care where he ended up. He felt kind of cowardly in his super edition and basically asked himself at the end that if Darktail was going to be that evil from the start. He said yes without, ya know, thinking that he could have been a really great warrior. Smoke wanted him to be a warrior too but instead poisoned a young cat's mind against the clans. Not really a great moral since Darktail wasn't born evil.
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Post by Ambersky on Oct 31, 2023 11:56:40 GMT -5
Well, I guess it depends on the balance of his good acts and bad acts. Good things he did
- Helped Fireheart out as a warrior
- Forgave the Dark Forest trainees after the Great Battle and even made Harespring deputy to encourage his Clanmates to trust him again
- Though he was nasty to the other Clans, he was never tyrannical and malicious with his own warriors. And as WindClan’s leader, his primary responsibility was his own Clan, not the other Clans.
- Admitted Darktail was his son to the other Clans
- Killed Darktail so that the Clans could finally be free from him, sacrificing his life in the process
Bad things he did
- Allied with RiverClan to unjustly attack ThunderClan and raid their camp in POT
- Knew ShadowClan was going through a terrible disease, but kept the herbs from them, which caused the deaths of Crowfrost and Kinkfur
- Abandoned his son when he was a little kit
- Knew it was his own son that was threatening the Clans and didn’t decide to do anything about it until ShadowClan and RiverClan were completely devastated and had to shelter in ThunderClan.
Onestar has a lot of blood on his paws and he was indirectly responsible for the deaths of multiple innocent warriors. His ‘mistake’ dismantled two Clans, brought forth massive bloodshed and brutality, and nearly destroyed the stability of the Clans. Instead of dealing with Darktail right away, he waited at the last second where so many cats had already been killed. So much devastation could have been avoided if he’d had the courage and sensibility to act sooner. Instead, he closed his borders and let the other Clans deal with the mess he brought to this world. Does he deserve the Dark Forest? Probably. But I suppose how good he was to WindClan, the remorse he felt at the mess he created, and killing his own son earned his place in StarClan. Onestar could have chosen to not kill Darktail and let the other Clans handle his mess for him. He could’ve chosen to keep his borders closed. But eventually (even if it took an unreasonably long time), he sacrificed his ninth life to kill his own son and save the Clans. In the end, he did have some goodness left in him.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Oct 31, 2023 12:26:40 GMT -5
At first misread this as Oakstar and was about to go on a rant (because if his daughter Frecklewish is in the DF for endangering the MapleApple kits, he should be there too for exiling them in a storm and thus endangering them even before the river claimed them).
Onestar is currently still my least favorite character and while I personally would've loved it if he'd ended up in the Dark Forest for how he abandoned Smoke and Darktail, withheld valuable herbs from ShadowClan despite knowing they were sick thus causing the deaths of Crowfrost and Kinkfur until his own deputy Harespring stepped in and rightfully went against his orders, and cowardly closed his borders instead of dealing with the mess his son had created for the Clans due to a mix of being abandoned by his father and conditioned into it by his mother (and also because of the born evil bs but who cares), if Skystar can somehow be in StarClan despite being responsible for the deaths of even more innocent cats because he got a "redemption" than sadly, so can Onestar since he did feel bad about his behaviour/saw the error of his ways and all that before he died (similar to Mudclaw who also got off pretty easy in the end for all the shit he pulled).
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Post by 🐦silvermoon2🐦 on Oct 31, 2023 13:08:09 GMT -5
No, he made cowardly decisions, but did nothing bad enough to go to the Dark Forest for.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 31, 2023 13:19:27 GMT -5
I think this fandom is a little too happy to condemn morally imperfect characters to kitty hell.
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Oct 31, 2023 15:20:47 GMT -5
I think it's dumb to judge him based on Darktail's actions. Yeah, he's a coward and abandoned his son, but Smoke was the one that vowed to teach Darktail to hate the clans. Even then, Darktail could have left the clans alone. Darktail's actions are his own.
And if we were going by that logic, then Pinestar should be the DF as well for how Tigerstar turned out as a direct result of Pinestar's abandonment.
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Oct 31, 2023 15:51:03 GMT -5
He was a shithead and cats that weren't as bad as him went to the Dark Forest. That said, no, he shouldn't have gone there. He was a coward, a little bitch, and unsuited for the position of leader, but he wasn't THAT bad.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Nov 1, 2023 6:15:12 GMT -5
As much as we can all agree that Onestar made cowardly decisions, I don’t think he really would deserve the Dark Forest. The only instance where that could be considered is him denying Shadowclan herbs, but if that was all it took to be sent to the Dark Forest, then current day Riverclan would all be going the the Dark Forest as well. If Onestar got sent to the Dark Forest, ya’ll better send Blackstar and Leopardstar and Tigerheart and Bluestar too. I agree with all of this except Bluestar. Since she actually had mental issues at the end of her life, where the others were horrible from the get go
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Post by Lunar-Fox on Nov 1, 2023 7:25:32 GMT -5
While I dislike him he def doesn't deserve the Dark Forest.
