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Post by auser on May 24, 2023 10:45:25 GMT -5
The Fandom hates him because people think that he is a dumb bland jock.
I hate him for another reason, he is literally violent.
He tries to kill Crowfeather once.
He treats Shadowsight awfully (I know that he was angry because his adoptive father died because of him but it was wrong of him to take his feelings on someone).
He wants to murder and take revenge against Heathertail. I think he even tries to harm her.
A lot of people seems to hate her, Lionblaze broke with her as an apprentice without ever explaining why and people think that she's the annoying one because she complains about it ??? This is ****ed up.
Don't even get me on his absurd power. How does he even gets harmed if his whole power consists of him being invincible ? How does this even works ?
I'm concerned about him getting into a relationship with Cinderheart considering how violent he his on several instances.
Finally, Lionblaze is the worst judge ever, he makes for a terrible leader and deputy.
I don't want Ivypool as a deputy since I found her awful in OotS but this one character becoming a deputy would be even worse. At least, Ivypool seem to have cool down since her introduction arc (even if she is shown to be obnoxious about Dovewing's relationship with Tigerheart and I think with Twigbranch once). I know that it isn't Spotfur time to become deputy since she just got trauma and three kits dumped on her but I hope that there's some character like her that gets a chance to shine as the new ThunderClan deputy. Like Poppyfrost for example, it's been several arcs since we haven't heard much of her.
Edit : forgot to add that he was rude with Spotfur once and didn't even try to listen to her telling how awful of a leader he was even though she was his daughter, goes to tell you how close-minded he is as a person
The Fandom should talk more about the problematic behaviors on Lionblaze, heck, I don't even know why Moonkitti hasn't noticed this about him and talked about it in one of her videos
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Post by tigerheart on May 24, 2023 10:49:23 GMT -5
I agree,he is very violent. He killed Russetfur,he took one of Harestar’s lives,he does kill Shredtail,which I don’t blame him for. But overall,he is very violent.
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Post by auser on May 24, 2023 10:52:41 GMT -5
I'm concerned about his mental state,I think he is one of the cats that should genuinely see a therapist
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Post by cable on May 24, 2023 12:26:52 GMT -5
I agree,he is very violent. He killed Russetfur,he took one of Harestar’s lives,he does kill Shredtail,which I don’t blame him for. But overall,he is very violent. not sure why people keep holding the russetfur thing against him. it was very obviously an accident, and likely because of her advanced age. he was trying to pull her off firestar because she was literally murdering him, and she died as he yanked her off. his pov shows that he was horrified when he realized she was dead. him killing her had nothing to do with him having an excessively violent personality. it was an accident. besides which, even if it wasnt, russetfur literally murdered firestar over a border dispute. lionblaze would be fully within his rights to protect his leader.
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Post by cable on May 24, 2023 12:33:29 GMT -5
I'm concerned about his mental state,I think he is one of the cats that should genuinely see a therapist my take as somebody with violent intrusive thoughts and mental health issues that affect my temper: unfortunately, in warriors society, if you have that specific set of issues, theres really not much to be done. you cant really ‘fix’ it. its an ongoing problem that you have to continually address and cope with. ive had my own relapses in the past, one of which was serious enough to warrant added regular psychiatrist appointments. lionblaze did seem to be doing better in avos. tbc was a relapse for him, likely because of how much he was dealing with. ashfur literally tried to murder him once and is directly tied to his life almost falling apart. his dad has been iced and his mom is kidnapped by her deranged ex. im not surprised lionblaze lost control of himself, but i appreciate that he realized how bad it was going for him and agreed to step down and let graystripe take control. it showed a lot of maturity and growth on his part. yes, lionblaze would benefit greatly from therapy, or anybody who has enough knowledge and experience to give him proper coping mechanisms. but thats just not the way their society is built, unfortunately. heathertail should get a restraining order though. regardless of how bad lionblaze may or may not feel about it, shes under no obligation to forgive him when he was in the worst of his hostile mental state.
