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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Nov 30, 2022 20:20:04 GMT -5
IF Splashtail is evil I think his next target would be Mothwing.
In this book many cats either intentionally or unintentionally looked up to her for leadership. Splashtail will probably kill her so that he's the main cat that his clanmates are looking up to for leadership.
His motives for becoming leader are unclear, but he's possible just become more power hungry, and after aiding in killing Reedwhisker he gained more confidence in his ability and went off on his own to kill Curlfeather.
Anyways it's still just a theory, thoughts?
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 30, 2022 22:26:57 GMT -5
Can someone remind me why we think Splashtail might be evil
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Post by Jaysnow on Nov 30, 2022 22:44:57 GMT -5
Can someone remind me why we think Splashtail might be evil His behavior in Sky is very, very suspicious. That is all. |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 30, 2022 22:46:00 GMT -5
Can someone remind me why we think Splashtail might be evil His behavior in Sky is very, very suspicious. That is all. what did he do that was suspicious? |
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Nov 30, 2022 22:47:25 GMT -5
Saint Ambrosef He's just always around Frostpaw, and he's always nearby when something goes wrong. Or he could be good, but it be cool if he were evil
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Post by seantheskyhunter on Dec 1, 2022 4:17:06 GMT -5
I really wouldnt mind, they must get rid of her asap
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Dec 1, 2022 5:09:07 GMT -5
I have been thinking this and mentioning it on a few other WG threads ever since River cane out. It just seems likely that Mothwing might become a target of whatever is currently going on in RiverClan. But especially when it comes to her taking charge or even possibly being chosen for leadership after all.
On the topic of Splashtail, we don't know anything for sure yet although he could very well be involved in the RiverClan conspiracy plot that got Reedwhisker killed.Then again, that is also just speculation these days as wel until something more precise leading to such a theory is hopefully revealed soon enough in the next book, Shadow. But yeah, Splashtail seems at the very least sus for now and I'm excited to see what the conclusion to that whole RiverClan mystery will eventually turn out to be. He is surely involved in some way or other though even if something tells me he is not the ringleader, so to speak. Someone older just seems a lot more likely.
Duskfur was already disregarded by some readers as being behind this/the culprit due to her daughter Curlefeather dying. I've also seen some other fans further speculate though that her and Curlfeather could have possibly been working together regarding Reedwhisker's death, then had a falling out with each other over something which lead to Duskfur either intentionally getting rid of ger own daughter (which would be a devastatingly cruel thing to do to her own offspring) or it was an accident and Duskfur really never meant for Curlfeather to die. The possibilities are still open until further revelations.
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Dec 1, 2022 5:21:18 GMT -5
Saint Ambrosef He's just always around Frostpaw, and he's always nearby when something goes wrong. Or he could be good, but it be cool if he were evil I personally don't think him being constantly around Frostpaw was what made Splashtail out to be sus, at least not in Sky. Of course, him being so friendly towards her could be revealed as an act/wanting to use her medicine cat status in the end but it just did really seem very genuine for now imo. He would have to be a very good actor in that regard though lol. What made him suspicious to me in that book, or rather stand out there, was the ending of Sky which was the RiverClan vs. ShadowClan battle temporary takeover situation thing. The fact that the narrative decided to focus so much on him in the final chapter which was from Sunbeam's perspective and then ended with her having focused the attention on him out of all the cats present having "rage in his eyes before lowering his head towards Tigerstar" just put him even more on my radar in terms of suspicion. I really hope he is revealed to be a new villain sooner rather than later. |
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Post by deerspirit on Dec 1, 2022 8:17:15 GMT -5
I personally think Splashtail is good. That he is just a sweet cat who wants to help his clan. I think any suspicious actions to his character is probably a red herring. I believe the overall big bad this arc is Mapleshade. Everything just points to her being behind everything. This is most likely Mapleshade's goodbye arc like the Broken Code was Ashfur's. On BlogClan there is an interesting thought out article on the villains of A Starless Clan I strongly recommend reading it.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 1, 2022 11:27:09 GMT -5
