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Post by wolfboyhunter on Oct 19, 2022 13:01:45 GMT -5
After the forum detailing the leaks for Sky, I would love to discuss with everyone theories and hopes for the next book!
First, a quick recap on where everyone leaves off for their last POVs in the book:
Nightheart; leaves ThunderClan in the night to join ShadowClan and be with Sunbeam. Frostpaw; Witnesses RiverClan and ShadowClan begin fighting. Sunbeam; Watches Tigerstar direct the RiverClan cats after RC loses the battle.
Now, as for what I somewhat expect (desperately hope) to happen:
Nightheart; Fails his assessment to get into Shadowclan. Sunbeam is mortified by the turn of events, but also, exhausted from the battle, doesn't find the energy to defend him as he runs away after panicking, becoming a loner. During his time as loner, he sucks at being alone, as he was never the best hunter. He pushes hard, eventually acknowledging his shitty behavior. He does not return to ThunderClan by the end, but we could perhaps have him Join WindClan by the end, assuming book four is Wind. We get to see turmoil there with a POV in WindClan, which would mean we get our first loner and WindClan POV in the main series. Frostpaw; Begins talking with Shadowsight, Puddleshine, and maybe the medicine cats of other Clans to help establish a connection that's more stable with StarClan. By the end of the book, she earns her full name. Also, just for fun, Mothwing Dies. I love you Mothwing but oh my God, you are ancient. With the connection, she also finally is able to choose a new leader. Sunbeam; Mildly discussed in the Nightheart hopes, but after, she decides to not pursue Nightheart. ShadowClan has too much going on and there isn't time for her to leave. We also get to see a civil war between those who support and those who dislike the code changes. Hopefully faster than slower. We end with a new ShadowClan leader. Would love to hear from anyone about their thoughts!
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Oct 19, 2022 13:18:42 GMT -5
Added some spoiler labels (via the actions option) since this thread is discussing plot points revealed on the spoiler thread for Sky. I really think Shadow might become one of the most interesting books in ASC considering that all three protagonists are involved with ShadowClan. Sunbeam because she is the ShadowClan PoV anyways obviously, Nightheart because he wants to join it and Frostpaw because RiverClan has essentially been taken over by Tigerstar.
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Post by wolfboyhunter on Oct 19, 2022 13:25:39 GMT -5
Added some spoiler labels (via the actions option) since this thread is discussing plot points revealed on the spoiler thread for Sky. I really think Shadow might become one of the most interesting books in ASC considering that all three protagonists are involved with ShadowClan. Sunbeam because she is the ShadowClan PoV anyways obviously, Nightheart because he wants to join it and Frostpaw because RiverClan has essentially been taken over by Tigerstar.
Very true, I hope she really is fully involved in Shadowclan; It would be a shame if she wasn't.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Oct 19, 2022 13:34:51 GMT -5
Added some spoiler labels (via the actions option) since this thread is discussing plot points revealed on the spoiler thread for Sky. I really think Shadow might become one of the most interesting books in ASC considering that all three protagonists are involved with ShadowClan. Sunbeam because she is the ShadowClan PoV anyways obviously, Nightheart because he wants to join it and Frostpaw because RiverClan has essentially been taken over by Tigerstar.
Very true, I hope she really is fully involved in Shadowclan; It would be a shame if she wasn't.
Yeah I mean, Sunbeam will be because of her mother Berryheart planning yet another ShadowClan rebellion, Frostpaw because she might get into trouble with Tigerstar due to her visions and Nightheart because he decided to join ShadowClan at a time of them being divided in regards to outsiders (again) and either fail his assessment to get in or be able to join and then make them mad somehow (ShadowClan cats just love getting mad after all).
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Post by wolfboyhunter on Oct 19, 2022 13:43:38 GMT -5
Very true, I hope she really is fully involved in Shadowclan; It would be a shame if she wasn't.
Yeah I mean, Sunbeam will be because of her mother Berryheart planning yet another ShadowClan rebellion, Frostpaw because she might get into trouble with Tigerstar due to her visions and Nightheart because he decided to join ShadowClan at a time of them being divided in regards to outsiders (again) and either fail his assessment to get in or be able to join and then make them mad somehow (ShadowClan cats just love getting mad after all).