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Post by tigerheart on May 24, 2023 13:02:25 GMT -5
I agree,he is very violent. He killed Russetfur,he took one of Harestar’s lives,he does kill Shredtail,which I don’t blame him for. But overall,he is very violent. not sure why people keep holding the russetfur thing against him. it was very obviously an accident, and likely because of her advanced age. he was trying to pull her off firestar because she was literally murdering him, and she died as he yanked her off. his pov shows that he was horrified when he realized she was dead. him killing her had nothing to do with him having an excessively violent personality. it was an accident. besides which, even if it wasnt, russetfur literally murdered firestar over a border dispute. lionblaze would be fully within his rights to protect his leader. You are right. I forgot that he felt bad about accidentally killing her. My mistake.
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Post by Ambersky on May 24, 2023 13:14:40 GMT -5
Well, I'm in the minority here, but I actually like his character. I think his quick temper, his violent tendencies, and his reckless behavior are rooted in his training sessions with Tigerstar when he was an apprentice. Because it was after Lionblaze began training with Tigerstar that he developed a lethal temper that often consumed him during the heat of battle, prompting him to be unsettlingly violent and ruthless- to the point that he even unsettled Firestar. Mosspelt. Lionpaw recognized the blue-eyed tortoiseshell from Gatherings. But this wasn’t a Gathering, and he was going to make her sorry she’d ever set paw on his land.
She crouched, trembling, in front of him as he padded toward her, rage darkening his vision until all he could see was her round, frightened eyes.
“Lionpaw!” Firestar’s sharp mew made him freeze.
Mosspelt darted past him and disappeared into the trees.
“Now look what you’ve done!” Lionpaw turned on his leader. “I could have finished her off.”
Wariness glittered in Firestar’s eyes. “I think she knew she was beaten.” In this scene, it's said that rage darkened his vision, meaning that his anger is overwhelming and powerful enough that it clouds his judgment, rendering him to be ruthless. I think Lionblaze is the sort of individual where his anger controls him, not the other way around. Because even after he cut ties with Tigerstar and lost his powers, his anger never left him. His anger is the reason why he lashed out at Shadowsight. His anger is the reason all of ThunderClan (including his own daughter) told him to his face that he wouldn't make a good deputy. His anger is the reason why he was harsh and downright mean to Nightheart in ASC. But even so, Lionblaze was never a malicious cat and he was always good-hearted. When he killed Russetfur, took a life from Harestar, and almost killed Crowfeather, he reacted with horror. He only hurt them because his temper, once again, got the best of him, but once his anger faded, he was only left with horrified disbelief at what he did. Like people said above, he definitely needs therapy. It's clear his trauma and rage from training with Tigerstar and Hawkfrost in the Dark Forest never left him. But I think it's what makes him such a flawed, well-rounded, and interesting character to read about. But I'm probably the only one in the fandom who enjoys his character.
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Post by auser on May 24, 2023 13:20:15 GMT -5
Well, I'm in the minority here, but I actually like his character. I think his quick temper, his violent tendencies, and his reckless behavior are rooted in his training sessions with Tigerstar when he was an apprentice. Because it was after Lionblaze began training with Tigerstar that he developed a lethal temper that often consumed him during the heat of battle, prompting him to be unsettlingly violent and ruthless- to the point that he even unsettled Firestar. Mosspelt. Lionpaw recognized the blue-eyed tortoiseshell from Gatherings. But this wasn’t a Gathering, and he was going to make her sorry she’d ever set paw on his land.
She crouched, trembling, in front of him as he padded toward her, rage darkening his vision until all he could see was her round, frightened eyes.
“Lionpaw!” Firestar’s sharp mew made him freeze.
Mosspelt darted past him and disappeared into the trees.
“Now look what you’ve done!” Lionpaw turned on his leader. “I could have finished her off.”
