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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 15, 2023 21:06:11 GMT -5
it happens! i've had multi-year streaks of no writing but still came back to it eventually, so don't lose hope
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Sept 16, 2023 5:51:49 GMT -5
Yeah ): When I was in college, I didn’t get to write at all. And that was a big change from when I wrote in high school EVERY DAY. I want to try to write more, but life is just taking its toll. And while I know I will always go back to it and write for the rest of my life, it makes me immensely sad that I cannot find the time/energy right now to devote to something that I love and am passionate about and want to do for the rest of my life ): At the moment I spend more time thinking about it instead of actually doing it ):
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Post by *Ɗαɾƙρσσℓ* on Sept 17, 2023 1:01:03 GMT -5
grappling with what point an unlikeable character becomes too unlikeable/when does morally grey become too dark to tolerate in a protagonist.
this might be less of an issue if i wanted this WIP to be grimdark, I've seen people ignore/forgive really atrocious things with grimdark protags, but that's not what I'm going for D: I can only speak for myself, but for me personally, I think the character needs to have at least one strong redeeming quality (loyalty, trusting, determination, etc) and a reason to root for them (e.g. if we’ve seen them in a better previously and know they’re capable of it, or if they’re seeking justice for a horrendous legitimate wrong) I think this is pretty close to my own rationale when approaching these kinds of characters, but occasionally some of the specifics concern me I guess. There have been characters who fit these qualities who I nevertheless can't deal with because of something specific they did, and while that's definitely part of individual reader taste and you'll come up against that no matter what you write, some things are inherently more controversial and I'm probably dealing with some of them lol
guess i'm working through whether those actions are worth keeping in the story bc of the characterization and gravity they add, or if they end up taking away from the story by making the mcs too difficult to root for. it's an odd balance.
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Sept 18, 2023 11:39:07 GMT -5
One of my main “bad guys” is someone who you’d probably dislike in the beginning but then throughout the story you learn more about her & why she is the way she is. And it doesn’t make what she did right (and it might not make you like her any more) but it does make her more human and relatable (not in being bad but in making mistakes that take you somewhere you might have never imagined going). You kind of almost root for their past selves and it makes you feel for the people they could have been had their situations been different. I think if you can create a “bad guy” that isn’t just “evil” for no reason, that’s what you wanna do. If they’re just the bad guy cuz they can be, it doesn’t really do much at all. But if they’re the bad guy bc of x,y,z and then you get to see how they got there somehow… I think that’s how you get people to sympathize or at least have some feelings towards the character that aren’t just negative… but more complicated than that.
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Aroace
🎃ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ👻
does the candy hunting remind anyone else of cookie clicker? no… just me? okay.
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Post by 🎃ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ👻 on Sept 18, 2023 11:45:16 GMT -5
One of my main “bad guys” is someone who you’d probably dislike in the beginning but then throughout the story you learn more about her & why she is the way she is. And it doesn’t make what she did right (and it might not make you like her any more) but it does make her more human and relatable (not in being bad but in making mistakes that take you somewhere you might have never imagined going). You kind of almost root for their past selves and it makes you feel for the people they could have been had their situations been different. I think if you can create a “bad guy” that isn’t just “evil” for no reason, that’s what you wanna do. If they’re just the bad guy cuz they can be, it doesn’t really do much at all. But if they’re the bad guy bc of x,y,z and then you get to see how they got there somehow… I think that’s how you get people to sympathize or at least have some feelings towards the character that aren’t just negative… but more complicated than that. My antagonist is like that too. His backstory makes the heroes go “oh shoot, we were the ones who did stuff bad to them first”
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 19, 2023 20:43:37 GMT -5
love villains who are unequivocally evil and yet you're given a realistic reason why they might have ended up that way, even if its unexcusable
like yes i can understand how having your wife eaten alive might make a man snap and want to burn down the world! doesnt change the fact that youve now killed 784 wives of other people
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Post by *Ɗαɾƙρσσℓ* on Sept 19, 2023 22:22:06 GMT -5
I think I enjoy villains who maybe don't fit the bill of traditional villains? Who are more antagonists just because their goals are in direct competition with the protagonist's goals, not necessarily bc the goals themselves are bad. Not to say they can't be morally darker than the protagonists, they often are, but I love exploring clashing desires and the lengths people are willing to go to to secure them. A lot of my villains/antags tend to operate that way lol
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 19, 2023 23:12:13 GMT -5
My favorite villains are the "morally gray, well-intentioned extremists" kind, but sometimes I enjoy a "evil for the sake of it" too if they're fun enough. That said, I've only recently realized that I have at least two villains from two different stories who wish to bring their loved one back from the dead.