No matter what, I still think we need to have a camera in WindClan for the book Wind, and I still hope it's Nightheart; whether he fails his assignment or not. WindClan cats seem to be even more strict with certain things than ThunderClan. If/when Nightheart returns though, it'd probably be in Thunder, where he then would be thrown hopefully into some interclan conflict related to Bramble's dementia/ptsd combo.
I hope he returns to ThunderClan with some respect.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Oct 19, 2022 14:28:30 GMT -5
Yeah I mean, Sunbeam will be because of her mother Berryheart planning yet another ShadowClan rebellion, Frostpaw because she might get into trouble with Tigerstar due to her visions and Nightheart because he decided to join ShadowClan at a time of them being divided in regards to outsiders (again) and either fail his assessment to get in or be able to join and then make them mad somehow (ShadowClan cats just love getting mad after all).
No matter what, I still think we need to have a camera in WindClan for the book Wind, and I still hope it's Nightheart; whether he fails his assignment or not. WindClan cats seem to be even more strict with certain things than ThunderClan. If/when Nightheart returns though, it'd probably be in Thunder, where he then would be thrown hopefully into some interclan conflict related to Bramble's dementia/ptsd combo.
I hope he returns to ThunderClan with some respect.
I mean, we didn't have a PoV from a SkyClan cat in Sky so there probably won't be a WindClan one for Wind (if that really will be the book title order they're going with). The last time we ever had a special PoV for one book was back in OotS with Flametail who died during it (Night Whispers). Something tells me there's a reason why this has not been repeated ever since then and probably won't get a repeat in the near future.
Nightheart temporarily going to WindClan might really be the only option but for that to even happen, WindClan would have to somehow be important for this arc's plot and seeing as SkyClan was not truly important in Sky despite the book's name (outside of the greencough storyline for like five minutes), I'm not sure WindClan will play any big part in ASC. But who knows, we'll see.
Either way, Nightheart's journey will most likely be about his personal growth as a character and in regards to him ultimately accepting his family legacy while also being true to himself in the end. At least that's what I think. He doesn't need to join every other Clan outside of ThunderClan temporarily (like Moth Flight did in her SE) to eventually realize that, in my opinion.
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Post by wolfboyhunter on Oct 19, 2022 15:29:05 GMT -5
No matter what, I still think we need to have a camera in WindClan for the book Wind, and I still hope it's Nightheart; whether he fails his assignment or not. WindClan cats seem to be even more strict with certain things than ThunderClan. If/when Nightheart returns though, it'd probably be in Thunder, where he then would be thrown hopefully into some interclan conflict related to Bramble's dementia/ptsd combo.
I hope he returns to ThunderClan with some respect.
I mean, we didn't have a PoV from a SkyClan cat in Sky so there probably won't be a WindClan one for Wind (if that really will be the book title order they're going with). The last time we ever had a special PoV for one book was back in OotS with Flametail who died during it (Night Whispers). Something tells me there's a reason why this has not been repeated ever since then and probably won't get a repeat in the near future.
Nightheart temporarily going to WindClan might really be the only option but for that to even happen, WindClan would have to somehow be important for this arc's plot and seeing as SkyClan was not truly important in Sky despite the book's name (outside of the greencough storyline for like five minutes), I'm not sure WindClan will play any big part in ASC. But who knows, we'll see.
Either way, Nightheart's journey will most likely be about his personal growth as a character and in regards to him ultimately accepting his family legacy while also being true to himself in the end. At least that's what I think. He doesn't need to join every other Clan outside of ThunderClan temporarily (like Moth Flight did in her SE) to eventually realize that, in my opinion.
Fair enough; I think I just want him there because WindClan has always been my favorite from the four. I just like the idea of there finally being a POV there in a main series entry.
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Post by 「Wιитεяичgнт」 on Oct 19, 2022 16:57:38 GMT -5
still hoping something happens that causes him to join WC Its a shame my worst fears are coming true. I dont want Sun x Night, and we dont need two ShC povs. Cant there be an arc where two protags dont end up together?
