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Post by wickedbroccoli on Jan 25, 2023 14:17:57 GMT -5
Like the title states, this theory is highly unlikely and something that would never happen, but I'd still like to share the thought.
- SPOILERS FOR SKY AHEAD -
For those who have read Sky we all know about Nightheart leaving ThunderClan to be with Sunbeam in ShadowClan. We also know that Tigerheartstar has essentially invaded RiverClan and has taken the role of watching over the struggling Clan; Sunbeam was part of this patrol that went into RiverClan's camp. Now I'm assuming Tigerheartstar is going to keep a certain amount of his warriors in the RiverClan camp for the time being, and if we're supposed to be getting a protagonist team up then Sunbeam is most likely going to be one of the permanently stationed ShadowClan cats there. This leads into Nightheart potentially staying with RiverClan at some point. We also know from the Shadow blurb that Nightheart isn't entirely accepted by ShadowClan. This may lead him to feeling unwanted and thus he decides to stay on the RiverClan side of things, perhaps even eventually joining RiverClan. We also know that StarClan has told Frostpaw a few times over that the next RiverClan leader is somebody unexpected, that she needs to look beyond the obvious choices. If Frostpaw is indeed meant to be a medicine cat (and while I hope this is true considering she'd be one of the few medicine cat POVs that actually want to be a medicine cat, I also do not mind her in the leadership position) then that means there's another cat out there meant to be RiverClan leader. This leads me to an idea: Nightheart as RiverClan's rightful leader. I know, I know, it's stupid, incredibly unlikely, but who would be the most unlikely choice of leader than a cat from another Clan who's young and has yet to have an apprentice? And how many times has Nightheart been compared to Firestar? A cat from the outside who somehow became leader? We've also had a reference to ShadowClan's Nightstar in River. I'm doubtful that means anything, but who knows at this point? Thoughts, theories, comments? I'd love to hear 'em!
Anyway, that's that, just another thought by yours truly!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2023 16:50:10 GMT -5
This doesn't sound stupid to me at all. While I really want Frostpaw to end up as leader, I actually really, really like this theory and could see it happening. Wouldn't be disappointed if it did.
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Post by 🌌dapple🌙 (formerly freckle) on Jan 25, 2023 19:55:39 GMT -5
Like the title states, this theory is highly unlikely and something that would never happen, but I'd still like to share the thought. - SPOILERS FOR SKY AHEAD - For those who have read Sky we all know about Nightheart leaving ThunderClan to be with Sunbeam in ShadowClan. We also know that Tigerheartstar has essentially invaded RiverClan and has taken the role of watching over the struggling Clan; Sunbeam was part of this patrol that went into RiverClan's camp. Now I'm assuming Tigerheartstar is going to keep a certain amount of his warriors in the RiverClan camp for the time being, and if we're supposed to be getting a protagonist team up then Sunbeam is most likely going to be one of the permanently stationed ShadowClan cats there. This leads into Nightheart potentially staying with RiverClan at some point. We also know from the Shadow blurb that Nightheart isn't entirely accepted by ShadowClan. This may lead him to feeling unwanted and thus he decides to stay on the RiverClan side of things, perhaps even eventually joining RiverClan. We also know that StarClan has told Frostpaw a few times over that the next RiverClan leader is somebody unexpected, that she needs to look beyond the obvious choices. If Frostpaw is indeed meant to be a medicine cat (and while I hope this is true considering she'd be one of the few medicine cat POVs that actually want to be a medicine cat, I also do not mind her in the leadership position) then that means there's another cat out there meant to be RiverClan leader. This leads me to an idea: Nightheart as RiverClan's rightful leader. I know, I know, it's stupid, incredibly unlikely, but who would be the most unlikely choice of leader than a cat from another Clan who's young and has yet to have an apprentice? And how many times has Nightheart been compared to Firestar? A cat from the outside who somehow became leader? We've also had a reference to ShadowClan's Nightstar in River. I'm doubtful that means anything, but who knows at this point? Thoughts, theories, comments? I'd love to hear 'em! Anyway, that's that, just another thought by yours truly! Gosh this theory is more solid than most writing choices made in the series today and I'm only half joking when I say that. This is genuinely so cool, before I was interested in the possibility of Nightheart being RiverClan's leader. It'd subvert expectations but I couldn't see what would make it very fun so I mostly left it to rot. But this suddenly sparks so much potential. With so many burned bridges in ThunderClan I can easily see him not having an issue with being ThunderClan's rival. Imagine the drama in battles! Plus RiverClan is also far from ThunderClan- far from his old home. It really feels like if they're going for escaping a toxic environment, he's done it. Especially as RiverClan has a completely different culture with the den decorating and emphasis on aesthetics... (mentioned only a few times in passing sadly as there's been bigger issues) This absolutely makes sense!
