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Post by Bristleflight on Nov 15, 2022 13:05:43 GMT -5
This page will be to have civil conversations on pet peeves and anoying things of the warriors fandom. Don't be rude. Here are some of mine. I will be talking about these today.
Why read the books if you hate the arcs
The problem with the fandoms nostalgia
The newer arcs
The art camunity
Picking sides and getting to personal
Name calling
Uncaninising things they don't like
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Post by Jaysnow on Nov 15, 2022 13:07:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you're on about here. People can read the series and have complaints about the books. The books aren't going to be perfect and they have some glaring flaws a lot of the time. This is a forum that discusses the books and every aspect of them...nothing wrong with criticizing a book series, enjoying books and criticizing them are not mutually exclusive.
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Post by Bristleflight on Nov 15, 2022 13:09:23 GMT -5
The first Head line is my biggest problem with the fandom. I get people liking one arc or the other or having some criticism. But it's when they say they hate multiple arcs. I just saw someone who listed why they hate more then half of the books. Well why read them then if you hate them. My least fav is tpb but I still like it just not as much as the others. Tnp might be boring but it was still full of character moments. So I'm just saying try to find joy in all the books and don't complain about everything good day.
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Post by Jaysnow on Nov 15, 2022 13:14:04 GMT -5
People can do what they like though, and also maybe they're hoping the books will end up getting better. I dislike The New Prophecy but you're right that it had some great character moments (as well as some bad ones..) but again, people can like or dislike whatever they want.
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Post by angyfrog on Nov 15, 2022 13:20:37 GMT -5
The first Head line is my biggest problem with the fandom. I get people liking one arc or the other or having some criticism. But it's when they say they hate multiple arcs. I just saw someone who listed why they hate more then half of the books. Well why read them then if you hate them. My least fav is tpb but I still like it just not as much as the others. Tnp might be boring but it was still full of character moments. So I'm just saying try to find joy in all the books and don't complain about everything good day. People as odd as it may be, love criticizing things they enjoy Personally I adore/love the concept of the silly battle cats, but I dislike a lot of what happens in the books, the blatant hypocrisy that's almost never acknowledged, how inconsistent the series is, the messages that the books give, how characters suddenly change between books, I could go on and on about it Criticizing a book/game/whatnot shows how much you truly care for it because you wanna see it be done better, or feel like it isn't up to par like previous content, example being I love Pokémon as it's a game from my childhood but even though I adore the series I see many glaring problems within it and thus feel a need to speak out about said problems or outright take action by not buying a particular game, even then in general it's interesting to discuss about contents in books positive or negative |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 15, 2022 14:06:47 GMT -5
people need to understand that recognizing the flaws in something u enjoy is a healthy thing to do. whereas pretending everything about it is perfect and incapable of being "bad" is not a healthy thing to do. sure everything is subjective, but i personally dont like it when people complain about people complaining...it's pretty useless. especially for people like me who have been involved with the warriors books and fandom since elementary school age, we have grown attached to a lot of things over the years, and we r in our right to talk about them, the good and the bad. as we age, we realize things about the series and see them as they r: flaws. and there is nothing wrong with acknowleding the series is very flawed and not as good as we once thought as children with less reading experience.
and also people like me who have been fans since elementary school age, we criticize the series bc we want it to be good "again." in my mind at least, i have nostalgia for when i first read the books. back then, i was excited and thought it was good bc it was new to me. but its been how many years (im 25 now) for me, and to me, i've been exposed to all kinds of media to show me good AND bad writing in fiction. so my attachment to the series is like "i want this thing from my childhood to be good, but im getting frustrated and sad/disappointed waiting for it to be good."
not sure if that made sense, but if u get it, then u get it. i tried to write this the most respectful way i could so people understand why im very critical.
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Post by Sphinxwhisker on Nov 15, 2022 14:09:23 GMT -5
Valid, and constructive criticism of companies practices or media etc. is what prevents companies from being able to get away with extremely egregious and extortive tactics of blackmailing the consumer. It keeps hellfire and atrocious game launches like Cyberpunk 2077 and Battlefield 2042 from becoming an acceptable norm. It prevents companies from selling dysfunctional and unusable products without liability. And why a restaurant can’t employ faulty health code practices, infect you with Salmonella and just be like “oops”. Basically guidelines and rules, along with criticism helps prevent companies from getting away with selling mediocre goods and services. And people generally only criticize things they care about. Of course there’s always going to be a few vitriol flingers for the simple reason of stirring up discourse. But for the most part, most people enjoy the series, and criticize elements they find substandard, and wish to be improved upon.
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Post by Sand on Nov 15, 2022 14:17:40 GMT -5
If there's members name calling others, I highly suggest that you report it to forum staff. If members are getting personal within debates, fights, etc., it's worth a report as well.