Wariness glittered in Firestar’s eyes. “I think she knew she was beaten.” In this scene, it's said that rage darkened his vision, meaning that his anger is overwhelming and powerful enough that it clouds his judgment, rendering him to be ruthless. I think Lionblaze is the sort of individual where his anger controls him, not the other way around. Because even after he cut ties with Tigerstar and lost his powers, his anger never left him. His anger is the reason why he lashed out at Shadowsight. His anger is the reason all of ThunderClan (including his own daughter) told him to his face that he wouldn't make a good deputy. His anger is the reason why he was harsh and downright mean to Nightheart in ASC. But even so, Lionblaze was never a malicious cat and he was always good-hearted. When he killed Russetfur, took a life from Harestar, and almost killed Crowfeather, he reacted with horror. He only hurt them because his temper, once again, got the best of him, but once his anger faded, he was only left with horrified disbelief at what he did. Like people said above, he definitely needs therapy. It's clear his trauma and rage from training with Tigerstar and Hawkfrost in the Dark Forest never left him. But I think it's what makes him such a flawed, well-rounded, and interesting character to read about. But I'm probably the only one in the fandom who enjoys his character. Yup, I tend to don't like him but I can see how powerless he is regarding his anger issues Just a question to the person above that mentioned that they had anger issues ? Do you get medicated for it ? If yes, I think Lionblaze could benefit from a cat version medication for anger issues (but I think his hypothetical therapist should first discover the underlying causes of these kind of behavior, though I'm not a professional, just a minor talking here)
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Post by Ivyclaw🪻 on May 24, 2023 13:23:14 GMT -5
Lionblaze needs to talk to his mate more often. Cinderheart knows him from his heart to his tail-tip. I don't know why she doesn't try to get onto his case for his reckless, scary and concerning actions. It has made a lot of cats uncomfortable with him in the past and he even lashed out physically on Hollyleaf once.
As for Ivypool, she's really not that bad - I agree she was an awful, selfish person as an apprentice, and pretty stupid for putting herself in danger just so she can have attention instead of thinking of her own safety - but she is a lot better as a warrior now, and calmed down a bit after her sister left.I think Ivypool needs to focus on her happiness with Fernsong and be stress-free.. I feel like being deputy would take that freedom away from her mate and kits. The only thing I'd criticize Ivypool for is to try to understand Dovewing's feelings as a sister instead of acting out in anger, and I didn't like how she slashed and shamed Tigerstar in TS. She didn't understand what Dovewing put him through, and I think she was a little unfair about that. But Ivypool is not that bad. I don't think she wants to be deputy because I think Ivypool's happier with her family. Its never hinted Ivypool actually wants it, only other cats and her fans. Someone else should be deputy imo.
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Post by cable on May 24, 2023 13:27:58 GMT -5
Well, I'm in the minority here, but I actually like his character. I think his quick temper, his violent tendencies, and his reckless behavior are rooted in his training sessions with Tigerstar when he was an apprentice. Because it was after Lionblaze began training with Tigerstar that he developed a lethal temper that often consumed him during the heat of battle, prompting him to be unsettlingly violent and ruthless- to the point that he even unsettled Firestar. Mosspelt. Lionpaw recognized the blue-eyed tortoiseshell from Gatherings. But this wasn’t a Gathering, and he was going to make her sorry she’d ever set paw on his land.
She crouched, trembling, in front of him as he padded toward her, rage darkening his vision until all he could see was her round, frightened eyes.
“Lionpaw!” Firestar’s sharp mew made him freeze.
Mosspelt darted past him and disappeared into the trees.
“Now look what you’ve done!” Lionpaw turned on his leader. “I could have finished her off.”