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jan 25, 2023 22:34:36 GMT -5
i want nightheart and frostpaw to interact so much so him eventually going to riverclan instead would be awesome for me personally lol
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jan 25, 2023 23:14:30 GMT -5
I hate Nightheart and don't think he'd be a good leader, but this is just something I can see happening. They'd pull a strange and side eye-inducing twist like this.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 26, 2023 12:45:11 GMT -5
I still want Nightheart to eventually return to ThunderClan and hopefully reconcile with his family while I'm continuing to hope Frostpaw will be revealed as the rightful RiverClan leader by the end of this arc. So this theory is not really my cup of tea although it is certainy not a stupid theory and could even be in the realm of actually happening. No one (besides the writers/editors) really knows at this point.
Pretty sure I saw other fans joke about this maybe being the case as well somewhere else. Shortly after Sky came out. They also mentioned the possibility of Nightheart becoming the next ShadowClan leader besides the RiverClan leadership theory. Cannot remember where it got mentioned or who did so though.
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Post by wickedbroccoli on Jan 27, 2023 9:40:11 GMT -5
Oh wow, thanks everybody for the comments!
Nightheart is an interesting character for me personally. I do believe he needs a lot of character development, but before that can happen he needs an area in which he can thrive and that is stable. If he were to become RiverClan’s leader, or the leader of any Clan, he needs to set aside his bitterness toward his heritage and accept it while also accepting what he already knows in that he’s his own individual. I’m quite curious on where his character arc will take him if anything!
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Post by TawnystarIsReal on Jan 27, 2023 10:59:24 GMT -5
I never even thought about this and how you describe it, I can see it as a possibility. Hopefully the Erin’s pull something else because I think Nightheart is the least qualified + I don’t think anyone would be happy Firestar’s kin is leader of another Clan (Thornclaw calling out the leadership to Lionblaze in Graystripe’s Vow was perfect)
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Feb 4, 2023 15:47:52 GMT -5
I like it. Nightheart isn't likable as a person (as of Sky), but as a character this means he has so much potential to change and grow. Maybe being in a new environment can test him, give him challenges, and he can become a cat who is capable of being a good leader.
His whole deal is trying to NOT be in Firestar's shadow, but I picked up a few similarities between him and Firestar (stubbornness in trying to do what he thinks is right, for one thing, and being willing to challenge conventional clan thinking-- from his decision to move out of ThunderClan to wanting to nab the chicken during the catmint quest-- shameless when he's convinced it's right, plus they were both bogged down by self-doubt and the doubts of their clanmates). I find it hilarious that he sent himself on an "expose Tigerstar" mission, though that is probably coincidence. Still, maybe they're going to make him a leader to further cement the parallels, which then means he can establish his own legacy and identity of a leader all his own.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Feb 4, 2023 16:10:45 GMT -5
I like it. Nightheart isn't likable as a person (as of Sky), but as a character this means he has so much potential to change and grow. Maybe being in a new environment can test him, give him challenges, and he can become a cat who is capable of being a good leader. His whole deal is trying to NOT be in Firestar's shadow, but I picked up a few similarities between him and Firestar (stubbornness in trying to do what he thinks is right, for one thing, and being willing to challenge conventional clan thinking-- from his decision to move out of ThunderClan to wanting to nab the chicken during the catmint quest-- shameless when he's convinced it's right, plus they were both bogged down by self-doubt and the doubts of their clanmates). I find it hilarious that he sent himself on an "expose Tigerstar" mission, though that is probably coincidence. Still, maybe they're going to make him a leader to further cement the parallels, which then means he can establish his own legacy and identity of a leader all his own. Seeing as there was an entire article dedicated to Nightheart's burden with Firestar's legacy back in April of last year after River came out (which also included listing some similarities between the two), I'm certain this will continue to play a big part in his character arc through ASC. Although we'll have to wait and see to what extent. Here's the article link just in case: warriorcats.com/content/article/nightheart-and-the-burden-of-legacy
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Feb 4, 2023 16:20:49 GMT -5
I like it. Nightheart isn't likable as a person (as of Sky), but as a character this means he has so much potential to change and grow. Maybe being in a new environment can test him, give him challenges, and he can become a cat who is capable of being a good leader. His whole deal is trying to NOT be in Firestar's shadow, but I picked up a few similarities between him and Firestar (stubbornness in trying to do what he thinks is right, for one thing, and being willing to challenge conventional clan thinking-- from his decision to move out of ThunderClan to wanting to nab the chicken during the catmint quest-- shameless when he's convinced it's right, plus they were both bogged down by self-doubt and the doubts of their clanmates). I find it hilarious that he sent himself on an "expose Tigerstar" mission, though that is probably coincidence. Still, maybe they're going to make him a leader to further cement the parallels, which then means he can establish his own legacy and identity of a leader all his own. Seeing as there was an entire article dedicated to Nightheart's burden with Firestar's legacy back in April of last year after River came out (which also included listing some similarities between the two), I'm certain this will continue to play a big part in his character arc through ASC. Although we'll have to wait and see to what extent. Here's the article link just in case: warriorcats.com/content/article/nightheart-and-the-burden-of-legacyThanks for the link, I had no idea this article existed. But it's good to know my observations were in fact, as Author Intended. I'm more excited to read about his story now!
