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Post by maqle on Nov 8, 2022 12:19:46 GMT -5
Ok, I saw an old-ish video about this but I can’t find it rn so I’m just gonna make a thread about it. Mind, I didn’t come up with this idea! So basically, Dovewing and Tigertwo are related, just not by blood. Dovewing’s mother is white wing and whitewing’s father is cloudtail who’s uncle is Firestar. Firestar’s daughter is Squif and Squilf is cat-married to Bramblestar, who’s sister is Tawnypelt who’s kid is Tigertwo. I rest my case.
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Nov 8, 2022 13:25:34 GMT -5
They are also actually blood related too - at least very distantly.
Dovewing > Birchfall (Father) > Ferncloud (Mother) > Whitestorm (Mother) > Thistleclaw (Father) > Poppydawn (Mother) > Fallowsong (Mother) > Sweetbriar (Sister) > Pinestar (Son) > Tigerstar (Son) > Tawnypelt (Daughter) > Tigerheartstar (Son)
Edit: I remembered that I already did this but shorter so here you go lol
Dovewing/Ivypool -> Whitewing (Mother) -> Brightheart (White’s mother) -> Lionheart (Bright’s father) -> Goldenflower (Lion’s sister) -> Tawnpelt (Golden’s daughter) -> Flametail, Tigerheart, and Dawnpelt (Tawny’s kits)
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Post by maqle on Nov 8, 2022 13:30:49 GMT -5
They are also actually blood related too - at least very distantly. Dovewing > Birchfall (Father) > Ferncloud (Mother) > Whitestorm (Mother) > Thistleclaw (Father) > Poppydawn (Mother) > Fallowsong (Mother) > Sweetbriar (Sister) > Pinestar (Son) > Tigerstar (Son) > Tawnypelt (Daughter) > Tigerheartstar (Son) I’m sorry but why did you put whitestorm down as Ferncloud’s mother LMAO
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Nov 8, 2022 13:34:50 GMT -5
They are also actually blood related too - at least very distantly. Dovewing > Birchfall (Father) > Ferncloud (Mother) > Whitestorm (Mother) > Thistleclaw (Father) > Poppydawn (Mother) > Fallowsong (Mother) > Sweetbriar (Sister) > Pinestar (Son) > Tigerstar (Son) > Tawnypelt (Daughter) > Tigerheartstar (Son) I’m sorry but why did you put whitestorm down as Ferncloud’s mother LMAO Oh lol, that was because I thought Brindleface was somehow related to Tigerstar, and then I switched her to Whitestorm but didn’t fix that part.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 8, 2022 13:35:19 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure most people know they're related through this way. There's an entire prophecy revolving around Dovewing being related to Firestar, after all. They are, however, distantly related by blood, which isn't too surprising.
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Post by maqle on Nov 8, 2022 13:36:30 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure most people know they're related through this way. There's an entire prophecy revolving around Dovewing being related to Firestar, after all. They are, however, distantly related by blood, which isn't too surprising. I feel like we should acknowledge that more lol. The wc family tree made so much incest and so many problems it’s insane
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 8, 2022 13:50:24 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure most people know they're related through this way. There's an entire prophecy revolving around Dovewing being related to Firestar, after all. They are, however, distantly related by blood, which isn't too surprising. I feel like we should acknowledge that more lol. The wc family tree made so much incest and so many problems it’s insane I personally don't really care for it, especially since it's never once treated as an actual issue in-universe anyway. It's also pretty obvious the Erins just didn't think through the implications when they made inter-Clan relationships forbidden. Tigerheart is also the son of Tawnypelt, an already pretty prominent character, so it makes sense why Dovewing would've been paired off with him specifically compared to someone like, I don't know, Redwillow or something.
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Post by Jaysnow on Nov 8, 2022 13:51:58 GMT -5
They're distantly related but it's not like that's an issue with the characters. You got people like Hawkwing and Pebbleshine who are first cousins having kids so.