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Post by Feliidate_ on Oct 19, 2022 19:46:26 GMT -5
- Not exactly a prediction for Shadow, per se, but I really feel like Blazefire is going to die at some point within this arc. Maybe Lightleap, too. - The ThunderClan cats will probably start rallying for Bramblestar to step down, due to his obvious trauma and inability to lead. I think that he will eventually do so willingly - Splashtail will be revealed as a traitor / villain, and this will only further devastate Frostpaw’s mindset. I’m like 99.9% certain at this point that he was in on whatever happened to Reedwhisker and Curlfeather. - Spireclaw and Fringewhisker will consider leaving ShadowClan because of Berryheart’s harassment of them, potentially joining SkyClan instead. - Berryheart will be more direct with Tigerstar in terms of reflecting her disapproval of his leadership, and will likely try to rally his clan against him - if this happens, I do not doubt that he will be voted / forced out of his leadership position. Hopefully this means that we’ll get Cloverstar by the end of this arc, but who really knows at this point. - Lastly, I think that Owlnose will die. I just can’t see any other outcome for him with the way the plot is headed.
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Post by wolfboyhunter on Oct 19, 2022 20:06:30 GMT -5
- Not exactly a prediction for Shadow, per se, but I really feel like Blazefire is going to die at some point within this arc. Maybe Lightleap, too. - The ThunderClan cats will probably start rallying for Bramblestar to step down, due to his obvious trauma and inability to lead. I think that he will eventually do so willingly - Splashtail will be revealed as a traitor / villain, and this will only further devastate Frostpaw’s mindset. I’m like 99.9% certain at this point that he was in on whatever happened to Reedwhisker and Curlfeather. - Spireclaw and Fringewhisker will consider leaving ShadowClan because of Berryheart’s harassment of them, potentially joining SkyClan instead. - Berryheart will be more direct with Tigerstar in terms of reflecting her disapproval of his leadership, and will likely try to rally his clan against him - if this happens, I do not doubt that he will be voted / forced out of his leadership position. Hopefully this means that we’ll get Cloverstar by the end of this arc, but who really knows at this point. - Lastly, I think that Owlnose will die. I just can’t see any other outcome for him with the way the plot is headed.
Justice for Owlnose; I still want Minnowtail to become leader out of nowhere though lmao.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 19, 2022 21:57:30 GMT -5
*screaming and crying* lizardtail gets things to do and say and becomes relevant
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Post by wolfboyhunter on Oct 19, 2022 22:21:18 GMT -5
*screaming and crying* lizardtail gets things to do and say and becomes relevant Also would be a unique leader name; I just like Minnow lol. But I am on board with that idea.
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Post by angyfrog on Oct 19, 2022 22:24:47 GMT -5
OOhh boy predictions uhh let's see
(ShadowClan) -Sunbeam continues to flail over Blazefire, which in turn harms her "relationship" with Nightheart -Nightheart would begin to believe that Sunbeam is "using him" and assumes the worst, that or Nightheart realizes their relationship is hollow -Fringewhisker and Spireclaw leaving ShadowClan temporarily until things get better by being rogues or join SkyClan permanently -Nightheart gets casually harassed and bullied by Berryheart/her squad of boomers -Perhaps a nice bonding moment between Nightheart/Tawnypelt?
(RiverClan) -Mothwing continues to metaphorically strangle StarClan -Frostpaw finds out something she isn't supposed to in regard to Reedwhisker's death, or at least it's hinted at -Duskfur plans retaliation against ShadowClan, either by misleading cats to the known unstable rock shores or outright shoving cats into the river, someone dies here, and my guess is Snowbird or someone within the boomer squad so that Berryheart goes full-on confrontation mode with Tigertwo -Owlnose will be demoted from leader status while Splashtail remains deputy at the very least -Tigertwo loses a life before retreating
