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Post by Nettle on Sept 29, 2023 23:52:30 GMT -5
Okay, so, imagine Bramblestar is dead. Yes dead, and Squirrelflight is now the new leader! You read about her for a while, and then you begin a debate on who mad ethe better leader? Squirrelstar or Bramblestar? What's your opinion and why?
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Post by Hollyfall on Sept 30, 2023 1:08:41 GMT -5
...asking us to debate on a leadership that hasn't happened yet, if at all?
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Sept 30, 2023 4:01:42 GMT -5
...asking us to debate on a leadership that hasn't happened yet, if at all? They're asking if Squirrelflight would be the better leader out of her and Bramblestar.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 30, 2023 4:59:42 GMT -5
...asking us to debate on a leadership that hasn't happened yet, if at all? They're asking if Squirrelflight would be the better leader out of her and Bramblestar. But OP is indeed also asking the hypothetical question of and since Squirrelflight has not been leader of ThunderClan (except temporarily in TBC during a time of personal crisis for her), it's difficult to determine wether or not she would be a better leader now. Sure, one could assume she would be but we haven't actually seen that yet.
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Post by brightheartt on Sept 30, 2023 5:01:50 GMT -5
Well you can’t really say without seeing Squirrelflight’s leadership. Bramblestar hasn’t done that much as leader in the grand scheme of things, the only life he’s lost (to our knowledge unless Ashfur messed things up) is the one that Ashfur caused him to lose to hop into his body. He introduced something to the warrior code but that in itself isn’t inherently too special and was honestly kind of an inevitability given the general direction the clans were seeing each other politically in the wake of the great battle. He just seems to like to play it safe, I think he doesn’t want to risk upsetting his clanmates and so plays it safe, often ending up with solutions that don’t really please anyone (eg the Sunrise situation in SqH). So against that it could go either way. Squirrelflight I imagine would definitely be more proactive and decisive, whether that’s a bad or good thing compared to Bramblestar depends entirely on what she chooses to do, but she does always try to do what she believes is the best thing for everyone, but is more ready to possibly ruffle some feathers than Bramblestar, especially in regards to controversial decisions. I think she would probably be a stronger leader for the clan overall given these factors, but again it’s something that can’t be truly commented upon unless you see her being clan leader in action (and I don’t want to count the stuff in TBC because half the clan were just constantly fighting her over taking charge).
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Post by کیوان on Sept 30, 2023 8:49:46 GMT -5
You saw how quickly Onestar burned every bridge in sight due to peer pressure upon becoming leader. If all we have is Squirrelflight’s deputyship and temporary leadership in TBC to go on, there’s still no guaranteed way to answer this question as the historical context surrounding these leadership positions are still very different. And who’s to say that anyone’s dying? I, for one, would prefer it if they both retired and let the younger generation have a go at leadership and put Tigerstar II to shame.
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Post by maqle on Sept 30, 2023 12:24:11 GMT -5
Honestly, there's no real way to actually compare their leadership, seeing as the only times we've seen Squilf in that position was in TBC. My personal opinion is that someone new should be a leader, choose a younger new generation cat who will have new opinions on the current situations and politics going on in the clans.
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Post by droppaw 🍂 on Sept 30, 2023 15:51:29 GMT -5
idk They both Seem like generically good Leaders, brambles a bit more xenophobic than Squilf and Squilf would probably squabble more frequently at gatherings But I don't think either of Them are unfit. Just. Fine
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Post by kitters on Sept 30, 2023 18:11:17 GMT -5
Squirrelflight would be more fair. I think if she was leader in sqh she would have been better. Idk much about the current conflicts in the books but I think she would be fair and smart.
Also why are ppl being rude to op over a simple hypothetical. It's easy to imagine squirrel as leader. She would basically do everything she does now just without her husband constantly fighting her.
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Post by 🩶Silverspark🩶 on Sept 30, 2023 18:55:38 GMT -5
Bramblestar Squilfy’s too hotheaded
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Sept 30, 2023 19:31:01 GMT -5
I'd still think Bramblestar was the better leader.