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on Nov 1, 2023 8:03:10 GMT -5
No. Yes he did a lot of horrid things and defo outstayed his welcome, he does not deserve this. Here are some comparable cats who went to StarClan: - Mudclaw went to StarClan despite being the root of a coup and civil war which cats from all Clans participated in. Although he was puppetted by Hawkfrost, and believed he was trying to help his Clan.
- Blackstar did war crimes and took part in genocide, but StarClan accepted him because he redeemed his and ShadowClan's reputation.
- Bluestar, even in her perfect health, enabled Tigerclaw to become deputy, and ignored warning signs from Fireheart about him being sus.
- Oakstar went to StarClan even though he broke the code for letting three kits die due to his DIRECT ACTIONS.
- Rainflower went to StarClan despite being a narcissist and disowning her son, leading him to be groomed by Mapleshade's spirit.
- Leopardstar committed war crimes and disturbed StarClan's will of the island being neutral, but made it to StarClan since she redeemed herself as a good leader.
- All of the leaders that drove out SkyClan are in StarClan.
Onestar caused a four-clan battle, was dumb to not take responsibility for his son, denied herbs, and refused to put effort into helping his Clan when stoats came. But he also learned to work together with Fireheart to help WindClan return. He led his Clan as they adjusted to a new home. And he did the right thing in the end, killing Darktail and himself. Yes he is a deadbeat mouse-heart (using this since he's a coward) both to his friends and child, but so many cats are too. He's fine in StarClan.
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Post by oatwhisker on Nov 1, 2023 8:18:57 GMT -5
my stance on this is the same as my stance on hollyleaf. yes, he should've. he didn't just directly murder a cat, he caused the deaths of many others (including smoke, you could argue). even though he did many good things, again, that doesnt erase his bad. maybe he could be a ghost or something less extreme than the dark forest but still.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 0:57:44 GMT -5
while i do think onestar is an atrocious cat- his actions in crowfeather’s se and AVoS proving that- i am of the stance that he doesn’t deserve the dark forest for it. he definitely deserves something, but not the dark forest. maybe like a limbo style?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 0:58:23 GMT -5
my stance on this is the same as my stance on hollyleaf. yes, he should've. he didn't just directly murder a cat, he caused the deaths of many others (including smoke, you could argue). even though he did many good things, again, that doesnt erase his bad. maybe he could be a ghost or something less extreme than the dark forest but still. agreed! something like in the middle between starclan and the dark forest, where he can atone basically
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 2, 2023 10:55:30 GMT -5
every now and then the warriors fandom rediscovers the concept of Purgatory
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Post by Hollyfall on Nov 2, 2023 13:31:11 GMT -5
every now and then the warriors fandom rediscovers the concept of Purgatory purrgatory
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on Nov 2, 2023 15:26:54 GMT -5
I think this fandom is a little too happy to condemn morally imperfect characters to kitty hell. That’s what I was thinking. I hate Onestar, but isn’t sending him to the dark Forest a little far? I mean, technically he broke the code, but so did seven hundred other cats that got sent to StarClan. Mudclaw, Blackstar, and Leopardstar are running up there scot free, why can’t he?
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 2, 2023 17:56:02 GMT -5
I think this fandom is a little too happy to condemn morally imperfect characters to kitty hell. That’s what I was thinking. I hate Onestar, but isn’t sending him to the dark Forest a little far? I mean, technically he broke the code, but so did seven hundred other cats that got sent to StarClan. Mudclaw, Blackstar, and Leopardstar are running up there scot free, why can’t he? i also think its quite unfair for people to blame him for darktail being darktail. one bad choice made when you were 17 having an unforeseen domino effect out of your sight for a few decades and then coming back around 20x worse than before seems like a really weird thing to decide is unforigvable.
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on Nov 2, 2023 18:36:02 GMT -5
That’s what I was thinking. I hate Onestar, but isn’t sending him to the dark Forest a little far? I mean, technically he broke the code, but so did seven hundred other cats that got sent to StarClan. Mudclaw, Blackstar, and Leopardstar are running up there scot free, why can’t he? i also think its quite unfair for people to blame him for darktail being darktail. one bad choice made when you were 17 having an unforeseen domino effect out of your sight for a few decades and then coming back around 20x worse than before seems like a really weird thing to decide is unforigvable. Also if anything Smoke should be blamed, she’s the one who encouraged Darktail to get revenge.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Nov 2, 2023 19:13:50 GMT -5
Plenty of cats did worse things than Onestar and went to StarClan. I don't see a reason why he should be in the Dark Forest if they aren't.
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Post by Sweetsun on Feb 8, 2024 15:39:11 GMT -5
I say no because he save the clans by killing Dark tail (his own son which must have been hard)
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Feb 8, 2024 17:46:18 GMT -5
Sand Please lock this thread.
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