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Post by Wolfyy- on May 8, 2023 17:56:28 GMT -5
Personally, I think Tigerstar. He's been such a prominent figure in the series and was the first character we encountered in the Dark Forest. The only other character who comes close is Brokenstar. But I had to go with ya boi Tiger the 1st.
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on May 8, 2023 17:58:48 GMT -5
Definitely Darkstripe.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 18:49:01 GMT -5
Tigerstar.
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Post by Hollyfall on May 8, 2023 19:28:55 GMT -5
Didn’t Vicky comment that it was Brokenstar since he was the effectual leader of the Dark Forest? Tigerstar’s beef was with Firestar primarily.
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Post by vectoring34 on May 8, 2023 22:18:04 GMT -5
Didn’t Vicky comment that it was Brokenstar since he was the effectual leader of the Dark Forest? Tigerstar’s beef was with Firestar primarily. That is correct, and Brokenstar is the main one calling the shots and is referred to as the Dark Forest leader a few times. However, I think the argument can be made that while Brokenstar was the de facto leader, Tigerstar was manipulating him to make things so he could have a 1v1 with Firestar. In that case it comes down to how one defines mastermind. Is it Brokenstar, for actually organizing all the patrols and cats? Or Tigerstar for influencing Brokenstar to do all that so he can have his private revenge?
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Post by Jaysnow on May 8, 2023 22:34:17 GMT -5
I've always thought it was Tigerstar, who's primary motive was getting revenge on Firestar (and ThunderClan).
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Post by Mistybreeze on May 8, 2023 23:18:42 GMT -5
Definitely Brokenstar. His whole schtick when he was alive was conquering the forest. Tigerstar likely started off the same, but his ego got in the way. He went from world domination to petty revenge.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 8, 2023 23:30:08 GMT -5
Technically, that would be Mapleshade, but in terms of actual direct involvement, definitely Brokenstar.
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Post by ! (Ġray) ! on May 9, 2023 5:24:12 GMT -5
Tigerstar, 100%
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on May 9, 2023 8:03:19 GMT -5
For this battle? Tigerstar and Brokenstar
Special points to Mapleshade, though! If it wasn't for her manipulation, we wouldn't have all of these villains, at least not most of them being as evil as they are.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on May 9, 2023 8:59:37 GMT -5
We wouldn't even have some of the (newer) Dark Forest cats if it hadn't been for Mapleshade's involvment of prior manipulation long before the events of OotS, so that technically does make her the ultimate mastermind behind it all, at least in terms of her previous influence on Tigerstar.
But Brokenstar was the so called "face" of the whole cause while Tigerstar (not so) subtly used him to finally get his revenge on Firestar (and the other Clans, mainly ThunderClan of course).
Voted for Tigerstar though because I'm biased in his favor as well as him being iconic (and because I just can).
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Post by Fireleap on May 9, 2023 12:54:54 GMT -5
Tie between Mapleshade, Brokenstar, and Tigerstar.
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Post by Moonblazer on May 9, 2023 13:53:47 GMT -5
I honestly am gonna go for Brokenstar here, mostly because this is a cat that was basically evil itself incarnated into a cat form, from birth to his death, he was wired and coded to be evil, to be a punishment for Yellowfang, and while the same could be argued for Tigerstar, I feel like Tigerstar's ambitions were pretty linear until we reached Tigerclan, and his main beef was with Firestar, where as Brokenstar is just evil for evil's sake, and wanted complete domination over all others from the get go.
I also just kind of love the idea that Brokenstar is a like a living representation of the Dark Forest itself, and the idea that he could be de facto leader of the place even if he isn't the biggest or strongest, simply because he's just the breathing representation of raw evil. You kind of have to be pretty high up on the cat hell food chain when your main victims are kits and you enlist child soldiers after stealing them from their nests.
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