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Post by cable on Sept 30, 2023 20:32:32 GMT -5
thankfully my psychic visions of the future have already revealed to me the outcome of both this situation and this thread
fr tho i prefer squirrel. bramble hasnt impressed me at all. at least squirrel would be more interesting imo
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Post by Nettle on Oct 1, 2023 2:56:17 GMT -5
I meant as though after reading of squirrelflights actions, commands and temporary leaderships, has she been a netter leader than bramblestar? And do you think she would make a good leader?
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Post by ! (Ġray) ! on Oct 1, 2023 3:10:52 GMT -5
She would definitely not be a good leader based off her actions in SqH, because she literally went off on her own because she decided she was right, got kidnapped, got mad at Leafstar for trying to escape, and defended her kidnappers because apparently they were right to attack Leafstar for trying to escape after they kidnapped her
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Post by Katanaheart on Oct 1, 2023 3:14:27 GMT -5
Certainly not. She’s more likely to lead ThunderClan to needless conflict and destruction. Bramblestar would likely have been a more effective d leader without her whiny tail going needlessly above and beyond what the deputy role requires of her. Various events in SQH and ASC spring to mind. (Nightheart’s conflict about being an apprentice longer would have been nipped in the Bud if Squirrelflight had never went with Lilyheart and steamrolled her way over Lilyheart’s decision on Nightheart’s assessment. (Talk about not trusting your own warriors to think and make decisions for themselves in regards to their own apprentices.)
The whole conflict with the Sisters also never would have occurred if Squirrelflight hadn’t spoken out of turn and made a mockery of ThunderClan’s high ranks in front of four other Clans. Not to mention swinging around punishments and denying missions like she’s leader already in TBC.
Bramblestar has not been the greatest leader in certain political decisions, especially not helped in the current age as the Dark Forest did not help him mentally. but his Psuedo-leader-deputy has been trash at her job since she had her biological kits. (Bramblestar’s Storm and maybe some parts of AVOS is the only time where Squirrelflight has been a competent deputy and does her job like she is supposed to. Windstar and Gorsestar, these two are not.)
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Oct 1, 2023 9:41:47 GMT -5
You read about her for a while, and then you begin a debate on who mad ethe better leader? Squirrelstar or Bramblestar? What's your opinion and why? We haven't read anything yet. This question just doesn't work. I'm personally going to assume that Squirrelflight would be a Tigerstar II level leader, but I'm not going to pretend that's because I can see the future and read about her leadership; I'm just going off of past precedent.
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Post by Clawheart on Oct 1, 2023 19:24:21 GMT -5
Squirrelstar is impulsive, independent and scatterbrained and is she appointed Lionblaze as deputy they would become a… very impulsive, chaotic duo which would be fun to read lol also keep the firestar monarchy going!
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Oct 2, 2023 0:36:41 GMT -5
I love Squirrelflight. But she would not be a good leader. She may have her father's good heart, but she has her mother's temper. And unlike her mother, she doesn't know how to handle it.
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Post by maqle on Oct 2, 2023 16:38:23 GMT -5
I love Squirrelflight. But she would not be a good leader. She may have her father's good heart, but she has her mother's temper. And unlike her mother, she doesn't know how to handle it. That's honestly a really great way to describe her! It makes her endearing and interesting, but for leadership it's not so good lol
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Oct 2, 2023 20:18:56 GMT -5
I love Squirrelflight. But she would not be a good leader. She may have her father's good heart, but she has her mother's temper. And unlike her mother, she doesn't know how to handle it. That's honestly a really great way to describe her! It makes her endearing and interesting, but for leadership it's not so good lol Exactly. Like I enjoy Squirrelflight as a character for the most part. I always liked her a lot, and how loyal and caring she is for those she loves. However seeing how she handled being leader in TBC, and could not put her Clan first as leader, idk why people think she would do better as a leader now. Say what you will about Firestar or Bramblestar, but they always put their Clan first before their own feelings. Squirrelflight cares too deeply, and that gets her into a whole host of trouble where she is better off not in position of total power.
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