Wariness glittered in Firestar’s eyes. “I think she knew she was beaten.” In this scene, it's said that rage darkened his vision, meaning that his anger is overwhelming and powerful enough that it clouds his judgment, rendering him to be ruthless. I think Lionblaze is the sort of individual where his anger controls him, not the other way around. Because even after he cut ties with Tigerstar and lost his powers, his anger never left him. His anger is the reason why he lashed out at Shadowsight. His anger is the reason all of ThunderClan (including his own daughter) told him to his face that he wouldn't make a good deputy. His anger is the reason why he was harsh and downright mean to Nightheart in ASC. But even so, Lionblaze was never a malicious cat and he was always good-hearted. When he killed Russetfur, took a life from Harestar, and almost killed Crowfeather, he reacted with horror. He only hurt them because his temper, once again, got the best of him, but once his anger faded, he was only left with horrified disbelief at what he did. Like people said above, he definitely needs therapy. It's clear his trauma and rage from training with Tigerstar and Hawkfrost in the Dark Forest never left him. But I think it's what makes him such a flawed, well-rounded, and interesting character to read about. But I'm probably the only one in the fandom who enjoys his character. Yup, I tend to don't like him but I can see how powerless he is regarding his anger issues Just a question to the person above that mentioned that they had anger issues ? Do you get medicated for it ? If yes, I think Lionblaze could benefit from a cat version medication for anger issues (but I think his hypothetical therapist should first discover the underlying causes of these kind of behavior, though I'm not a professional, just a minor talking here) i do talk therapy to work on coping mechanisms, and i also take medication for anxiety (which contributes to my impulsive behavior and thoughts). regular exercise, a neat schedule, and some mindful hobbies help (i usually stick to coloring. love me some coloring), but its all these things together that make me a functional human lol. but yes, before treating it, you need to find out why its happening in the first place. knowing the root cause can help you focus on what aspects you need to actually treat and what could trigger relapses.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 13:29:53 GMT -5
I'm going to lighten the mood my saying how the Three's opinions on Sol vary. I haven't read Long Shadows in a while, but I remember I was confused. Jayfeather didn't care, Lionblaze wanted to kill Sol, like most, but then Hollyleaf was OBSESSED with him, kinda exaggerating, but her thoughts were Sol, sol, sol,sol,sol, something else for a few mintues, sol repeat.
Also keep in mind I haven't read this a while, so some parts may be wrong.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on May 24, 2023 13:40:26 GMT -5
I love Lionblaze for his violent tendencies (and him as a character in general lol). But without excusing that. Even though there is always at least an explanation for it in terms of the various situations already named where his anger issues come through (also am yet another person with anger issues here btw).
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Post by hazelmaeda on May 24, 2023 13:42:40 GMT -5
I dunno how I feel about him. He's an excellent brother to Jayfeather and Hollyleaf but that's all he's really good for now. He only ever talks to say something extreme or propose acts of violence. Also, him wishing to kill Shadowsight should be seen as more shocking in the books due to him being the son of his former apprentice- and fellow hero in OOTS! It's just weird that it's not really highlighted. At least he's self-aware of the fact he's too violent to make a good leader.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on May 24, 2023 13:45:12 GMT -5
Well, I'm in the minority here, but I actually like his character. I think his quick temper, his violent tendencies, and his reckless behavior are rooted in his training sessions with Tigerstar when he was an apprentice. Because it was after Lionblaze began training with Tigerstar that he developed a lethal temper that often consumed him during the heat of battle, prompting him to be unsettlingly violent and ruthless- to the point that he even unsettled Firestar. Mosspelt. Lionpaw recognized the blue-eyed tortoiseshell from Gatherings. But this wasn’t a Gathering, and he was going to make her sorry she’d ever set paw on his land.
She crouched, trembling, in front of him as he padded toward her, rage darkening his vision until all he could see was her round, frightened eyes.
“Lionpaw!” Firestar’s sharp mew made him freeze.
Mosspelt darted past him and disappeared into the trees.
“Now look what you’ve done!” Lionpaw turned on his leader. “I could have finished her off.”
Wariness glittered in Firestar’s eyes. “I think she knew she was beaten.” In this scene, it's said that rage darkened his vision, meaning that his anger is overwhelming and powerful enough that it clouds his judgment, rendering him to be ruthless. I think Lionblaze is the sort of individual where his anger controls him, not the other way around. Because even after he cut ties with Tigerstar and lost his powers, his anger never left him. His anger is the reason why he lashed out at Shadowsight. His anger is the reason all of ThunderClan (including his own daughter) told him to his face that he wouldn't make a good deputy. His anger is the reason why he was harsh and downright mean to Nightheart in ASC. But even so, Lionblaze was never a malicious cat and he was always good-hearted. When he killed Russetfur, took a life from Harestar, and almost killed Crowfeather, he reacted with horror. He only hurt them because his temper, once again, got the best of him, but once his anger faded, he was only left with horrified disbelief at what he did. Like people said above, he definitely needs therapy. It's clear his trauma and rage from training with Tigerstar and Hawkfrost in the Dark Forest never left him. But I think it's what makes him such a flawed, well-rounded, and interesting character to read about. But I'm probably the only one in the fandom who enjoys his character.I can assure you that you're not. At least not on here. Not sure about other fandom sections though (although his littermates have always been more popular than him even on the forums). But anyways, I loveblaze Lionblaze (lmao why does that sound so cringe when applied to his character but cute when it's Moonkitti's "I lovewing Dovewing" moment smh, sorry about that).