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Post by Jaysnow on Nov 15, 2022 14:23:07 GMT -5
If there's members name calling others, I highly suggest that you report it to forum staff. If members are getting personal within debates, fights, etc., it's worth a report as well. I personally haven't seen name-calling for a while...but maybe I missed something? |
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Post by 🎃👻🦇Brambleheart🦇👻🎃 on Nov 15, 2022 15:27:02 GMT -5
If there's members name calling others, I highly suggest that you report it to forum staff. If members are getting personal within debates, fights, etc., it's worth a report as well. I personally haven't seen name-calling for a while...but maybe I missed something? I don't know all the details but perhaps it's in another circle of the fandom? |
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Post by Bristleflight on Nov 15, 2022 16:53:01 GMT -5
Im just saying it's good to notice the flaws there's a lot in warriors but to outright hate an arc I feel is weird to do when you say you like the books
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Post by Bristleflight on Nov 15, 2022 16:53:40 GMT -5
I personally haven't seen name-calling for a while...but maybe I missed something? I don't know all the details but perhaps it's in another circle of the fandom? not me but I have seen it on Reddit multiple times |
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Post by Hollyfall on Nov 15, 2022 16:56:41 GMT -5
Im just saying it's good to notice the flaws there's a lot in warriors but to outright hate an arc I feel is weird to do when you say you like the books Liking the books =/= liking all of them though? I feel you might be mixing up outright hating some of the books and being critical of them. |
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Post by Bristleflight on Nov 15, 2022 17:00:36 GMT -5
I'd like to address the secund topic now. There is no problem with nalstalgia but when it blinds you to not seeing the issues with said media it becomes a problem. Iv seen people shoving the idea that the first series is the best to people who disagree and people being rude about it. As well as the newer cats getting no merch. Also when people don't give the newer series a chance because they hear others complaining about how bad they are when in reality there as good as the first series the writers take risked which I love so don't let you nalstalgia blind you. It's ok to have it but nostalgia the good as well as the bad.
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Post by Bristleflight on Nov 15, 2022 17:03:23 GMT -5
Im just saying it's good to notice the flaws there's a lot in warriors but to outright hate an arc I feel is weird to do when you say you like the books Liking the books =/= liking all of them though? I feel you might be mixing up outright hating some of the books and being critical of them. . I did not say you had to like all the books but If you are going to criticize an arc don't just say it's boring. Explain why how could it be improved? Also I see some people saying they don't like tnp pot oots dotc avos and tbc and only like the first series and the old super additions with little to no explanation. It is a problem sometimes and probably stears potential new readers away. |
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Post by Hollyfall on Nov 15, 2022 17:27:11 GMT -5
Liking the books =/= liking all of them though? I feel you might be mixing up outright hating some of the books and being critical of them. . I did not say you had to like all the books but If you are going to criticize an arc don't just say it's boring. Explain why how could it be improved? Also I see some people saying they don't like tnp pot oots dotc avos and tbc and only like the first series and the old super additions with little to no explanation. It is a problem sometimes and probably stears potential new readers away. Not to be rude, but I don't think people need to justify why they do and don't like things? If they find an arc boring, then that's that. If new readers go off the opinions of others, then that's their own problem by not reading the book itself and forming their own opinion on it. I personally find TNP boring but I'm not telling people to just...not read it. |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 15, 2022 18:05:42 GMT -5
I don't think people's personal opinions over the quality of particular books/arcs is a "fandom problem", unless they're going about it in a rude way.
"Problem" suggests there's something we need to recognize and fix, but people's personal taste as readers doesn't fall under that category. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point? But someone who thinks this arc or that is "boring" doesn't have to articulate exactly how or why for their opinion to be acceptable, and individuals taking cues from their fellow fans' judgement of particular books isn't an issue, imo.
But that's your opinion that the newer series are "just as good". A lot of people disagree. There is no "in reality" because it's totally subjective to personal taste. This gives the impression that your primary issue is holding your assessment of the books as the "right one" and then being disappointed/frustrated that other fans don't agree. Not to mention that blaming nostalgia for the reason people disagree with you isn't a favorable argument.
Again unless people are being rude about it (which isn't a widespread issue here), I'm not sure what you want people to do about it, short of changing their opinion to suit yours.
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Post by kitters on Nov 15, 2022 18:44:04 GMT -5
I don't have much to say besides I hope people recognize this person is probably a young kid and would probably benefit from not being group-piled on.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 15, 2022 20:55:23 GMT -5
I don't have much to say besides I hope people recognize this person is probably a young kid and would probably benefit from not being group-piled on. I hope I am not coming off as hostile. I am mostly just bewildered and unsure what OP is identifying as problematic. |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 15, 2022 21:21:04 GMT -5
kitters lets just hope people learn about accepting flaws in fiction and media sooner rather than later and just move on.
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Post by kitters on Nov 15, 2022 21:24:43 GMT -5
I don't have much to say besides I hope people recognize this person is probably a young kid and would probably benefit from not being group-piled on. I hope I am not coming off as hostile. I am mostly just bewildered and unsure what OP is identifying as problematic. It's not really hostility from one person but just reading through this thread it started to feel a little dog-pile-y, everyone chipping in to give OP their 2 cents on why they're wrong when its not super necessary IMO, OP has some valid points in there. personally if I were in OP's shoes I'd feel a little stressed out but that could just be me... maybe they're okay with it? |
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Post by kitters on Nov 15, 2022 21:26:51 GMT -5
kitters lets just hope people learn about accepting flaws in fiction and media sooner rather than later and just move on. yes.. that would be a good thing? sorry im not sure what you're trying to tell me or if this is just a dig at op. |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 15, 2022 21:28:37 GMT -5
kitters lets just hope people learn about accepting flaws in fiction and media sooner rather than later and just move on. yes.. that would be a good thing? sorry im not sure what you're trying to tell me or if this is just a dig at op. sorry. im bad at indicating tone with just typing. i was trying to say i hope OP learns this and doesnt take this thread too seriously. |
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Post by Bristleflight on Nov 15, 2022 22:00:28 GMT -5
I'm good I just wanted to share my opinions you can disagree all you want.
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