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Nov 8, 2022 14:22:29 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure most people know they're related through this way. There's an entire prophecy revolving around Dovewing being related to Firestar, after all. They are, however, distantly related by blood, which isn't too surprising. I feel like we should acknowledge that more lol. The wc family tree made so much incest and so many problems it’s insane There's really no point. It is just not an issue in the Warriors setting.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 8, 2022 14:35:17 GMT -5
they r second cousins once removed.
dovewing's mom is whitewing. whitewing's mom is brightheart. brightheart's father is lionheart. lionheart's sister is goldenflower. goldenflower's child is tawnypelt. tawnypelt is the mother of tigerstar II
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Post by Pixie on Nov 8, 2022 14:43:38 GMT -5
Laughs in Willowpelt and Patchpelt
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Nov 8, 2022 14:46:30 GMT -5
Laughs in Willowpelt and Patchpelt *Shudders*
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 9, 2022 0:08:44 GMT -5
Laughs in Willowpelt and Patchpelt Wasnt that retconned out
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 9, 2022 0:15:20 GMT -5
Laughs in Willowpelt and Patchpelt Wasnt that retconned out yeah they're canonically siblings now. graystripe (and darkstripe) nnow dont have canon dads [its not patchpelt lol]
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Post by maqle on Nov 17, 2022 16:20:45 GMT -5
I feel like we should acknowledge that more lol. The wc family tree made so much incest and so many problems it’s insane There's really no point. It is just not an issue in the Warriors setting. Well, nobody had a real problem with Onestar dating his former student, or Spottedleaf and Thistleclaw's relationship until he was revealed to be training in the DF
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 17, 2022 16:49:55 GMT -5
There's really no point. It is just not an issue in the Warriors setting. Well, nobody had a real problem with Onestar dating his former student, or Spottedleaf and Thistleclaw's relationship until he was revealed to be training in the DF I can assure that a lot of people (also on here), including myself, take issue with Thistleclaw's grooming of Spottedleaf when she was a kit/apprentice even without his training in the Dark Forest being taken into consideration. And Thistleclaw was revealed to train there during Crookedstar's Promise long before Spottedleaf's Heart even came out showcasing his alarming behaviour towards Spottedkit/paw anyways so I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make there. There were also people on here who had a problem when Onestar got together with his former apprentice Whitetail. That said, those who compared Onestar to Thistleclaw in this regard got rightfully corrected for it on here and in other spaces of the fandom because Onestar simply did not do the same things Thistleclaw did. He did not pursue Whitetail romantically or thought about her in such a way while still acting as an authority figure in her life unlike Thistleclaw who actively sought Spottedpaw out thus implying certain intentions. I will say though, that the scene of Onestar explicitedly thinking about Whitetail as his former apprentice in the same sentence as he is considering her romantically was very much unnecessary and felt highly uncomfortable. Edit: Wait, did I just write this whole thing out in regards to the overall forum perspective on OneWhite and ThistleSpotted (*shudders at having to even type out the "ship" name*) when you might have actually meant the in-universe reaction of other characters to these couples? If so, whoops.
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Post by maqle on Nov 17, 2022 19:37:46 GMT -5
Well, nobody had a real problem with Onestar dating his former student, or Spottedleaf and Thistleclaw's relationship until he was revealed to be training in the DF I can assure that a lot of people (also on here), including myself, take issue with Thistleclaw's grooming of Spottedleaf when she was a kit/apprentice even without his training in the Dark Forest being taken into consideration. And Thistleclaw was revealed to train there during Crookedstar's Promise long before Spottedleaf's Heart even came out showcasing his alarming behaviour towards Spottedkit/paw anyways so I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make there. There were also people on here who had a problem when Onestar got together with his former apprentice Whitetail. That said, those who compared Onestar to Thistleclaw in this regard got rightfully corrected for it on here and in other spaces of the fandom because Onestar simply did not do the same things Thistleclaw did. He did not pursue Whitetail romantically or thought about her in such a way while still acting as an authority figure in her life unlike Thistleclaw who actively sought Spottedpaw out thus implying certain intentions. I will say though, that the scene of Onestar explicitedly thinking about Whitetail as his former apprentice in the same sentence as he is considering her romantically was very much unnecessary and felt highly uncomfortable. Edit: Wait, did I just write this whole thing out in regards to the overall forum perspective on OneWhite and ThistleSpotted (*shudders at having to even type out the "ship" name*) when you might have actually meant the in-universe reaction of other characters to these couples? If so, whoops. In universe, though you did make a lot of good points! I just think, just because they dont acknowledge it in the books as wrong definitely doesnt mean it isnt wrong