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Post by vectoring34 on May 24, 2023 14:47:01 GMT -5
Him being violent and angry is why I like him. In a sea of characters who lost their personality, Lionblaze's post OOTS characterization is incredibly refreshing, as he has managed to retain himself as a unique character all the while not really feeling ooc. He's not all anger either, you see that he's pretty much solely focused on his family and that immediate circle and as that circle leaves, he progressively becomes less caring. In short, he's a very tribalistic person, but within that tribe of his, he's very caring and too forgiving if anything. It's only when you get to cats outside of it that betray his family that he gets very mad.
I don't think he's all that bad as he's sometimes made out to be though. His aggression to Crowfeather was beyond the pale yes, but I feel like it bears noting that this was the same battle where someone nearly gutted Squirrelflight and Windclan+Riverclan were trying to chase out Thunderclan. It was a pretty pitched battle is all I'm saying. The Heatherpaw stuff is bad, but I would add that thinking about doing something and actually doing it aren't the same thing. Lionblaze had dark thoughts, but he made the right choice of his own volition, which I think may be worth something.
Of course, in the end, Lionblaze has his berserker moments which lead to him making bad decisions, but it's clearly acknowledged as such in the books with him accepting that his leadership wasn't particularly good and seeming to be content to just be a senior warrior. I recall him treating Nightheart reasonably well too, so the time after Ashfur seems to have done wonders to lower his blood pressure.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 24, 2023 15:07:10 GMT -5
I honestly really like Lionblaze, at least in PoT and TBC (OotS made him incredibly boring for the most part). I really don't understand what's the point of holding the Russetfur thing against him, though. It was clearly an accident.
And as for Heathertail, yeah, he was awful to her, no doubt about it. What gets me however is when people keep acting like he could've controlled his dreams, when first of all, no, that's not really how it works. Second of all, I'm pretty sure it was heavily implied the dreams were sent to him by Tigerstar and he felt horrified every time afterwards anyway. And third of all, he was actively doing his best to avoid Heathertail after the Eclipse battle. It's why he was so hesitant to go to WindClan to get catmint in the first place, even though there was a greencough outbreak. And yeah, he did end up attacking her... in a vision. He was even relieved when it didn't come true!
I may not care for him, but I can at least appreciate a character who's self-aware and tries to work on himself, even if he may not be successful at times.
