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Post by Squirrelpaw on Sept 8, 2023 13:58:34 GMT -5
There's an amount of unfair hatred toward Ivypool. She really isn't that bad to Dovewing. She's immature and misunderstanding to Dovewing, that's all. And she's an amazing spy. If she didn't report much, it's because she didn't learn a lot! The Dark Forest teased her and never gave her much information! Ivypool was not that nasty as an apprentice. She trusted the wrong cats, but learned to fight for her Clan. Ivypool is admirable and strong, and an interesting character. I like her alot! I hope she gets that Super Edition!
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 8, 2023 14:11:31 GMT -5
Since when is she hated? She's a fan favorite.
And it's really hard to call her an amazing spy when she only ever made a single effort to learn information and never did it otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2023 14:12:24 GMT -5
Is she hated that much? Most people seem to love her, she's a fan favorite. When there are polls on what cat people want to be Thunderclan deputy/leader Ivypool's vote absolutely overwhelms every other cat.
To point out a characters faults, or for a few people here and there to dislike a character as a whole, doesn't mean they're hated so much.
I personally, genuinely don't want a super edition for her. Past POVs already had their story told. If it was only, and ONLY, about her becoming leader then I would be more okay with it. But this is Warrior Cats we're talking about. At least half the book would be things we've already seen but with two sentences of differences.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 8, 2023 14:39:41 GMT -5
as someone who doesnt like ivypool, i can say that it's probably bc she was a god awful sister and spy in OOtS. she is overrated and overhyped despite doing a terrible job at spy.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 8, 2023 15:00:20 GMT -5
As someone who adores Ivypool and has her in my top ten favorite characters, I really don't care if Ivypool has people who hate her (same with Squirrelflight). Because it doesn't affect my enjoyment of her (or Squilf). People are allowed to hate or dislike someone, after all. And Ivypool is not real either. I will defend her if there are points I disagree with in a rant about her (there have been a few on here in recent months although those allegedly turned out to be by just one person using different accounts) but at the end of the day, she's a fictional battle cat from a series about religious kitties constantly fighting with each other.
And she is most definitely still a fan favorite even if there are also people who dislike, hate or just criticize her.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 8, 2023 15:23:04 GMT -5
I don't really think she's hated that much? From what I've seen, the majority of her detractors merely find her overrated by the rest of the fandom. It's more about disliking how much hype she gets as opposed to disliking the character herself.
Not to say there aren't people who outright hate her. I just wouldn't say it's a majority by any means.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 8, 2023 15:28:57 GMT -5
Like are other people have said, she's not really all that hated? Where are you getting the idea that she is? Her popularity absolutely outweighs any criticism she receives, and heavily so. Also, you say she's an amazing spy and immediately go on to say she didn't learn much. She wasn't amazing, then. And even if she didn't get much information, it's not like she was completely clueless, either.
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Sept 8, 2023 15:34:09 GMT -5
She isn't, you must have just fallen into some Ivypool hate echo chamber or have a persecution complex that went off after a couple of people expressed dislike for her. She's easily one of the more liked protagonists, especially compared to everyone from OOTS that isn't Jayfeather.
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Post by deerspirit on Sept 8, 2023 16:41:13 GMT -5
I think Ivypool is an overrated character. I like her a lot but she is overrated by the majority of the fan base the same with Jayfeather and Frostpaw (who I personally find very bland and boring and pretty much a camera into the extremely overrated RiverClan.) Again I just find their characters extremely overrated by the fan base but I still love, like , or are neutral with their characters. Again they’re many characters that I find just as, or more interesting who don’t get as much attention from the fan base.
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Post by Squirrelpaw on Sept 8, 2023 18:09:42 GMT -5
as someone who doesnt like ivypool, i can say that it's probably bc she was a god awful sister and spy in OOtS. she is overrated and overhyped despite doing a terrible job at spy. She wasn't that bad though, just immature. I don't think she wanted to harm Dovewing, she just wanted to be appreciated. Ivypool always cared about Dovewing when they were younger.