I've also seen some other fans further speculate though that her and Curlfeather could have possibly been working together regarding Reedwhisker's death, then had a falling out with each other over something which lead to Duskfur either intentionally getting rid of ger own daughter (which would be a devastatingly cruel thing to do to her own offspring) or it was an accident and Duskfur really never meant for Curlfeather to die. The possibilities are still open until further revelations. Not sure that idea makes much sense, since that plan completely relies on the chance that Mothwing and/or Frostpaw decide to choose Curl or Dusk to be leader. |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 1, 2022 11:33:41 GMT -5
Saint Ambrosef He's just always around Frostpaw, and he's always nearby when something goes wrong. Or he could be good, but it be cool if he were evil I personally don't think him being constantly around Frostpaw was what made Splashtail out to be sus, at least not in Sky. Of course, him being so friendly towards her could be revealed as an act/wanting to use her medicine cat status in the end but it just did really seem very genuine for now imo. He would have to be a very good actor in that regard though lol. What made him suspicious to me in that book, or rather stand out there, was the ending of Sky which was the RiverClan vs. ShadowClan battle temporary takeover situation thing. The fact that the narrative decided to focus so much on him in the final chapter which was from Sunbeam's perspective and then ended with her having focused the attention on him out of all the cats present having "rage in his eyes before lowering his head towards Tigerstar" just put him even more on my radar in terms of suspicion. I really hope he is revealed to be a new villain sooner rather than later. That's an interesting thought. It could be that whatever plan he was cooking up was foiled by Tigerstar showing up. After all, wasn't he just named deputy by Owlnose? However, it could also be that the books are setting up Splashtail to be a genuine leader. The recent focus on him might just be to develop his personality as a previously unknown background character. The detail of him enraged at the end of Sky could be the beginning of him moving to the forefront as a potential leadership figure for his clanmates. Or a trigger for him realizing he wants to step up. The chessboard shuffling, if you will, revealing who the major players in this political fight will be moving forward. EDIT: Honestly, they could still make him a villain if they took a "Hitler in post-WWI Germany" route. Rally his beat-down clanmates and turn them into a war machine. Make Frostpaw have to oppose his unethical rule. That'd be a super interesting angle -- and tragic. |
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Dec 1, 2022 11:58:33 GMT -5
I've also seen some other fans further speculate though that her and Curlfeather could have possibly been working together regarding Reedwhisker's death, then had a falling out with each other over something which lead to Duskfur either intentionally getting rid of ger own daughter (which would be a devastatingly cruel thing to do to her own offspring) or it was an accident and Duskfur really never meant for Curlfeather to die. The possibilities are still open until further revelations. Not sure that idea makes much sense, since that plan completely relies on the chance that Mothwing and/or Frostpaw decide to choose Curl or Dusk to be leader. I think another part of the theory was that someone could have intentionally put the the curled feathers Frostpaw found during River near the Moonpool there so that she would see it as a sign to choose her mother Curlfeather. People already suspected Splashtail to might have done that back then because he was the one to go with Frostpaw and wait nearby while she was trying to contact StarClan. |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 1, 2022 12:18:21 GMT -5
Not sure that idea makes much sense, since that plan completely relies on the chance that Mothwing and/or Frostpaw decide to choose Curl or Dusk to be leader. I think another part of the theory was that someone could have intentionally put the the curled feathers Frostpaw found during River near the Moonpool there so that she would see it as a sign to choose her mother Curlfeather. People already suspected Splashtail to might have done that back then because he was the one to go with Frostpaw and wait nearby while she was trying to contact StarClan. But why would that benefit Splashtail? Then he'd have to go through all the trouble of getting Curlfeather killed. Unless he was part of the plot with Curl and Dusk somehow, although idk what his angle would be there. If he wants to be in charge he could have placed a cattail in the moonpool or something. Or not anything at all rather than setting up the feather red herring. |
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Dec 1, 2022 12:19:42 GMT -5