(ThunderClan) -Myrtlebloom spots Nightheart and tries to persuade him back to join TC, Nightheart gets irritated before becoming impulsively angry before acting out on Myrtlebloom accidentally harming her in the process, before being spotted by a TC patrol who tells Nightheart to back away, realizing what he's doing he runs back into SC territory -Sorrelstripe is rather upset finding out the news that Nightheart left TC without even a goodbye to her, before attempting to go find him on her own to have a 1-1 -Bramble and Squirrel both continue to get worse, before the clan ultimately decides the two need to be retired, both being rather unstable due to recent events and age -No idea who'd be leader tbh, so I wouldn't mind Stormcloud he seems like a good guy plus he isn't of Firekin, the deputy could be Ivypool due to her experience, though I'd like to see Thriftear being some importance
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 19, 2022 23:29:57 GMT -5
*screaming and crying* lizardtail gets things to do and say and becomes relevant Also would be a unique leader name; I just like Minnow lol. But I am on board with that idea.lizardtail deserves to be leader/deputy so much imo. im gonna cry if the entire arc goes by without them giving him a minor role. he needs SOMETHING to do or say at the VERY LEAST! him becoming a major character and ending up as leader would just be a bonus for me! I'LL TAKE ANYTHING LIZARDTAIL RELATED
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Oct 20, 2022 13:46:53 GMT -5
I’d be interested the Clan demoting both a leader and a deputy (probably TC, given what happened in Sky). From what I recall we haven’t seen that since Brokenstar (sInce Rowanstar and Tigerheart were still a leader and deputy when they were forced out) and I could see enough characters getting fed up with what’s happening there to say enough is enough and for choosing a new leader and a deputy. Especially when they find out what happened with Nightheart and a lot of it was Squirrelflight’s fault (even if she’s not entirely to blame). It might happen with Tigerstar as well, although there’s enough agreement to say that he had good intentions even though he didn’t go about it in the best way. Regardless, the next book should be interesting.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 20, 2022 19:52:32 GMT -5
Personally, I'd like the idea of him joining ShadowClan at first but obviously, things are terrible. He sees how they're treating RiverClan a few times and finds it weird. Also, Berryheart hates his guts, lol, and tries to take over the camp half of ShadowClan while the other warriors are in RiverClan camp. Sunbeam tries to protect Nightheart from any of Berryheart's wrath while the two of them are in a "hollow romance" together.
The two of them maybe run off and Frostpaw gets a sign, and the unexpected leader is either Sunbeam or Nightheart? Frostpaw leaves, and meanwhile, Duskfur starts a rebellion against Tigertwo. Drives them out once they're strong enough. So Tigertwo goes back to ShadowClan weakened, and Berryheart took over, and it's just a terrible situation.
Duskfur wants to become leader, but they can't do it without Frostpaw, and Frostpaw is out looking for Sunbeam and Nightheart, etc.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Oct 20, 2022 21:11:40 GMT -5
Personally, I'd like the idea of him joining ShadowClan at first but obviously, things are terrible. He sees how they're treating RiverClan a few times and finds it weird. Also, Berryheart hates his guts, lol, and tries to take over the camp half of ShadowClan while the other warriors are in RiverClan camp. Sunbeam tries to protect Nightheart from any of Berryheart's wrath while the two of them are in a "hollow romance" together.
The two of them maybe run off and Frostpaw gets a sign, and the unexpected leader is either Sunbeam or Nightheart? Frostpaw leaves, and meanwhile, Duskfur starts a rebellion against Tigertwo. Drives them out once they're strong enough. So Tigertwo goes back to ShadowClan weakened, and Berryheart took over, and it's just a terrible situation.
Duskfur wants to become leader, but they can't do it without Frostpaw, and Frostpaw is out looking for Sunbeam and Nightheart, etc. I don’t think it would be either of those two because neither of them have any experience with RC. The original Tigerstar at least spend some time with ShC before he became leader and got to know some of the others there. A lot of bets are on Frostpaw herself, and considering the emphasis on her, and her train of thought during Sky, I am willing to go with that. It would be the first time we’ve seen a medicine cat becoming leader, other than a temporary one, and the one time we had a medicine cat training to be a warrior, it was pretty brief on the former. Either that or it is someone who we haven’t or rarely seen, but I can’t think of anyone who fits that description.
