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Post by flickerbeam on Jan 1, 2023 22:22:41 GMT -5
I have no clue who is the parents of sandstorm, maybe comment down certain cat who might be possibly be sandstorm’s parents. I dig up some research and I’m not sure about it.
For me I personally thought as runningwind as her father and her other parents might be from another clan or a rogue.
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Post by Katanaheart on Jan 2, 2023 0:03:40 GMT -5
Redtail has the closest fur color to her so I’d prefer him to be her father. Mother is likely some unknown warrior who died when she was a kit. (It wouldn’t make sense for her mother to be a kittypet/loner/rogue like some other TPB apprentices.)
I also like that Mousefur and Runningwind were single in the books and never showed much interest in mates. (I ignore Runningwind being randomly interested in Dappletail and fathering two kits that held little importance in the grand scheme of things.)
So to me, he was always just a single cat who’s life was cut short.
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Post by SquipyCheetah on Jan 2, 2023 0:22:09 GMT -5
Unless we get a better explanation, I'm sticking with Brindleface and Redtail (and maybe Runningwind)
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jan 2, 2023 2:16:46 GMT -5
Redtail and Runningwind. Always thought of it that way. Obviously not Brindleface and Redtail, cause that'd make it gross and weird.
(also why is everyone saying Redtail and Sandstorm's fur colours are really similar? sandstorm is like... pale brown-ginger, while redtail is just dark red??)
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jan 2, 2023 2:32:03 GMT -5
recent headcanon i have is rabbitleap (poppydawn's brother) and rosetail
another common one i see is redtail and rosetail
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Post by Katanaheart on Jan 2, 2023 2:53:43 GMT -5
Redtail and Runningwind. Always thought of it that way. Obviously not Brindleface and Redtail, cause that'd make it gross and weird. (also why is everyone saying Redtail and Sandstorm's fur colours are really similar? sandstorm is like... pale brown-ginger, while redtail is just dark red??) Of the remaining toms in ITW, he’s the closest to being her father. (Being a tortoiseshell with a distinctive ginger tail.) Every other Tom is either a shade of brown, black, gray, golden, or white. So, no ginger toms around but Redtail. Of the she-cats though, only one cat has Sandpaw’s near-exact description from ITW’s allegiances and she certainly can’t be Sandstorm’s mother, this being Goldenflower. (Dappletail would be another contender to be her mother if I didn’t feel as though she was already old and likely unable to be Sandstorm’s mother due to age.)
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 2, 2023 5:05:10 GMT -5
I sometimes headcanon her parents to be Lionheart and Frostfur but (trans ftm) Redtail and Runningwind is yet another (AU) possibility or Brindleface just acting as a surrogate giving birth to Sandstorm for RunningRed there. Although I do believe that her canon parents were listed to be Redtail and Brindleface at one point anyways though this information is no longer considered canon/was retconned some time ago.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jan 2, 2023 5:40:16 GMT -5
Redtail and Runningwind. Always thought of it that way. Obviously not Brindleface and Redtail, cause that'd make it gross and weird. (also why is everyone saying Redtail and Sandstorm's fur colours are really similar? sandstorm is like... pale brown-ginger, while redtail is just dark red??) Of the remaining toms in ITW, he’s the closest to being her father. (Being a tortoiseshell with a distinctive ginger tail.) Every other Tom is either a shade of brown, black, gray, golden, or white. So, no ginger toms around but Redtail. Of the she-cats though, only one cat has Sandpaw’s near-exact description from ITW’s allegiances and she certainly can’t be Sandstorm’s mother, this being Goldenflower. (Dappletail would be another contender to be her mother if I didn’t feel as though she was already old and likely unable to be Sandstorm’s mother due to age.) I was gonna say Dappletail and Runningwind being her parents would be neat because they already have kits, but Dappletail is just old.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jan 2, 2023 14:08:04 GMT -5
I know it's not well supported anymore, but I like the idea of Redtail being her father. I like Brindleface as her mother, but I'm also partial to Rosetail too.
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Post by Jaysnow on Jan 2, 2023 14:09:04 GMT -5
I know it's not well supported anymore, but I like the idea of Redtail being her father. I like Brindleface as her mother, but I'm also partial to Rosetail too. My hc is also Redtail/Rosetail
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Post by cygna on Jan 2, 2023 15:39:49 GMT -5
If Redtail's novella is anything to go by... he isn't anyone's father. He struck me as a guy way to ambitious and hardworking to show interest in she-cats.
And Brindleface being her mum is yikes! Ashfur lusting after his own niece is really messed up, even by warriors standards.