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Post by ! (Ġray) ! on Sept 20, 2023 3:27:07 GMT -5
Writing miraculous fanfic on my phone because I’m on the sunny and didn’t bring my laptop
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Aroace
🎃ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ👻
does the candy hunting remind anyone else of cookie clicker? no… just me? okay.
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Post by 🎃ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ👻 on Sept 20, 2023 6:03:31 GMT -5
Writing miraculous fanfic on my phone because I’m on the sunny and didn’t bring my laptop Writing fan fanfic on ur phone is such a vibe (I’ve done it far too many times with my broken laptop)
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 20, 2023 8:26:56 GMT -5
I like the good old “well meaning, sympathetic” villain as much as the next girl, but lately ive been feeling like we’ve been getting too many of those in media and not enough pathetic and unapologetically evil dudes.
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Post by *Ɗαɾƙρσσℓ* on Sept 20, 2023 10:51:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't say my villains are well-meaning or even particularly sympathetic.
But then half the time neither are my protagonists. At least not in this WIP lol
but even if it's not my personal writing ballpark atm I do kinda miss more standard villains, like a lot of disneys more recent movies bug me because they barely have a villain and it's like. where is the drama. where is the unapologetic Bad.
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Sept 20, 2023 17:34:13 GMT -5
Kind of reminds me of the classic Magneto vs. Xavier bc Magneto is seen as the villain and is sort of pushed into that villain mold, but when you look at it, it’s really just two sides to the same issue. While Xavier is viewed as the hero, Magneto is viewed as the villain and this further pushes him into this villain persona. I love this type of villain because they were both good, but nature vs. nurture kind of pushes them into categories that’s kind of out of their hands. Even if Magneto could prove that he was good, no one wants to believe him bc he’s the “bad guy” and that once more pushes him further down ):
sorry for my marvel rant, haha. I love magneto (and Xavier) xD
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Post by *Ɗαɾƙρσσℓ* on Sept 20, 2023 22:47:53 GMT -5
I think Magneto's a pretty good example of the sympathetic villain with good motives who goes too far in his methods and becomes what he was originally trying to destroy. He's an interesting character, always one of my favorites in X-men.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2023 12:41:24 GMT -5
I LOVED it! I love monsters, magic, and other things and you took this and shoved it into a show I enjoy! I look forward to reading more if you ever do write some! (I left a kudos!)
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Post by Brownie on Sept 21, 2023 13:31:09 GMT -5
babes I'm making another conlang ;-; This one has Grammar (I hate it)
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 21, 2023 13:46:07 GMT -5
babes I'm making another conlang ;-; This one has Grammar (I hate it) you dont realize how many different kinds of pronouns are in a language until you’re forced to create them 😔
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Post by Brownie on Sept 21, 2023 14:02:24 GMT -5
babes I'm making another conlang ;-; This one has Grammar (I hate it) you dont realize how many different kinds of pronouns are in a language until you’re forced to create them 😔 HAH I have no pronouns in this lang xp explicitly none because I Did Not Want To I decided to keep DOP/IOP from the directional suffix + object affix (which makes really cool particles!!) but that is IT (also it's not meant to be a natlang or anything it's only a proof of concept for a geographically oriented language)
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 21, 2023 14:20:39 GMT -5
you dont realize how many different kinds of pronouns are in a language until you’re forced to create them 😔 HAH I have no pronouns in this lang xp explicitly none because I Did Not Want To I decided to keep DOP/IOP from the directional suffix + object affix (which makes really cool particles!!) but that is IT (also it's not meant to be a natlang or anything it's only a proof of concept for a geographically oriented language) I do not understand these words 😭 can you put that in layman’s terms
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Post by Brownie on Sept 21, 2023 15:06:08 GMT -5
HAH I have no pronouns in this lang xp explicitly none because I Did Not Want To I decided to keep DOP/IOP from the directional suffix + object affix (which makes really cool particles!!) but that is IT (also it's not meant to be a natlang or anything it's only a proof of concept for a geographically oriented language) I do not understand these words 😭 can you put that in layman’s terms so dop = direct object pronoun aka a replacement for object (the thing being acted upon) and iop = indirect object pronoun aka replacement for subject (the thing doing the acting/verbing) ironically I have LOTS of pronouns, (like technically like, 30?)..... which kinda..... okay ig I have pronouns but the point of the language test is that all nouns have a suffix that tells you relative distance and direction from the speaker + some details about possession, mood, or tense. The "pronouns" are just that suffix to make it shorter.