I personally don't think him being constantly around Frostpaw was what made Splashtail out to be sus, at least not in Sky. Of course, him being so friendly towards her could be revealed as an act/wanting to use her medicine cat status in the end but it just did really seem very genuine for now imo. He would have to be a very good actor in that regard though lol. What made him suspicious to me in that book, or rather stand out there, was the ending of Sky which was the RiverClan vs. ShadowClan battle temporary takeover situation thing. The fact that the narrative decided to focus so much on him in the final chapter which was from Sunbeam's perspective and then ended with her having focused the attention on him out of all the cats present having "rage in his eyes before lowering his head towards Tigerstar" just put him even more on my radar in terms of suspicion. I really hope he is revealed to be a new villain sooner rather than later. That's an interesting thought. It could be that whatever plan he was cooking up was foiled by Tigerstar showing up. After all, wasn't he just named deputy by Owlnose? However, it could also be that the books are setting up Splashtail to be a genuine leader. The recent focus on him might just be to develop his personality as a previously unknown background character. The detail of him enraged at the end of Sky could be the beginning of him moving to the forefront as a potential leadership figure for his clanmates. Or a trigger for him realizing he wants to step up. The chessboard shuffling, if you will, revealing who the major players in this political fight will be moving forward. EDIT: Honestly, they could still make him a villain if they took a "Hitler in post-WWI Germany" route. Rally his beat-down clanmates and turn them into a war machine. Make Frostpaw have to oppose his unethical rule. That'd be a super interesting angle -- and tragic. Exactly, I'm sure Splashtail was then outright furious at Tigerstar's interference in the RiverClan situation if he really was planning something sinister happening to Owlnose for example, before ShadowClan showed up to ruin it. Oh, absolutely. Various outcomes are still wide open to possibly happen and things can go in either direction upon being finally revealed, perhaps even next book, who knows. Splashtail really could just have RiverClan's best interests at heart in the end, after all. I personally simply want new villains in the Warriors series and hope he'll be one of them. Then again, Splashtail might not even be the main focus/ringleader of what's going on and can also still be revealed to even just be a red herring, of course, but we'll have to just wait and see. I've got my hopes up for him at least doing something as a character. Be it good or evil (hoping for the latter instance though). Perhaps it's even something in between (we need more morally grey cats in this franchise anyways imo). I saw a comic page which at least proposes the idea of Frostpaw having to realize Splashtail (Splashstar in that instance since he did become leader there) was behind everything and thus she has to go against him: art by sunstartle on tumblr  |
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Dec 1, 2022 12:34:13 GMT -5
I think another part of the theory was that someone could have intentionally put the the curled feathers Frostpaw found during River near the Moonpool there so that she would see it as a sign to choose her mother Curlfeather. People already suspected Splashtail to might have done that back then because he was the one to go with Frostpaw and wait nearby while she was trying to contact StarClan. But why would that benefit Splashtail? Then he'd have to go through all the trouble of getting Curlfeather killed. Unless he was part of the plot with Curl and Dusk somehow, although idk what his angle would be there. If he wants to be in charge he could have placed a cattail in the moonpool or something. Or not anything at all rather than setting up the feather red herring. Perhaps he was initially just a minor part of the group of RiverClan cats that conspired to kill Reedwhisker, considering that he's the newest warrior if I'm remembering things correctly, but he eventually decided to want more power, both in the group but also his Clan after Curlfeather's death? Then again, even the the thought of their being a murder conspiracy against Reedwhisker at all is still also just a theory for now until there's more information either confirming it or revealing something else was going on. |
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Post by Sแดแด Bษชsแดแดษชแด - โ on Dec 1, 2022 13:06:39 GMT -5
Maybe, but with unconventional paths being taken for roles in the Clans (with forbidden romances being removed with new rules, creating rules like "Mediator," etc...) I am hoping for a twist that the cat least likely to be leader would be a medicine cat - Mothwing - since medicine cats don't normally become leaders. She's been taking a leadership role this whole time, and Frostpaw even says "Why don't you be leader?" and she immediately shoots it down - but I think it would be a cool twist. She would be the least likely cat to be a leader - but she also seems to be a natural leader. She fulfills the basic requirement of having an apprentice already. Mothstar is a cool leader name, to boot.
