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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 22, 2022 17:59:02 GMT -5
I just re-read the article about Nightheart and the Burden of Legacy which got released on the official Warrior Cats website back in April of this year. Here it is linked in case people want to quickly get to it and refreshen their memory if need be: warriorcats.com/content/article/nightheart-and-the-burden-of-legacyDue to how these books tend to be written, something just tells me now that Nightheart might actually accept Firestar's legacy by the end of this newest arc and learn to live with it. Especially due to the closing paragraph of this article though, which does indeed say that he will eventually be respected in his own right in the end but also that he is indeed akin to Firestar on some level. Of course, those two things can coexist together, meaning Nightheart can accept the legacy of his famous ancestor while also staying true to himself.
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Post by Leonard on Nov 22, 2022 19:15:47 GMT -5
I've been thinking about Nightheart for a while now, and I think (hope?) that the part that he will share with Firestar is his questioning of the rules and the underlying Clan system, which probably isn't all that commonly spoken about in-universe when talking about Firestar. There are parts in River and Sky where he questions the rules - and maybe long term, that's what his character is going to be about, channelling his rebellious nature into the productive reforms of the Warrior Code. With how the things are going in the latest book, the Clans may come to the conclusion that the changes that were made in River didn't go far enough. To back it up, a couple of scenes: The introducing Flamepaw chapter in River: And some quotes from Sky, under the spoiler box:
I think they are trying to make Nightheart a reformist, considering all his willingness to change the traditions in the books so far, his willingness to speak out and his general rebellious attitude. So he would push for further changes to the Warrior Code. Maybe try to establish a democracy? The endgame, of course, would be that he learns that Firestar has also looked beyond the Warrior Code, just like Nightheart is doing now, and Nightheart is willing to accept his heritage now that knows Firestar from this angle.
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Post by Jaysnow on Nov 22, 2022 19:23:42 GMT -5
Leo's response is probably the best this thread will see but I think you're definitely right that Nightheart's story will end with him accepting Firestar as his ancestor and something predictable like that.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 23, 2022 8:30:13 GMT -5
Leonard Great post, thanks for putting all those moments in where Flamepaw/Nightheart acts similar to Firestar on the basis of him questioning the established rule(s) in modern Clan society. I do agree and think he will try and change things while also realizing his and Firestar's similarities along the way but I'm not sure Nightheart's implied idea of a democracy within the Clan system will truly be what happens by the end of his personal arc and this arc in general. It's a good thought process though and definitely interesting to theorize about.
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Post by Leonard on Nov 23, 2022 14:15:08 GMT -5
I do agree and think he will try and change things while also realizing his and Firestar's similarities along the way but I'm not sure Nightheart's implied idea of a democracy within the Clan system will truly be what happens by the end of his personal arc and this arc in general. I agree - I don't think elected leaders are going to be the new status quo, but maybe it's something that they will try in this arc.
Sky spoilers: Between Bramblestar's condition, RiverClan situation and the strong opposition to Tigerstar, the Clans' leadership is perhaps at the weakest that is has ever been in the series. It would be a good time for a revolution, though obviously the books can really go anywhere from this point on.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 23, 2022 14:39:10 GMT -5
I do agree and think he will try and change things while also realizing his and Firestar's similarities along the way but I'm not sure Nightheart's implied idea of a democracy within the Clan system will truly be what happens by the end of his personal arc and this arc in general. I agree - I don't think elected leaders are going to be the new status quo, but maybe it's something that they will try in this arc.
Sky spoilers: Between Bramblestar's condition, RiverClan situation and the strong opposition to Tigerstar, the Clans' leadership is perhaps at the weakest that is has ever been in the series. It would be a good time for a revolution, though obviously the books can really go anywhere from this point on. I also think that they will try something new out in terms of how leaders get chosen. Yet another revolution (or rather rebellion) definitely seems to be on the table for ShadowClan in this arc if Berryheart's behaviour towards Tigerstar is anything to go by and more of her Clanmates join that cause so she'll finally get ready to wreck some actual havoc. As for RiverClan, they might get a new leader soon (not Owlnose) who could not only be involved in the conspiracy regarding Reedwhisker's death but also serve as a new villain for the remaining three books until getting overthrown in the last book (my hopes for Splashtail are still so high in this regard). With ThunderClan, I'm really hoping Bramblestar either retires on his own or is voted out of his leadership position by his Clan.
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Post by Lunar-Fox on Nov 23, 2022 14:52:10 GMT -5
Honestly still I hate Nightheart. He treats Sunbeam like an object to escape his clan, and all he does is complain about the burden of being Firestar's kin, while most of the clan is Firestar's kin aswell.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 23, 2022 15:07:14 GMT -5
Honestly still I hate Nightheart. He treats Sunbeam like an object to escape his clan, and all he does is complain about the burden of being Firestar's kin, while most of the clan is Firestar's kin aswell. Asking for opinions on Nightheart as a character was not the point of this thread. But you are of course still free to think that about him. I will say this though, just like Nightheart might indeed be using Sunbeam to get away from ThunderClan so could Sunbeam also be using him as a rebound because of her not getting Blazefire as a mate.
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Post by Lunar-Fox on Nov 23, 2022 15:08:49 GMT -5
Sorry! It's just Nightheart gets on my nerves so much I needed to say something.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 23, 2022 15:10:03 GMT -5
Sorry! It's just Nightheart gets on my nerves so much I needed to say something. Sure but you could also just make your own rant thread about him once you have enough posts to do so.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Nov 23, 2022 19:39:14 GMT -5
Warriors does have a history of being predictable, so I won't be surprised if Nightheart eventually accepts his ancestor's legacy.
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Post by Hollyfall on Nov 23, 2022 22:53:24 GMT -5
During Nightheart's warrior ceremony Bramblestar does more or less tell him that like it or not, many cats do see some of Firestar's qualities in Nightheart. I'm hoping that comes into fruition at some point.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 24, 2022 10:36:14 GMT -5
I do like this idea and noticed it myself in River. It’s not just the idea of changing things, but just in general recognizing that the code is supposed to be a guide and sometimes it’s okay to break it. I only hope Night can start questioning the strictness of the clans in a less disrespectful and annoyed way.
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