That being said, it's Ashfur, who's already the most effed up villain in the series motive wise, so if anybody's going to be into the whole incest ordeal, I'm fine that it's him. Besides, Brindleface deserves more descendants after how dirty Ferncloud's lineage was done.
I think her father should be Runningwind. He's background enough that it works, and he's also mentioned to be bad with kids so him not taking interest in his child would make sense.
I used to headcanon Dappletail as her mom because I guess I'm just very fond of Dappletail and I think Sandstorm bears some resemblance to her brother Thrushpelt and mother Rainfur.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 2, 2023 15:44:34 GMT -5
If Redtail's novella is anything to go by... he isn't anyone's father. He struck me as a guy way to ambitious and hardworking to show interest in she-cats. And Brindleface being her mum is yikes! Ashfur lusting after his own niece is really messed up, even by warriors standards.
That being said, it's Ashfur, who's already the most effed up villain in the series motive wise, so if anybody's going to be into the whole incest ordeal, I'm fine that it's him. Besides, Brindleface deserves more descendants after how dirty Ferncloud's lineage was done. I think her father should be Runningwind. He's background enough that it works, and he's also mentioned to be bad with kids so him not taking interest in his child would make sense. DustFern are canonically uncle and niece (Dustpelt is Brindleface's younger brother). This information has never been retconned and is thus still canon (and well known in the fandom). So this argument of "ew incest" (which is completely valid, of course) still would not stop the writing/editing team to make Ashfur canonically be Squirrelflight's uncle if they ever happen to re-confirm Brindleface as Sandstorm's mother (hopefully not though). Just saying. But currently, Sandstorm does not have any canon parents listed right now and I'm not sure if she ever will. Except if they somehow decide to give some of the cats in the upcoming new Ultimate Guide coming out this year profiles including the info of who their parents are and Sandstorm is among those characters or they update the family tree to include her parentage (and maybe who the fathers of Darkstripe and Graystripe are too while they are at it).
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Post by cygna on Jan 2, 2023 15:55:00 GMT -5
If Redtail's novella is anything to go by... he isn't anyone's father. He struck me as a guy way to ambitious and hardworking to show interest in she-cats. And Brindleface being her mum is yikes! Ashfur lusting after his own niece is really messed up, even by warriors standards.
That being said, it's Ashfur, who's already the most effed up villain in the series motive wise, so if anybody's going to be into the whole incest ordeal, I'm fine that it's him. Besides, Brindleface deserves more descendants after how dirty Ferncloud's lineage was done. I think her father should be Runningwind. He's background enough that it works, and he's also mentioned to be bad with kids so him not taking interest in his child would make sense. DustFern are canonically uncle and niece (Dustpelt is Brindleface's younger brother). This information has never been retconned and is thus still canon (and well known in the fandom). So this argument of "ew incest" (which is completely valid, of course) still would not stop the writing/editing team to make Ashfur canonically be Squirrelflight's uncle if they ever happen to re-confirm Brindleface as Sandstorm's mother (hopefully not though). Just saying. Unfortunately, I'm aware of DustFern. I'm still hoping they retcon it though since it's never explicitly stated Dustpelt is related to Brindleface. And yeah, I know the Erins don't care about incest but I still think the Uncle/Niece or Aunt/Nephew thing is incest at it's worst and disturbs more than the various Cousin/Cousin relationships. I'm glad Flip/Fly didn't became canon at the very least.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 2, 2023 16:08:57 GMT -5
DustFern are canonically uncle and niece (Dustpelt is Brindleface's younger brother). This information has never been retconned and is thus still canon (and well known in the fandom). So this argument of "ew incest" (which is completely valid, of course) still would not stop the writing/editing team to make Ashfur canonically be Squirrelflight's uncle if they ever happen to re-confirm Brindleface as Sandstorm's mother (hopefully not though). Just saying. Unfortunately, I'm aware of DustFern. I'm still hoping they retcon it though since it's never explicitly stated Dustpelt is related to Brindleface. And yeah, I know the Erins don't care about incest but I still think the Uncle/Niece or Aunt/Nephew thing is incest at it's worst and disturbs more than the various Cousin/Cousin relationships. I'm glad Flip/Fly didn't became canon at the very least. Really hoping that too but I doubt they will take it back now. I'm convinced the writing team is not willfully making incestuous relationships canon though. It's because the canon family tree is just such a straight up mess already anyways and no one can keep up with who is related to each other anymore. One can only hope that the Flip/Fly rejection was a hint at them being aware that these two characters are aunt and nephew and they will be more careful with future pairings but I somehow doubt it. Would not be surprised if there is a couple being made canon in ThunderClan during ASC and it also turns out those two are closely related (or "just" related). Seeing as modern ThunderClan is especially tricky in this regard due to how many are descendants of certain cats (Firekin and Frostkin in particular).