Which would also put her in danger to die next, but perhaps it'll be a near-kill instead of a full kill, and perhaps reveal Splashtail or whoever as the culprit. I like the idea as well of Mapleshade returning as the Big Villain(tm), since we got a lot of hints in the Ashfur arc that she could return since she didn't second-die.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 1, 2022 13:09:06 GMT -5
But why would that benefit Splashtail? Then he'd have to go through all the trouble of getting Curlfeather killed. Unless he was part of the plot with Curl and Dusk somehow, although idk what his angle would be there. If he wants to be in charge he could have placed a cattail in the moonpool or something. Or not anything at all rather than setting up the feather red herring. Perhaps he was initially just a minor part of the group of RiverClan cats that conspired to kill Reedwhisker, considering that he's the newest warrior if I'm remembering things correctly, but he eventually decided to want more power, both in the group but also his Clan after Curlfeather's death? Then again, even the the thought of their being a murder conspiracy against Reedwhisker at all is still also just a theory for now until there's more information either confirming it or revealing something else was going on. We know something probably happened - wasn't he found with scratches on his body? |
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Dec 1, 2022 13:16:03 GMT -5
Perhaps he was initially just a minor part of the group of RiverClan cats that conspired to kill Reedwhisker, considering that he's the newest warrior if I'm remembering things correctly, but he eventually decided to want more power, both in the group but also his Clan after Curlfeather's death? Then again, even the the thought of their being a murder conspiracy against Reedwhisker at all is still also just a theory for now until there's more information either confirming it or revealing something else was going on. We know something probably happened - wasn't he found with scratches on his body? Yes, I think most readers can agree that Reedwhisker's death was not just as simple as him falling down the cliff and breaking his neck while definitely having fought something or someone before that considering those claw marks. In-universe, the characters suspect it was a badger and later on those same dogs that killed Curlfeather, if I remember things correctly but I'm really hoping it was another cat who killed him. Although I've also seen a recent theory that maybe Midnight the Badger has returned to the Clans as a villain and murdered Reedwhisker. Which is a fun concept but probably hopefully just not true. |
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Dec 1, 2022 13:59:12 GMT -5
Maybe, but with unconventional paths being taken for roles in the Clans (with forbidden romances being removed with new rules, creating rules like "Mediator," etc...) I am hoping for a twist that the cat least likely to be leader would be a medicine cat - Mothwing - since medicine cats don't normally become leaders. She's been taking a leadership role this whole time, and Frostpaw even says "Why don't you be leader?" and she immediately shoots it down - but I think it would be a cool twist. She would be the least likely cat to be a leader - but she also seems to be a natural leader. She fulfills the basic requirement of having an apprentice already. Mothstar is a cool leader name, to boot. Which would also put her in danger to die next, but perhaps it'll be a near-kill instead of a full kill, and perhaps reveal Splashtail or whoever as the culprit. I like the idea as well of Mapleshade returning as the Big Villain(tm), since we got a lot of hints in the Ashfur arc that she could return since she didn't second-die. I personally like the thought of Mothwing as leader (even though she would probably hate it) but something tells me she will not make it to that position and get killed off instead. Which is why my own hopes are currently set on Splashtail becoming leader, turning out evil, getting overthrown and then Frostpaw being revealed as the one destined for the proper leadership of RiverClan in the end. |
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Post by lucillia on Dec 13, 2022 19:00:57 GMT -5
original creator of the midnight theory here- honestly i hope its true <33
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Post by ๐๐ป๐ฆBrambleheart๐ฆ๐ป๐ on Dec 14, 2022 18:31:00 GMT -5
original creator of the midnight theory here- honestly i hope its true <33 What's the Midnight theory? |
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Dec 14, 2022 18:35:44 GMT -5
original creator of the midnight theory here- honestly i hope its true <33 What's the Midnight theory? I mentioned that theory as well (saw it on tumblr) in one of my replies to saintambrosef on this thread: Moth Flight got mentioned there to possibly be ASC's villain alongside Midnight, if I'm remembering things correctly. |
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Post by ๐dapple๐ (formerly freckle) on Dec 15, 2022 11:24:45 GMT -5
