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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 17, 2023 13:00:13 GMT -5
1) i dont want more ivypool POV 2) we deserve to see more of fernsong 3) we deserve to see another good, caring, involved father in this series, and fernsong would be that POV we long to see 4) if u want more ivypool, then fernsong POV would give u that. win win for all of us. 5) post-bristlefrost death. fernsong's POV on everything, plus i want to see him talk to ivypool about their grief. 6) I want to see fernsong and ivypool talk to their other kits and actually be shown as a family bc that is weirdly rare these days? why dont we see more adult children interacting with their parents as an actual family unit...? its weird. pls give us this dynamic to fix this. 7) i may not like fern x ivy, but fernsong is a good boy and he is supposed to be a good dad, so pls just show us this. i want him to talk to each of his remaining kits and actually show what a good father looks like (*glares at graystripe in contempt*) 8) i want fernsong to interact with his parents for support during this post-bristle death era. 9) if they have to include flashbacks, maybe portray fernsong as more active in his romance with ivypool to solidify the fandoms perception of them being a healthy, normal couple
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Post by Jaysnow on Mar 17, 2023 13:03:49 GMT -5
Fernsong novella would be interesting but I'd personally like to see Ivypool get her own book: SE, novella, or even graphic novel.
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Post by valleylight on Mar 17, 2023 14:15:32 GMT -5
I’d honestly be happy with either cat’s perspective, but I could definitely see Fernsong’s POV having advantages in terms of new and unique content. We’d still get quite a bit of Ivypool’s perspective on things, but there’d be less retreading familiar territory since she wouldn’t be the main focus. (No need to rehash Dark Forest training or focus everything on Dovewing and Tigerstar.)
I’d love to see more of Fernsong as a great dad, and his perspective on his family overall. I’m curious how he dealt with Snaptooth and Flywhisker becoming kittypets, how he might’ve supported Spotfur, Lionblaze, and Cinderheart through that. I imagine he might be a favorite uncle to Spotfur’s kits, and help kitsit for her. I would love to see Fernsong mentor one of them, since he hasn’t had an apprentice yet. Him mentoring Bristlekit would be so sad and sweet at the same time.
I think it’d be really sweet to see Fernsong and Ivypool encourage one another after ALiTM, and maybe we’d get more development for Thriftear and Flipclaw, too. And if Ivypool is lined up to become ThunderClan’s next deputy/leader, it would be unique to see her rise to power from Fernsong’s perspective. I don’t think we’ve seen that kind of dynamic before, with a POV character being the mate of a rising deputy/leader.
But a third option might be for Ivypool and Fernsong to more or less share a graphic novel, like Brightheart and Cloudtail are somewhat doing in A Thief in ThunderClan, and Millie and Graystripe sort of did. It could focus more on Fernsong or Ivypool, but we could still get lots of both their perspectives with the graphic novel format.
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 17, 2023 15:23:16 GMT -5
this is Graystripe slander and I will not stand for it
Jokes aside, a Fernsong novella would be interesting. This is kind of a pipe dream, but perhaps Fernsong and Ivypool talk to Tigerstar and Dovewing about losing a child since they can relate to it now. Fernsong can the point-of-view but seeing him and Ivypool work through their grief would be nice to see.
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on Mar 17, 2023 18:20:55 GMT -5
Hear me out. A Fernsong book that flashes back and forth between when he was in the nursery with the kits and post-Bristlefrost’s death.
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Post by vectoring34 on Mar 17, 2023 20:30:06 GMT -5
Fernsong has the best PR ever. Guy says he'll take care of kits in one book and barely has any on-screen interactions with them afterwards, then he gets lauded for it.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 17, 2023 23:08:43 GMT -5
this is Graystripe slander and I will not stand for it Jokes aside, a Fernsong novella would be interesting. This is kind of a pipe dream, but perhaps Fernsong and Ivypool talk to Tigerstar and Dovewing about losing a child since they can relate to it now. Fernsong can the point-of-view but seeing him and Ivypool work through their grief would be nice to see. i will bully graystripe forever fern x ivy and dove x tiger bonding sounds really nice. they r all mature adults now and they've been through it.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Mar 18, 2023 0:10:05 GMT -5
i feel like fernsong always did the bare minimum but i guess if you compare him to other fathers in the series he's far, FAR better. (looking at you crowfeather!) but i do agree, a fernsong pov would be interesting. give the guy some personality
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Mar 18, 2023 0:11:55 GMT -5
Fernsong has the best PR ever. Guy says he'll take care of kits in one book and barely has any on-screen interactions with them afterwards, then he gets lauded for it. i agree with this so much. we need more good dad fernsong stuff. this fandom is so strange when it comes to parents bc they'll praise cats like fernsong or shellheart for doing the bare minimum and then they'll throw pitchforks at brightflower like what are yall doing
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Post by ᴋᴀᴛɴɪꜱꜱ on Mar 18, 2023 16:18:46 GMT -5
I agree with this. I’m starting to view Ivypool as a lot of us here view Squirrelflight. While I would rather there not be any novella surrounding Ivypool, I would much prefer everything being addressed through Fernsong’s PoV or to a lesser extent Flipclaw depending on what exactly the novella would be centered around.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2023 13:41:14 GMT -5
I agree.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Mar 20, 2023 4:20:42 GMT -5
In all seriousness though, my own wish of an Ivypool novella (or hopefully a full on SE or GN instead), are mostly based on my hope for her to become leader/deputy and succeed BrambleSquirrel, these days. Bonus points if that book includes lots of FernIvy scenes but doesn't have to be the main focus of her (and his) story. For example, if there is indeed ever a Fernsong novella, I would like to see a flashback of his time as a nursery dad but also give him a storyline of his own. If it's after TBC, FernIvy would be grieving over the loss of their daughter Bristlefrost, obviously. But there's also yet another plot Fernsong could have. Which is checking on his younger siblings, Flywhisker and Snaptooth, who became kittypets during TBC. Just an idea though.