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#f0a9e4
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Sept 21, 2023 18:28:23 GMT -5
kudos for y'all doing conlangs and such. too much work XDD maybe one day, haha. like, i've created words and stuff that don't exist, but not a whole language. sounds fun, but~~~ not now XD
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#f0a9e4
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Sept 21, 2023 18:32:23 GMT -5
🎃ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ👻 HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope it's awesome!
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#f0a9e4
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Sept 21, 2023 18:40:12 GMT -5
You're welcome Oh, that's so awesome! I'm so happy for you! What kind of dog is it? You must be so excited!
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#f0a9e4
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Sept 21, 2023 20:09:47 GMT -5
Can't wait to see them I love dogs<3 I have two shih-tzus and two maltipoms!
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 21, 2023 21:35:12 GMT -5
I do not understand these words 😭 can you put that in layman’s terms so dop = direct object pronoun aka a replacement for object (the thing being acted upon) and iop = indirect object pronoun aka replacement for subject (the thing doing the acting/verbing) ironically I have LOTS of pronouns, (like technically like, 30?)..... which kinda..... okay ig I have pronouns but the point of the language test is that all nouns have a suffix that tells you relative distance and direction from the speaker + some details about possession, mood, or tense. The "pronouns" are just that suffix to make it shorter. OH okay! i'm used to using declining systems so i usually use case terminology for them, e.g. first person masculine accusative or something along those lines. if the implication of a pronoun is expressed through a suffix, how do you distinguish between something like a possessive vs personal pronoun? 🤔 or like a demonstrative vs interrogative?
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Post by Brownie on Sept 21, 2023 22:42:35 GMT -5
so dop = direct object pronoun aka a replacement for object (the thing being acted upon) and iop = indirect object pronoun aka replacement for subject (the thing doing the acting/verbing) ironically I have LOTS of pronouns, (like technically like, 30?)..... which kinda..... okay ig I have pronouns but the point of the language test is that all nouns have a suffix that tells you relative distance and direction from the speaker + some details about possession, mood, or tense. The "pronouns" are just that suffix to make it shorter. OH okay! i'm used to using declining systems so i usually use case terminology for them, e.g. first person masculine accusative or something along those lines. if the implication of a pronoun is expressed through a suffix, how do you distinguish between something like a possessive vs personal pronoun? 🤔 or like a demonstrative vs interrogative? oooo makes sense. yeah my "persons" are marked independently and there are no genders and number is really just a suggestion. I just have this horrible case matrix of directionality instead which is not much better but is more fun. the answer: you do NOT want to see this matrix x.x It's... all there it's just A Lot. I didn't want to do any agreement on verbs so everything is saddled onto the nouns. Again, not meant to really be a conversational language, just proof of concept for funzies E- For context too, there end up being a total of 52 suffixes: four groups of seven, doubled because each has a "plural" form (except for the "null" so -4)("plural" in quotes because the plural form doesn't always mean the noun is plural, depending on the object marker) and there's also two alternate plural forms when dealing with large or unknown quantities. Oh and some of those suffixes are possessives including "this is mine and I'm holding it" "this is mine and I can see it" "this is mine and I can't see it" and "this is mine but it can't be seen" which spans my four groups. and then for each of THOSE there are five "accusatives" idk they're markers that show if the noun is the speaker, the listener, the subject, the object, or none of the above. Which covers my bases on a lot of weird grammatical stuff because word order is fluid OSV/SOV I.... really really need to get on making a hierarchy of which noun gets what suffix when neither is the speaker
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 6:17:55 GMT -5
Conlangs and puppies...someone should combine those and make a dog-themed conlang.
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