Can someone remind me why we think Splashtail might be evil Because he was upset when another clan leader came bumbling into his home saying he wanted to help. Rightful anger from him imo |
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Post by Hollyfall on Dec 15, 2022 12:02:15 GMT -5
Can someone remind me why we think Splashtail might be evil Because he was upset when another clan leader came bumbling into his home saying he wanted to help. Rightful anger from him imo By that logic then we should consider every RiverClan cat to be evil since they were all (rightfully) pissed Tigerstar just beat them into submission. Look at Mothwing, Mallownose, or Duskfur who lost their shit even before the battle |
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Post by ๐dapple๐ (formerly freckle) on Dec 15, 2022 12:14:26 GMT -5
Because he was upset when another clan leader came bumbling into his home saying he wanted to help. Rightful anger from him imo By that logic then we should consider every RiverClan cat to be evil since they were all (rightfully) pissed Tigerstar just beat them into submission. Look at Mothwing, Mallownose, or Duskfur who lost their shit even before the battle I forgot the /s, but yeah I was agreeing him being angry doesn't equal him being evil bleh shoulda clarified XD |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 15, 2022 12:38:35 GMT -5
Because he was upset when another clan leader came bumbling into his home saying he wanted to help. Rightful anger from him imo By that logic then we should consider every RiverClan cat to be evil since they were all (rightfully) pissed Tigerstar just beat them into submission. Look at Mothwing, Mallownose, or Duskfur who lost their shit even before the battle This! Don't get me wrong, I'm all for twist villains and maybe this'll even lead into something later, but saying that Splashtail refusing to submit to Tigerstar is evidence of his villainy is honestly an incredibly weak argument to make imo, not only because everyone else in RiverClan was clearly upset about it, but also because ShadowClan invaded his home! Of course he'd be angry! That's pretty much to be expected when a foreign power takes over land, regardless of intentions. In fact, literally the only reason RiverClan stopped was because Splashtail himself didn't want anyone to die, not because they all wanted to be under ShadowClan rule again (the fact that this is technically the third time it's happened in RiverClan's history if we count the Kin makes it worse). Again, I wouldn't mind him becoming a villain, I'm just saying that I think this specific piece of evidence is far too weak. |
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Dec 15, 2022 13:09:19 GMT -5
By that logic then we should consider every RiverClan cat to be evil since they were all (rightfully) pissed Tigerstar just beat them into submission. Look at Mothwing, Mallownose, or Duskfur who lost their shit even before the battle This! Don't get me wrong, I'm all for twist villains and maybe this'll even lead into something later, but saying that Splashtail refusing to submit to Tigerstar is evidence of his villainy is honestly an incredibly weak argument to make imo, not only because everyone else in RiverClan was clearly upset about it, but also because ShadowClan invaded his home! Of course he'd be angry! That's pretty much to be expected when a foreign power takes over land, regardless of intentions. In fact, literally the only reason RiverClan stopped was because Splashtail himself didn't want anyone to die, not because they all wanted to be under ShadowClan rule again (the fact that this is technically the third time it's happened in RiverClan's history if we count the Kin makes it worse). Again, I wouldn't mind him becoming a villain, I'm just saying that I think this specific piece of evidence is far too weak. I feel a little called out lol. Since I have provided that exact scene as part of my evidence of his possible villainy. Although not because Splashtail was angry at Tigerstar. and ShadowClan. Because of course he was! Just like the rest of RiverClan. And rightfully so! But rather due to how he gets written/focused on by the narrative through Sunbeam when the book ends. This is still the page from the Sky spoiler thread. So thank you again Hollyfall. Even though I could just take a photo of this scene from my own copy of that book at this point lol: |
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Post by lucillia on Dec 16, 2022 19:49:04 GMT -5
Here's the original tumblr post i made-
" Midnight (and maybe) Moth flight are the villians of ASC and im right
-why was curlfeather SO quick to dismiss the potential of reedwhiskers wounds being badger scratches?
-Who can control dogs? MIDNIGHT
-why was the bright green eyed cat frostpaw saw SO obviously not willowshine?(one of the few cats described with bright green eyes)
-Who has the MOST to lose with code changes? Those who have the most influence over starclan"
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