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Post by seantheskyhunter on Jan 4, 2023 10:44:41 GMT -5
Redtail and Brindleface are always gonna be the parents in my eyes
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Post by Lunar-Fox on Jan 4, 2023 15:57:48 GMT -5
recent headcanon i have is rabbitleap (poppydawn's brother) and rosetail another common one i see is redtail and rosetail Wait what... Rabbitleap died before Rosetail was born, and Rabbitleap is her uncle.
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Post by Lunar-Fox on Jan 4, 2023 16:02:39 GMT -5
Maybe Frostfur and Lionheart? Lionheart is golden-gingerish. Another possiblity is Goldenflower and someone else, or Speckletail and Smallear (Because atleast one of the parents in all of these is gingerish) But most likely Brindleface and Redtail, and that's what is the most common answer. However I like the idea of Goldenflower being her mom, as they are both strong and sassy pale ginger tabbies.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 4, 2023 16:26:16 GMT -5
Maybe Frostfur and Lionheart? Lionheart is golden-gingerish. Another possiblity is Goldenflower and someone else, or Speckletail and Smallear (Because atleast one of the parents in all of these is gingerish) But most likely Brindleface and Redtail, and that's what is the most common answer. However I like the idea of Goldenflower being her mom, as they are both strong and sassy pale ginger tabbies. Which would thus make Sandstorm and Bramblestar half-siblings and Bramblestar Squirrelflight's (half-)uncle, if Goldenflower was Sandstorm's mother. And which is then the exact same situation if Redtail and Brindleface were Sandstorm's parents which makes Ashfur be Squirreflight's (half-)uncle instead. I also suggested Frostfur and Lionheart as Sandstorm's parents in my first post on this thread but then realized that this would make Bramblestar also be related with Squirrelflight thus far (since Goldenflower and Lionheart are canonically confirmed littermates). There is no winning here. Which is why Sandstorm's parents are now Redtail and Runningwinf for me, no matter what canon eventually might come up instead, just don't care anymore. No wait, even then Bramblestar and Squirrelflight would be related since Redtail is Tigerstar's uncle. So nevermind, I'm giving up. I have the perfect solution. It would be to choose either of these options and then just never let BrambleSquirrel happen (let them have the arrogant older brother/annoying younger sister dynamic they deserved anyways). It's too late for that in canon but fanon can still be saved.
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Post by Lunar-Fox on Jan 4, 2023 16:57:43 GMT -5
Maybe Frostfur and Lionheart? Lionheart is golden-gingerish. Another possiblity is Goldenflower and someone else, or Speckletail and Smallear (Because atleast one of the parents in all of these is gingerish) But most likely Brindleface and Redtail, and that's what is the most common answer. However I like the idea of Goldenflower being her mom, as they are both strong and sassy pale ginger tabbies. Which would thus make Sandstorm and Bramblestar half-siblings and Bramblestar Squirrelflight's (half-)uncle, if Goldenflower was Sandstorm's mother. And which is then the exact same situation if Redtail and Brindleface were Sandstorm's parents which makes Ashfur be Squirreflight's (half-)uncle instead. I also suggested Frostfur and Lionheart as Sandstorm's parents in my first post on this thread but then realized that this would make Bramblestar also be related with Squirrelflight thus far (since Goldenflower and Lionheart are canonically confirmed littermates). There is no winning here. Which is why Sandstorm's parents are now Redtail and Runningwinf for me, no matter what canon eventually might come up instead, just don't care anymore. No wait, even then Bramblestar and Squirrelflight would be related since Redtail is Tigerstar's uncle. So nevermind, I'm giving up. I have the perfect solution. It would be to choose either of these options and then just never let BrambleSquirrel happen (let them have the arrogant older brother/annoying younger sister dynamic they deserved anyways). It's too late for that in canon but fanon can still be saved. Yes, but Runningwind and Redtail can't be possible.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 4, 2023 17:01:52 GMT -5
Which would thus make Sandstorm and Bramblestar half-siblings and Bramblestar Squirrelflight's (half-)uncle, if Goldenflower was Sandstorm's mother. And which is then the exact same situation if Redtail and Brindleface were Sandstorm's parents which makes Ashfur be Squirreflight's (half-)uncle instead. I also suggested Frostfur and Lionheart as Sandstorm's parents in my first post on this thread but then realized that this would make Bramblestar also be related with Squirrelflight thus far (since Goldenflower and Lionheart are canonically confirmed littermates). There is no winning here. Which is why Sandstorm's parents are now Redtail and Runningwinf for me, no matter what canon eventually might come up instead, just don't care anymore. No wait, even then Bramblestar and Squirrelflight would be related since Redtail is Tigerstar's uncle. So nevermind, I'm giving up. I have the perfect solution. It would be to choose either of these options and then just never let BrambleSquirrel happen (let them have the arrogant older brother/annoying younger sister dynamic they deserved anyways). It's too late for that in canon but fanon can still be saved. Yes, but Runningwind and Redtail can't be possible. RunningRed is usually in the context of either Redtail being trans (ftm) or them having a surrogate queen to sire Sandstorm with. This pairing dynamic idea is what a lot of people use in fanfics regarding Sandstorm's parents. In canon, Redtail and Brindleface being her parents was canon for a little while but has since then been retconned. So now, everything is possible and it just seems unlikely that Sandstorm will ever get new parents confirmed anyways.