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on Sept 8, 2023 18:48:12 GMT -5
As an Ivypool lover, I enjoy her flaws, that’s why I love her. I enjoy reading about how selfish and jealous she is during OotS, I enjoy reading her having a love-hare relationship with Dovewing. But, this is the same reasons that people have when they hate her, and that’s completely fine. Also, I know posts above have pointed this out, but Ivypool doesn’t have that much hate imo. She’s most definitely a fan favorite (people want her to get an SE, be deputy etc.)
Ivypool is hated because she is generally a jerk during the beginning of OotS, and that’s what I love about her.
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Post by Squirrelpaw on Sept 8, 2023 18:49:14 GMT -5
Like are other people have said, she's not really all that hated? Where are you getting the idea that she is? Her popularity absolutely outweighs any criticism she receives, and heavily so. Also, you say she's an amazing spy and immediately go on to say she didn't learn much. She wasn't amazing, then. And even if she didn't get much information, it's not like she was completely clueless, either. She's getting criticism for being a bad sister but I don't think she's all that terrible. I'm on a server and ppl were bashing her for getting involved DoveTiger, but she just wants Dovewing to follow the rules. I guess Ivypool wasn't amazing, but I read all her chapters, and she tried really hard to get information from the DF warriors. But she was decent at her job, and she did report things, even if it was last minute planned.
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Post by Squirrelpaw on Sept 8, 2023 19:04:04 GMT -5
As an Ivypool lover, I enjoy her flaws, that’s why I love her. I enjoy reading about how selfish and jealous she is during OotS, I enjoy reading her having a love-hare relationship with Dovewing. But, this is the same reasons that people have when they hate her, and that’s completely fine. Also, I know posts above have pointed this out, but Ivypool doesn’t have that much hate imo. She’s most definitely a fan favorite (people want her to get an SE, be deputy etc.) Ivypool is hated because she is generally a jerk during the beginning of OotS, and that’s what I love about her. I don't think she was even selfish! She's just immature and wanted to be loved like Dovepaw. I only see hate on a discord server, a person was criticizing her for shutting Dovewing out in Tigerheart's Shadow, and I think that's pretty harsh, but she sees Tigerstar as a bad mate for Dovewing, and I don't think these haters understand her PoV. She doesn't want Dovewing to get hurt again, and hasn't liked him since he took advantage of her about the catmint. It's a pretty valid reason to shut her out, imo. Ivypool's angry Dovewing is padding after the guy who hurt her again, and she's worried about Dovewing's safety with him and her own clan.
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on Sept 8, 2023 19:08:57 GMT -5
As an Ivypool lover, I enjoy her flaws, that’s why I love her. I enjoy reading about how selfish and jealous she is during OotS, I enjoy reading her having a love-hare relationship with Dovewing. But, this is the same reasons that people have when they hate her, and that’s completely fine. Also, I know posts above have pointed this out, but Ivypool doesn’t have that much hate imo. She’s most definitely a fan favorite (people want her to get an SE, be deputy etc.) Ivypool is hated because she is generally a jerk during the beginning of OotS, and that’s what I love about her. I don't think she was even selfish! She's just immature and wanted to be loved like Dovepaw. I only see hate on a discord server, a person was criticizing her for shutting Dovewing out in Tigerheart's Shadow, and I think that's pretty harsh, but she sees Tigerstar as a bad mate for Dovewing, and I don't think these haters understand her PoV. She doesn't want Dovewing to get hurt again, and hasn't liked him since he took advantage of her about the catmint. It's a pretty valid reason to shut her out, imo. Ivypool's angry Dovewing is padding after the guy who hurt her again, and she's worried about Dovewing's safety with him and her own clan. I fully agree your statement. I more think Ivypool had less reasonable critism towards her sister in early OotS caused by jealousy, but I TS she is fully reasonable shunning out Dovewing imo.