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 18, 2022 4:12:31 GMT -5
I can assure that a lot of people (also on here), including myself, take issue with Thistleclaw's grooming of Spottedleaf when she was a kit/apprentice even without his training in the Dark Forest being taken into consideration. And Thistleclaw was revealed to train there during Crookedstar's Promise long before Spottedleaf's Heart even came out showcasing his alarming behaviour towards Spottedkit/paw anyways so I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make there. There were also people on here who had a problem when Onestar got together with his former apprentice Whitetail. That said, those who compared Onestar to Thistleclaw in this regard got rightfully corrected for it on here and in other spaces of the fandom because Onestar simply did not do the same things Thistleclaw did. He did not pursue Whitetail romantically or thought about her in such a way while still acting as an authority figure in her life unlike Thistleclaw who actively sought Spottedpaw out thus implying certain intentions. I will say though, that the scene of Onestar explicitedly thinking about Whitetail as his former apprentice in the same sentence as he is considering her romantically was very much unnecessary and felt highly uncomfortable. Edit: Wait, did I just write this whole thing out in regards to the overall forum perspective on OneWhite and ThistleSpotted (*shudders at having to even type out the "ship" name*) when you might have actually meant the in-universe reaction of other characters to these couples? If so, whoops. In universe, though you did make a lot of good points! I just think, just because they dont acknowledge it in the books as wrong definitely doesnt mean it isnt wrong Yeah, they could have definitely written things in SH better to make someone actually help Spottedpaw get away from Thistleclaw and hold him accountable for his behaviour around her. Featherwhisker (her medicine cat mentor) or Thrushpelt (her warrior mentor) already got scenes in her book to showcase them being worried about her but it's not explored enough imo. She still had to live in the same Clan with Thistleclaw until he finally went and got himself killed in that provoked battle with the RiverClan patrol. Imagine how easy would it have been for Bluefur/star to realize what's going on and protect Spottedpaw from even having to interact with Thistleclaw. Especially considering just how aware Bluestar was of Thistleclaw in her own SE, a portion of which even overlaps with Spottedleaf's novella timeline-wise (her taking the kits to Oakheart). But alas, the writing team somehow did not think it necessary to adress any of that while including such a serious topic in their battle cat children's book series so here we are. As for Onestar becoming mates with his former apprentice Whitetail and no cat in-universe caring about it, that's because it's just not being written to be frowned upon or anything like that as it typically is in real life. Also, wouldn't be the first or probably last time it happened either (just look at Sharpclaw x Cherrytail).
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 20, 2022 2:04:16 GMT -5
Squilf isn't related to Bramblestar via blood so that family line isn't incest, but I agree with the other lines.
Never really liked the pair anyways so it doesn't bother me much.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 20, 2022 2:17:49 GMT -5
Squilf isn't related to Bramblestar via blood so that family line isn't incest, but I agree with the other lines. Never really liked the pair anyways so it doesn't bother me much. back in the day, people thought redtail was sandstorms dad, which would make squirrelflight and brambleclaw 2nd cousins. but now sandstorm has no canon parents, so squirrel x bramble r no longer related as far as we know. i think its way too late to try and give sandstorm parents bc no matter who they pick from prequel material, they will more than likely make squirrel x bramble related and make more cats in thunderclan related to firekin than they already r lol
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 20, 2022 2:24:01 GMT -5
Squilf isn't related to Bramblestar via blood so that family line isn't incest, but I agree with the other lines. Never really liked the pair anyways so it doesn't bother me much. back in the day, people thought redtail was sandstorms dad, which would make squirrelflight and brambleclaw 2nd cousins. but now sandstorm has no canon parents, so squirrel x bramble r no longer related as far as we know. i think its way too late to try and give sandstorm parents bc no matter who they pick from prequel material, they will more than likely make squirrel x bramble related and make more cats in thunderclan related to firekin than they already r lol warrior cats is such a fun series to read /s
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Post by whitestormyaboi on Nov 20, 2022 8:28:13 GMT -5
Yes.. but very, VERY distantly.
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