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Post by Lunar-Fox on Jan 4, 2023 17:02:53 GMT -5
Yes, but Runningwind and Redtail can't be possible. RunningRed is usually in the context of either Redtail being trans (ftm) or them having a surrogate queen to sire Sandstorm with. This pairing dynamic idea is what a lot of people use in fanfics regarding Sandstorm's parents. Yes, but I think we are looking for real answers, not HC.
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Post by angyfrog on Jan 4, 2023 17:04:53 GMT -5
Maybe Frostfur and Lionheart? Lionheart is golden-gingerish. Another possiblity is Goldenflower and someone else, or Speckletail and Smallear (Because atleast one of the parents in all of these is gingerish) But most likely Brindleface and Redtail, and that's what is the most common answer. However I like the idea of Goldenflower being her mom, as they are both strong and sassy pale ginger tabbies. Which would thus make Sandstorm and Bramblestar half-siblings and Bramblestar Squirrelflight's (half-)uncle, if Goldenflower was Sandstorm's mother. And which is then the exact same situation if Redtail and Brindleface were Sandstorm's parents which makes Ashfur be Squirreflight's (half-)uncle instead. I also suggested Frostfur and Lionheart as Sandstorm's parents in my first post on this thread but then realized that this would make Bramblestar also be related with Squirrelflight thus far (since Goldenflower and Lionheart are canonically confirmed littermates). There is no winning here. Which is why Sandstorm's parents are now Redtail and Runningwinf for me, no matter what canon eventually might come up instead, just don't care anymore. No wait, even then Bramblestar and Squirrelflight would be related since Redtail is Tigerstar's uncle. So nevermind, I'm giving up. I have the perfect solution. It would be to choose either of these options and then just never let BrambleSquirrel happen (let them have the arrogant older brother/annoying younger sister dynamic they deserved anyways). It's too late for that in canon but fanon can still be saved. Remember canon in fiction at best is suggestion, RedxRunning
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 4, 2023 17:06:19 GMT -5
RunningRed is usually in the context of either Redtail being trans (ftm) or them having a surrogate queen to sire Sandstorm with. This pairing dynamic idea is what a lot of people use in fanfics regarding Sandstorm's parents. Yes, but I think we are looking for real answers, not HC. A few other people have named RunningRed on this thread as well. Nowhere does it say that only "real answers" count (whatever that is supposed to mean outside of the headcanon context).
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 4, 2023 17:19:42 GMT -5
Which would thus make Sandstorm and Bramblestar half-siblings and Bramblestar Squirrelflight's (half-)uncle, if Goldenflower was Sandstorm's mother. And which is then the exact same situation if Redtail and Brindleface were Sandstorm's parents which makes Ashfur be Squirreflight's (half-)uncle instead. I also suggested Frostfur and Lionheart as Sandstorm's parents in my first post on this thread but then realized that this would make Bramblestar also be related with Squirrelflight thus far (since Goldenflower and Lionheart are canonically confirmed littermates). There is no winning here. Which is why Sandstorm's parents are now Redtail and Runningwinf for me, no matter what canon eventually might come up instead, just don't care anymore. No wait, even then Bramblestar and Squirrelflight would be related since Redtail is Tigerstar's uncle. So nevermind, I'm giving up. I have the perfect solution. It would be to choose either of these options and then just never let BrambleSquirrel happen (let them have the arrogant older brother/annoying younger sister dynamic they deserved anyways). It's too late for that in canon but fanon can still be saved. Remember canon in fiction at best is suggestion, RedxRunning Yes, but there would still be the problem of BrambleSquirrel being related (since Redtail is Tigerstar's uncle thus making Sandstorm and Bramblestar be ?second cousins? I think and so on). Then again, this battle cat series is already full of that anyways and I'm just over it (but not really) at this point. The best solution really is, down with BrambleSquirrel! Rise up, RunningRed as Sandstorm's parents!
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