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Post by Poppysong on Aug 30, 2023 11:45:29 GMT -5
I know it's been a while since the code changed (in real life not the books) but what is everyone's opinions on the new rules about changing Clans and deposing leaders and if you you could change them what would you change?
Personally I like the changing clans rule but the leader rule is stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2023 11:51:13 GMT -5
To depose a leader you have to present the case to the other leaders. Like why? You’re changing something pretty big, yes, but I don’t see why they have to agree to it. That would probably be what I would change. Agreed. If one clan has a tyrant on their hands, and said tyrant is cahoots with another clan leader, that leader could easily disagree with the change for their own benefit. It's rather ridiculous.
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Post by Hollyfall on Aug 30, 2023 12:06:28 GMT -5
To depose a leader you have to present the case to the other leaders. Like why? You’re changing something pretty big, yes, but I don’t see why they have to agree to it. That would probably be what I would change. It's not a bad concept entirely to me in a case where getting rid of the leader proves difficult and requires an outside force, but I think it would almost certainly lead to situations where rival leaders will use it to take over another Clan. Sort of like what Tigerstar II is doing right now to RiverClan.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2023 12:31:58 GMT -5
Not the leader topic, but I think they removed 'deputy has to have an apprentice' rule? (I don't know if they fixed it?), but this gives me nightheartstar vibes.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 30, 2023 12:40:10 GMT -5
Not the leader topic, but I think they removed 'deputy has to have an apprentice' rule? (I don't know if they fixed it?), but this gives me nightheartstar vibes. That was just a mistake on their part. They added that rule back in not long afterwards.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2023 12:44:25 GMT -5
Not the leader topic, but I think they removed 'deputy has to have an apprentice' rule? (I don't know if they fixed it?), but this gives me nightheartstar vibes. That was just a mistake on their part. They added that rule back in not long afterwards. Ok, thank you for correcting me!
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Post by Katanaheart on Aug 30, 2023 13:12:05 GMT -5
I dislike the new rules. I prefer the original ones
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 30, 2023 14:16:25 GMT -5
I personally like the new rules but think that the leader one is too complicated or was at least worded/presented in a way that seemed needlessly so.
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Post by {Azure} on Aug 30, 2023 15:28:40 GMT -5
just let med cats have mates already!(yes, i know its a different code)
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Post by oatwhisker on Aug 31, 2023 22:09:25 GMT -5
bleh. i dont know where theyre going with these new arcs. since TBC it's been a downwards spiral. what are they trying to accomplish? this all seems very convoluted and complex for no reason whatsoever- how are they going to have a decent explaination for any of this? it's so frustrating. i hate the new code.
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Post by ! (Ġray) ! on Sept 1, 2023 0:01:10 GMT -5
I prefer the original rules. I think that if a leader is corrupt we should have a good ole' fashion, extremely bloody and violent, traumatising for the protagonist, mutiny.
Tbh warrior cats in general has just become a lot more... child friendly imo. Bring back the days of constant battle between the clans that stopped there from being 700000 cats in each clan. I know that there's still murder and stuff, but I honestly miss cats having violent battles and also a lot of natural disasters. Because this is kind of off topic, I'm going back to my opinions on the new rules:
Yeah, okay. Nice rule, but why do we care about the other clans??? I don't like this rule because it implies that there are no more battles allowed between clans (how are you supposed to defend the clans with your life if your fighting with a WindClan warrior over stolen prey?) Also why do we care about other clans falling. Like if they're too weak to live, let 'em die. It worked out fine for the guys who kicked out SkyClan (I know Brokenstar exists but he wasn't alive until far after they were all dead so it didn't impact them at all)
What traditions??? The only tradition the clans have are shared by all of them, and how are the clans proud and independent??? In river a ShadowClan patrol literally went to RiverClan camp because someone stepped on a thorn rather than sucking it up or going back to their own clan. That is not independence. They might as well all just live in one big clan at this point. Also, does "respect their traditions" mean that nobody can call WindClan Rabbit-chasers???
But I thought we were supposed to protect everyone with our lives???? When is a warrior ever gonna be in a situation where one of the above rules does not prevent a conflict?
Nah I don't have a problem with this one. It's good because its actually enforceable. I feel like a lot of the rules on the warrior code are more traditions or rituals at this point (clan swapping and leader re-electing) than actual rules. "Don't eat before vulnerable people" is enforceable by not letting the cat ho broke it eat later, or some other punishment. What's gonna be the punishment if the clans cut corners when getting a new leader? Is StarClan gonna haunt their nightmares more than usual?
No problems with this one, but I think that when a cat is a leader they should be a leader forever. No backing out.
Once again, no problems
Okay, problems with this. Brokenstar, for example, had a lot of followers, and I don't know how many cats were in ShadowClan when he reigned, but I'm pretty sure there weren't enough to raise objections against him and his followers. Also, an evil leader could always kill the cat who made the objections, or exiled cats who went against them Ashfur-style. A cat like Hawkfrost would probably use this rule to become deputy and get another cat to raise objections against the leader. Also, its literally none of the other clans business. I don't see why warriors can't just use common sense for a moment and just overthrow a tyrannical leader, but yk. Also, with the give their lives to the deputy, I hate how nine lives are just "pass the parcel" now. I think that once you get 9 lives, they're permanent until you die. No giving them back, no giving them to another cat.
Imagine if the leaders used this rule to get their warriors to seduce strong warriors from other clans and ended up with a clan full of really strong cats lol
This should be more important than each clan is proud and independent imo
No problems
Except for all the ones that were made deputy without having an apprentice
Except for all the ones that became kittypets. Also why is this rule even still here? there is literally no clan loyalty anymore. Cats leave all the time. Back in the first arc it used to be "I'm thunderclan which makes me 3000% better than you" and now nobody cares
What about the ones that don't follow the code? also whats the point in challenging them when they're allowed to visit for pretty much any reason
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Post by Molesnout on Sept 1, 2023 13:23:01 GMT -5
I think the leader rule is a decent idea, but it doesn't need to be so specific and long. It makes it feel more like a law rather than a code to live by. Plus, if most of the clan is corrupt that wouldn't go well. Actually, that would make for a cool plot point, if done CORRECTLY.
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Post by TawnystarIsReal on Sept 30, 2023 8:36:40 GMT -5
I remember vividly one of the codes (years before they redid them) was a leader was required to step down if they were no longer fully capable of leading the clan. If they were too old, caused too many unnecessary issues, and or put the clan in harms way, they needed to retire and the deputy would become leader. Apparently this was never a code and I made it up. The stupidest code was, “the word of the clan leader is the warrior code” because leaders won’t always be right. If they’re obviously in the wrong, you don’t need to follow what they say. A perfect example is Brokenstar: he went against the warrior code by apprenticing kits younger than six moons. But what the leader says is law, so wouldn’t that be okay? It’s very contradictory and I’m happy they FINALLY added a code to get rid of corrupt leaders. Obviously in the story it won’t ever happen because other clans need to chime in, as well as alliances between cats in the clan it would be taking place in, but it’s a start (a very late one)
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Post by 🐦silvermoon2🐦 on Sept 30, 2023 10:07:15 GMT -5
I don't mind the new rule about deposing leaders. But I don't like the one about cats being able to switch clans to have mates, I think it will just make things a lot more complicated, especially if there are cats like Nightheart who change clans for a mate and then change their mind, or if a cat changed clans for a mate and then their new clan fought a battle with their old clan and they weren't able to fight their old clan mates. I think the old rule about cats not being able to have mates from other clans helped avoid a lot of problems.
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