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Post by cable on May 24, 2023 15:32:42 GMT -5
I honestly really like Lionblaze, at least in PoT and TBC (OotS made him incredibly boring for the most part). I really don't understand what's the point of holding the Russetfur thing against him, though. It was clearly an accident. And as for Heathertail, yeah, he was awful to her, no doubt about it. What gets me however is when people keep acting like he could've controlled his dreams, when first of all, no, that's not really how it works. Second of all, I'm pretty sure it was heavily implied the dreams were sent to him by Tigerstar and he felt horrified every time afterwards anyway. And third of all, he was actively doing his best to avoid Heathertail after the Eclipse battle. It's why he was so hesitant to go to WindClan to get catmint in the first place, even though there was a greencough outbreak. And yeah, he did end up attacking her... in a vision. He was even relieved when it didn't come true! I may not care for him, but I can at least appreciate a character who's self-aware and tries to work on himself, even if he may not be successful at times. yeah. thanks for saying it. i didnt want to just point it out because there are some greivances with things he actually did do, but a lot of the things people say make him bad are like… things he just thinks about or has a dream about. like stuff he didnt even actually do. its like that joke where your partner has a dream you cheated on them and demands an apology in real life. it just makes me uncomfortable you know
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 24, 2023 15:45:47 GMT -5
I honestly really like Lionblaze, at least in PoT and TBC (OotS made him incredibly boring for the most part). I really don't understand what's the point of holding the Russetfur thing against him, though. It was clearly an accident. And as for Heathertail, yeah, he was awful to her, no doubt about it. What gets me however is when people keep acting like he could've controlled his dreams, when first of all, no, that's not really how it works. Second of all, I'm pretty sure it was heavily implied the dreams were sent to him by Tigerstar and he felt horrified every time afterwards anyway. And third of all, he was actively doing his best to avoid Heathertail after the Eclipse battle. It's why he was so hesitant to go to WindClan to get catmint in the first place, even though there was a greencough outbreak. And yeah, he did end up attacking her... in a vision. He was even relieved when it didn't come true! I may not care for him, but I can at least appreciate a character who's self-aware and tries to work on himself, even if he may not be successful at times. yeah. thanks for saying it. i didnt want to just point it out because there are some greivances with things he actually did do, but a lot of the things people say make him bad are like… things he just thinks about or has a dream about. like stuff he didnt even actually do. its like that joke where your partner has a dream you cheated on them and demands an apology in real life. it just makes me uncomfortable you know Yeah, I totally get that! And who hasn't had a bad thought at least once in their life? Lionblaze's were just more violent than usual, but even then, it's not like he actively sought out Heathertail with the intention to harm her. I just don't see what's the point of hating him for something he never actually did or even wanted. Having bad thoughts doesn't make you a bad person. Actions often speak louder for a reason.
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Post by hazelmaeda on May 24, 2023 15:55:41 GMT -5
yeah. thanks for saying it. i didnt want to just point it out because there are some greivances with things he actually did do, but a lot of the things people say make him bad are like… things he just thinks about or has a dream about. like stuff he didnt even actually do. its like that joke where your partner has a dream you cheated on them and demands an apology in real life. it just makes me uncomfortable you know Yeah, I totally get that! And who hasn't had a bad thought at least once in their life? Lionblaze's were just more violent than usual, but even then, it's not like he actively sought out Heathertail with the intention to harm her. I just don't see what's the point of hating him for something he never actually did or even wanted. Having bad thoughts doesn't make you a bad person. Actions often speak louder for a reason. Yeah, there were some cases where Lionblaze wasn't intentionally trying to be overly-violent but his power caused him to go a bit overboard. Like, when he killed Russetfur it was a complete accident. He barely even got rough with her and she kicked the bucket. I felt bad for him in that scene because he was treated like some sort of monster for the next while, even by a few of his own Clanmates! I felt like that was unfair since many cats had caused accidental casualties during battle and it was very obvious he hadn't meant to kill her. He seems to be the only cat to get flack for doing this during battle. But then Tawnypelt just jumps into battle and kills his "rival" in TBC and that's never mentioned again for some reason.
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Post by auser on May 24, 2023 15:57:09 GMT -5
yeah. thanks for saying it. i didnt want to just point it out because there are some greivances with things he actually did do, but a lot of the things people say make him bad are like… things he just thinks about or has a dream about. like stuff he didnt even actually do. its like that joke where your partner has a dream you cheated on them and demands an apology in real life. it just makes me uncomfortable you know Yeah, I totally get that! And who hasn't had a bad thought at least once in their life? Lionblaze's were just more violent than usual, but even then, it's not like he actively sought out Heathertail with the intention to harm her. I just don't see what's the point of hating him for something he never actually did or even wanted. Having bad thoughts doesn't make you a bad person. Actions often speak louder for a reason. Sorry, it has been a long time since I read PoT so I might have said nonsense about things he did, I should've checked the warrior cats wiki beforehand
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Post by hazelmaeda on May 24, 2023 16:06:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I totally get that! And who hasn't had a bad thought at least once in their life? Lionblaze's were just more violent than usual, but even then, it's not like he actively sought out Heathertail with the intention to harm her. I just don't see what's the point of hating him for something he never actually did or even wanted. Having bad thoughts doesn't make you a bad person. Actions often speak louder for a reason. Sorry, it has been a long time since I read PoT so I might have said nonsense about things he did, I should've checked the warrior cats wiki beforehand His character arc is a bit overshadowed after the whole Heatherpaw arc so that's understandable. He somehow has the least dramatic one in POT. Some people say it's "boring." I don't like him much but I personally like his chapters because we get to see a lot of slice of life stuff with ThunderClan during his pov chapters.