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Post by cable on Mar 20, 2023 12:28:43 GMT -5
Fernsong has the best PR ever. Guy says he'll take care of kits in one book and barely has any on-screen interactions with them afterwards, then he gets lauded for it. i agree with this so much. we need more good dad fernsong stuff. this fandom is so strange when it comes to parents bc they'll praise cats like fernsong or shellheart for doing the bare minimum and then they'll throw pitchforks at brightflower like what are yall doing to be fair, we definitely see more of shellheart being a good dad than fernsong. when crookedkit overhears him fighting with rainflower and worries that hes ruined their relationship, he assures crookedkit that he did nothing wrong and rainflower is the one hes angry with, he actively defends crookedpaw from rainflowers snide remarks and basically tells her to shove it, and he tells crookedjaw how proud he is of him. besides this, the general impression given by crookedstar is that shellheart has always been supportive of him. not an overwhelming amount of appearances, but certainly more than one comment from fernsong. i absolutely agree with brightflower though. she was delirious with grief and pointed at a target. its normal shes going to lose her temper, even if it is traumatizing to yellowfang. its not okay, but its understandable.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Mar 21, 2023 1:32:45 GMT -5
i agree with this so much. we need more good dad fernsong stuff. this fandom is so strange when it comes to parents bc they'll praise cats like fernsong or shellheart for doing the bare minimum and then they'll throw pitchforks at brightflower like what are yall doing to be fair, we definitely see more of shellheart being a good dad than fernsong. when crookedkit overhears him fighting with rainflower and worries that hes ruined their relationship, he assures crookedkit that he did nothing wrong and rainflower is the one hes angry with, he actively defends crookedpaw from rainflowers snide remarks and basically tells her to shove it, and he tells crookedjaw how proud he is of him. besides this, the general impression given by crookedstar is that shellheart has always been supportive of him. not an overwhelming amount of appearances, but certainly more than one comment from fernsong. i absolutely agree with brightflower though. she was delirious with grief and pointed at a target. its normal shes going to lose her temper, even if it is traumatizing to yellowfang. its not okay, but its understandable. yellowfang was the one that found Brightflower's dead kits right??? and if her leader, someone shes supposed to trust and depend on, is pointing fingers at her, honestly I'd be suspicious too. Other than that I agree with you
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 21, 2023 9:21:03 GMT -5
I don’t particularly care about Fersong, but I agree that a novella from his perspective has the potential to be a lot more interesting than another Ivypool perspective.
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Post by halogen on Mar 21, 2023 14:39:36 GMT -5
i agree with this so much. we need more good dad fernsong stuff. this fandom is so strange when it comes to parents bc they'll praise cats like fernsong or shellheart for doing the bare minimum and then they'll throw pitchforks at brightflower like what are yall doing to be fair, we definitely see more of shellheart being a good dad than fernsong. when crookedkit overhears him fighting with rainflower and worries that hes ruined their relationship, he assures crookedkit that he did nothing wrong and rainflower is the one hes angry with, he actively defends crookedpaw from rainflowers snide remarks and basically tells her to shove it, and he tells crookedjaw how proud he is of him. besides this, the general impression given by crookedstar is that shellheart has always been supportive of him. not an overwhelming amount of appearances, but certainly more than one comment from fernsong. i absolutely agree with brightflower though. she was delirious with grief and pointed at a target. its normal shes going to lose her temper, even if it is traumatizing to yellowfang. its not okay, but its understandable. I think it means a lot that he was willing to cut off someone he once loved to take a stand against how she was treating their kit. In real life there was a friend of my aunt and uncle who had children, and his wife treated one of the children horribly while being fine to the others similar to the Rainflower situation. Said friend waited way too long to divorce her even though he felt how she acted was wrong and the child is clearly traumatized by this and somewhat resents him for not doing something sooner, so it's nice to see a fictional cat handling this sort of situation better.
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