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Feb 4, 2023 16:42:45 GMT -5
Seeing as there was an entire article dedicated to Nightheart's burden with Firestar's legacy back in April of last year after River came out (which also included listing some similarities between the two), I'm certain this will continue to play a big part in his character arc through ASC. Although we'll have to wait and see to what extent. Here's the article link just in case: warriorcats.com/content/article/nightheart-and-the-burden-of-legacyThanks for the link, I had no idea this article existed. But it's good to know my observations were in fact, as Author Intended. I'm more excited to read about his story now! Sure thing. And yup, you're thoughts about Nightheart sure were/are in tune with what the team planned so far! I'm also continuing to be very excited (and hopeful) in terms of his further storyline in the ASC arc (and beyond, who knows). It's just rather unfortunate that a majority of the overall fandom has already mostly/moreso given up on him despite there only being two books out so far and still a lot of potential for his character arc to be explored and brought to a (hopefully) satisfying conclusion.
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Feb 5, 2023 16:24:14 GMT -5
Like the title states, this theory is highly unlikely and something that would never happen, but I'd still like to share the thought. - SPOILERS FOR SKY AHEAD - For those who have read Sky we all know about Nightheart leaving ThunderClan to be with Sunbeam in ShadowClan. We also know that Tigerheartstar has essentially invaded RiverClan and has taken the role of watching over the struggling Clan; Sunbeam was part of this patrol that went into RiverClan's camp. Now I'm assuming Tigerheartstar is going to keep a certain amount of his warriors in the RiverClan camp for the time being, and if we're supposed to be getting a protagonist team up then Sunbeam is most likely going to be one of the permanently stationed ShadowClan cats there. This leads into Nightheart potentially staying with RiverClan at some point. We also know from the Shadow blurb that Nightheart isn't entirely accepted by ShadowClan. This may lead him to feeling unwanted and thus he decides to stay on the RiverClan side of things, perhaps even eventually joining RiverClan. We also know that StarClan has told Frostpaw a few times over that the next RiverClan leader is somebody unexpected, that she needs to look beyond the obvious choices. If Frostpaw is indeed meant to be a medicine cat (and while I hope this is true considering she'd be one of the few medicine cat POVs that actually want to be a medicine cat, I also do not mind her in the leadership position) then that means there's another cat out there meant to be RiverClan leader. This leads me to an idea: Nightheart as RiverClan's rightful leader. I know, I know, it's stupid, incredibly unlikely, but who would be the most unlikely choice of leader than a cat from another Clan who's young and has yet to have an apprentice? And how many times has Nightheart been compared to Firestar? A cat from the outside who somehow became leader? We've also had a reference to ShadowClan's Nightstar in River. I'm doubtful that means anything, but who knows at this point? Thoughts, theories, comments? I'd love to hear 'em! Anyway, that's that, just another thought by yours truly! This is by far the nearest theory I've seen for this course of this arc, and I NORMALLY think most fan theories are ****ing stupid, wildly immature or unhinged fanfiction. I hope you're right.
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Feb 5, 2023 17:02:24 GMT -5
I never even thought about this and how you describe it, I can see it as a possibility. Hopefully the Erin’s pull something else because I think Nightheart is the least qualified + I don’t think anyone would be happy Firestar’s kin is leader of another Clan (Thornclaw calling out the leadership to Lionblaze in Graystripe’s Vow was perfect) What Thornclaw was calling out was nepotism. Not only would Nightheart have to actually earn his position in Riverclan despite a prophecy, he is the only Firestar descendant to actively resent and reject his legacy. If he gets this, it's not because of Firestar, and he'll actively flip the middle finger at any attempt to make it about that.
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Post by thehiddenicewolf on Feb 6, 2023 2:54:44 GMT -5
I really like this idea! It would be a twist you wouldn't expect, and also maybe him and Sunbeam do find out they're no good for each other and he prefers it in Riverclan and does something heroic to prove he should be leader.
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