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Post by Ambersky on May 24, 2023 17:31:44 GMT -5
Well, I'm in the minority here, but I actually like his character. I think his quick temper, his violent tendencies, and his reckless behavior are rooted in his training sessions with Tigerstar when he was an apprentice. Because it was after Lionblaze began training with Tigerstar that he developed a lethal temper that often consumed him during the heat of battle, prompting him to be unsettlingly violent and ruthless- to the point that he even unsettled Firestar. Mosspelt. Lionpaw recognized the blue-eyed tortoiseshell from Gatherings. But this wasn’t a Gathering, and he was going to make her sorry she’d ever set paw on his land.
She crouched, trembling, in front of him as he padded toward her, rage darkening his vision until all he could see was her round, frightened eyes.
“Lionpaw!” Firestar’s sharp mew made him freeze.
Mosspelt darted past him and disappeared into the trees.
“Now look what you’ve done!” Lionpaw turned on his leader. “I could have finished her off.”
Wariness glittered in Firestar’s eyes. “I think she knew she was beaten.” In this scene, it's said that rage darkened his vision, meaning that his anger is overwhelming and powerful enough that it clouds his judgment, rendering him to be ruthless. I think Lionblaze is the sort of individual where his anger controls him, not the other way around. Because even after he cut ties with Tigerstar and lost his powers, his anger never left him. His anger is the reason why he lashed out at Shadowsight. His anger is the reason all of ThunderClan (including his own daughter) told him to his face that he wouldn't make a good deputy. His anger is the reason why he was harsh and downright mean to Nightheart in ASC. But even so, Lionblaze was never a malicious cat and he was always good-hearted. When he killed Russetfur, took a life from Harestar, and almost killed Crowfeather, he reacted with horror. He only hurt them because his temper, once again, got the best of him, but once his anger faded, he was only left with horrified disbelief at what he did. Like people said above, he definitely needs therapy. It's clear his trauma and rage from training with Tigerstar and Hawkfrost in the Dark Forest never left him. But I think it's what makes him such a flawed, well-rounded, and interesting character to read about. But I'm probably the only one in the fandom who enjoys his character.I can assure you that you're not. At least not on here. Not sure about other fandom sections though (although his littermates have always been more popular than him even on the forums). But anyways, I loveblaze Lionblaze (lmao why does that sound so cringe when applied to his character but cute when it's Moonkitti's "I lovewing Dovewing" moment smh, sorry about that). I loveblaze Lionblaze actually sounds so adorable and funny, I love it!
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 24, 2023 21:28:32 GMT -5
Lionblaze is definitely my favorite of the three. Forever mad at how his awesome potential was totally wasted.
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Post by vectoring34 on May 25, 2023 1:14:19 GMT -5
I love Lionblaze. To me, he is actually the most reasonable and level-headed of his siblings. It's funny but it's sort of true. For all the grief people give Lionblaze about having thoughts about killing Heathertail, Hollyleaf actively planning to murder Leafpool and only stopping because Leafpool convinced her it was a mercy to kill her is a far worse decision. Jayfeather I think is meaner in day to day life, but I don't think he ever got quite as violent as Lionblaze.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 25, 2023 2:37:49 GMT -5
I agree,he is very violent. He killed Russetfur,he took one of Harestar’s lives,he does kill Shredtail,which I don’t blame him for. But overall,he is very violent. not sure why people keep holding the russetfur thing against him. it was very obviously an accident, and likely because of her advanced age. he was trying to pull her off firestar because she was literally murdering him, and she died as he yanked her off. his pov shows that he was horrified when he realized she was dead. him killing her had nothing to do with him having an excessively violent personality. it was an accident. besides which, even if it wasnt, russetfur literally murdered firestar over a border dispute. lionblaze would be fully within his rights to protect his leader. The only thing I have qualms with on this is that from what I remembered, weren't ThunderClan literally invading ShadowClan territory? I don't think it was just as simple as a border dispute?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 25, 2023 2:43:09 GMT -5
Personally, I didn't like or cared for his character in POT, or OotS. In POT he was reckless, and unreasonably violent, while in POT he was an absolute hypocrite and somewhat manipulative when it came to Ivy and Dove (Jay is in that boat as well). He lacked a lot of character, in POT, and even though Holly's character was mad boring the majority of the time, she still blew his narrative out of the water with her breakdown in the last few books of that series. While in OotS, he had little to any agency except to butt heads with his half-brother. I don't like him until TBC tbh, where he actually gets a much better characterization and better reasoning and motives behind his actions, even if it's also proof he'd be a terrible leader. I actually liked his character way more than 1/3 of the main characters at the time and more than the other cats that were shoved into the spotlight for no reason as well.