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Post by Squirrelpaw on Sept 8, 2023 19:15:10 GMT -5
I don't think she was even selfish! She's just immature and wanted to be loved like Dovepaw. I only see hate on a discord server, a person was criticizing her for shutting Dovewing out in Tigerheart's Shadow, and I think that's pretty harsh, but she sees Tigerstar as a bad mate for Dovewing, and I don't think these haters understand her PoV. She doesn't want Dovewing to get hurt again, and hasn't liked him since he took advantage of her about the catmint. It's a pretty valid reason to shut her out, imo. Ivypool's angry Dovewing is padding after the guy who hurt her again, and she's worried about Dovewing's safety with him and her own clan. I fully agree your statement. I more think Ivypool had less reasonable critism towards her sister in early OotS caused by jealousy, but I TS she is fully reasonable shunning out Dovewing imo. Yep. She's just mad at her for being stupid. Dovewing lost everything, and she has to stick with her choice.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 8, 2023 19:40:03 GMT -5
I only see hate on a discord server, This is likely the issue. Discord serves are often echo chambers in this regard.
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Post by کیوان on Sept 8, 2023 19:55:19 GMT -5
Eh, my personal bone to pick was with Ivypaw. I think as time went on, Ivypool began to mature. To an extent, I prefer her to Dovewing now.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 8, 2023 19:58:12 GMT -5
Like are other people have said, she's not really all that hated? Where are you getting the idea that she is? Her popularity absolutely outweighs any criticism she receives, and heavily so. Also, you say she's an amazing spy and immediately go on to say she didn't learn much. She wasn't amazing, then. And even if she didn't get much information, it's not like she was completely clueless, either. She's getting criticism for being a bad sister but I don't think she's all that terrible. I'm on a server and ppl were bashing her for getting involved DoveTiger, but she just wants Dovewing to follow the rules. I guess Ivypool wasn't amazing, but I read all her chapters, and she tried really hard to get information from the DF warriors. But she was decent at her job, and she did report things, even if it was last minute planned. Okay, well, have you actually seen widespread hate on her anywhere else or is it only this one person/a handful of people who voiced their dislike of her? Because the way your post was worded made it seem like you somehow thought she was more hated than loved. And as for Ivypool herself, her being worried about Dovewing doesn't seem to be the issue, at least for me, it's more how she went about it (ex: giving her sister the cold shoulder). As far as her spying is concerned, it's canon that she tried to avoid giving Lionblaze and Jayfeather the information she did have at least twice, so I'm really not sure if even calling her decent fits.
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Post by cable on Sept 8, 2023 20:33:31 GMT -5
She's getting criticism for being a bad sister but I don't think she's all that terrible. I'm on a server and ppl were bashing her for getting involved DoveTiger, but she just wants Dovewing to follow the rules. I guess Ivypool wasn't amazing, but I read all her chapters, and she tried really hard to get information from the DF warriors. But she was decent at her job, and she did report things, even if it was last minute planned. Okay, well, have you actually seen widespread hate on her anywhere else or is it only this one person/a handful of people who voiced their dislike of her? Because the way your post was worded made it seem like you somehow thought she was more hated than loved. And as for Ivypool herself, her being worried about Dovewing doesn't seem to be the issue, at least for me, it's more how she went about it (ex: giving her sister the cold shoulder). As far as her spying is concerned, it's canon that she tried to avoid giving Lionblaze and Jayfeather the information she did have at least twice, so I'm really not sure if even calling her decent fits. what ticked me off was ivypool dragging twigpaw into things. thats just too much, getting an apprentice involved in her personal beef with her sister. it was really immature of her. its pretty obvious the reason she didnt want to look for skyclan was because she didnt want tigerheart and dovewing going anywhere together imo. i honestly prefer dovewing, but im generally neutral on ivypool. that being said, shes one of the most popular characters in the series.
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Post by ¯\_(ツ)_/¯IvyStar¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on Sept 9, 2023 20:25:56 GMT -5
I don't see a ton of hate towards her but sometimes I do see some hate. She was much better planned out than Dovewing in my opinion, and she was fun to read about, so I have no idea why some people hate her.
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Post by 「Wιитεяичgнт」 on Sept 10, 2023 16:08:55 GMT -5
Ivypool is most definitely NOT hated by the Fandom, lmao. I just personally dislike her a lot. I just don't think she's that great and want to see someone else in the TC dep position. But just because a few people scream dislike doesn't mean she's hated all around.
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