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Post by cable on May 25, 2023 3:26:53 GMT -5
not sure why people keep holding the russetfur thing against him. it was very obviously an accident, and likely because of her advanced age. he was trying to pull her off firestar because she was literally murdering him, and she died as he yanked her off. his pov shows that he was horrified when he realized she was dead. him killing her had nothing to do with him having an excessively violent personality. it was an accident. besides which, even if it wasnt, russetfur literally murdered firestar over a border dispute. lionblaze would be fully within his rights to protect his leader. The only thing I have qualms with on this is that from what I remembered, weren't ThunderClan literally invading ShadowClan territory? I don't think it was just as simple as a border dispute? iirc, ivypaw passed on a fake omen from the dark forest to start a battle, so firestar believed he had to press for the territory? i cant quite recall the specifics. regardless, russetfur was killing firestar, so i personally believe whatever the reason for the fight, lionblaze did have valid reason to kill her if he believed he had to (and he didnt even actually try, he just wanted to pull her off). thunderclan was aggressing, but russetfur didnt need to go that far (though i wont hold it against her- she was very old and that likely affected her rational thinking. her killing firestar may have itself been an accident).
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 25, 2023 18:15:56 GMT -5
The only thing I have qualms with on this is that from what I remembered, weren't ThunderClan literally invading ShadowClan territory? I don't think it was just as simple as a border dispute? iirc, ivypaw passed on a fake omen from the dark forest to start a battle, so firestar believed he had to press for the territory? i cant quite recall the specifics. regardless, russetfur was killing firestar, so i personally believe whatever the reason for the fight, lionblaze did have valid reason to kill her if he believed he had to (and he didnt even actually try, he just wanted to pull her off). thunderclan was aggressing, but russetfur didnt need to go that far (though i wont hold it against her- she was very old and that likely affected her rational thinking. her killing firestar may have itself been an accident). this is correct. Ivypaw was still under the influence of the Dark Forest at the time and was told by them that ShadowClan was planning to invade their territory. Brokenstar (I think? Might have been Hawkfrost) told her that it was dire for ThunderClan to show strength, and that she needed to convince Firestar by any means necessary to strike first. Ivypaw came up with a fake dream to tell Firestar about, insinuating it was an omen sent by StarClan. IIRC the fake dream was ShadowClan taking over their territory.
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Post by Hollyfall on May 25, 2023 18:53:42 GMT -5
I love Lionblaze. To me, he is actually the most reasonable and level-headed of his siblings. It's funny but it's sort of true. For all the grief people give Lionblaze about having thoughts about killing Heathertail, Hollyleaf actively planning to murder Leafpool and only stopping because Leafpool convinced her it was a mercy to kill her is a far worse decision. Jayfeather I think is meaner in day to day life, but I don't think he ever got quite as violent as Lionblaze. Makes me realize that all three seem to have inherited their temper from Crowfeather. Jayfeather's much more verbal when on the short end of his patience, Hollyleaf is impulsive and disregards everything else so it's essentially tunnel vision, while Lionblaze tends to have intrusive thoughts and says things without realizing their weight. Probably a coincidence but interesting nonetheless imo.
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