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Post by soulheart on Oct 20, 2022 23:39:50 GMT -5
Not sure, if we'll get this in Shadow or some point after, but at this point I think it's fairly obvious we're getting Mothstar. She's definitely not the obvious choice. Bramble will most likely step down and maybe we'll get squirrelstar, but maybe she'll also retire bc of the theme I think they might be going for. I think Nightheart will also eventually come back to TC not only because it makes sense logically because NightSun is completely undeveloped, but also because I think they're intentionally portraying Nightheart as an edgy unlikable teen that makes a lot of rash decisions based on possibly justified rational, but later matures and realizes he's said a lot of hurtful things and apologizes. TC will likely apologize back for expecting him to be like Firestar and not accepting him for who he is, with Bramble retiring or giving up leadership and a "moving towards a bright new future" and "accepting change" theme for the arc. Also, I really just don't see how all the BrambleSquirrel stuff can work without a TC POV.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Oct 20, 2022 23:47:07 GMT -5
Not sure, if we'll get this in Shadow or some point after, but at this point I think it's fairly obvious we're getting Mothstar. She's definitely not the obvious choice. Bramble will most likely step down and maybe we'll get squirrelstar, but maybe she'll also retire bc of the theme I think they might be going for. I think Nightheart will also eventually come back to TC not only because it makes sense logically because NightSun is completely undeveloped, but also because I think they're intentionally portraying Nightheart as an edgy unlikable teen that makes a lot of rash decisions based on possibly justified rational, but later matures and realizes he's said a lot of hurtful things and apologizes. TC will likely apologize back for expecting him to be like Firestar and not accepting him for who he is, with Bramble retiring or giving up leadership and a "moving towards a bright new future" and "accepting change" theme for the arc. Also, I really just don't see how all the BrambleSquirrel stuff can work without a TC POV. I don’t see that happening either. The character has flat out stated they don’t want to lead, really old, and has gone through a lot of personal issues. It’s probably someone younger considering all the ties to the first arc, and the idea of a young leader taking charge in the time of turmoil would fit perfectly. I’m not sure who would be though.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 21, 2022 0:01:53 GMT -5
Not sure, if we'll get this in Shadow or some point after, but at this point I think it's fairly obvious we're getting Mothstar. She's definitely not the obvious choice. Bramble will most likely step down and maybe we'll get squirrelstar, but maybe she'll also retire bc of the theme I think they might be going for. I think Nightheart will also eventually come back to TC not only because it makes sense logically because NightSun is completely undeveloped, but also because I think they're intentionally portraying Nightheart as an edgy unlikable teen that makes a lot of rash decisions based on possibly justified rational, but later matures and realizes he's said a lot of hurtful things and apologizes. TC will likely apologize back for expecting him to be like Firestar and not accepting him for who he is, with Bramble retiring or giving up leadership and a "moving towards a bright new future" and "accepting change" theme for the arc. Also, I really just don't see how all the BrambleSquirrel stuff can work without a TC POV. I don’t see that happening either. The character has flat out stated they don’t want to lead, really old, and has gone through a lot of personal issues. It’s probably someone younger considering all the ties to the first arc, and the idea of a young leader taking charge in the time of turmoil would fit perfectly. I’m not sure who would be though. cats from bramblestar's storm & AVOS eras r not too old, not too young, and would be a good fit to lead riverclan.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 21, 2022 0:18:05 GMT -5
The prologue will be from either Tigerstar or Berryheart's PoV.
Frostpaw will get her full name (if not there, then almost certainly the book after it).
Nightheart will either go back to ThunderClan at some point or be back on decent terms with them by the end of the book.
Sunbeam will either reject Nightheart, she does agree to become his mate and the relationship falls apart, or they end up developing genuine feelings for each other over the course of the book.
Sunbeam will reconcile with Lightleap and/or Blazefire in some way.
A leader will be overthrown (hopefully Tigerstar, but maybe Bramblestar too, if only for the sake of retirement, though I can't see Squirrelflight succeeding him).
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 23, 2022 22:02:13 GMT -5
This isn’t really a prediction, but I really hope the prologue is from Tigerstar’s POV. I need to know what this man is thinking.
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 24, 2022 12:57:44 GMT -5
But Sky points out multiple times he's great at hunting.
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Post by ombredecorbeau2003 on Jan 4, 2023 22:23:15 GMT -5
For the deads in Shadow, I bet on Mothwing, Owlnose, Spireclaw, Snaketooth, Tawnypelt, Tigerstar (one life), Sorrelstripe, Berryheart, Sneezecloud and Harelight. Thornclaw calls for the resignation de Bramblestar et Squirrelflight become again leader and Lionblaze deputy but Thornclaw protest on the nepotism of Firestar's kin and suggests Ivypool like deputy. Later, ThunderClan, SkyClan, Berryheart and his supporters and RiverClan attack ShadowClan for overthrow Tigerstar but ShadowClan is helped by WindClan and the warriors's RiverClan pro-Tigerstar like Icewing and Harelight. Nightheart kills Berryheart, who persecuted him, and is nice, revealing her sadism. After the battle, Sunbeam break up with Nightheart and Bayshine and Myrtlebloom are angry with him for the dead's Sorrelstripe. Nightheart develops a hate on ThunderClan and ShadowClan. He try to kill Squirrelflight when she will go to Moonpool but Bramblestar sacrifices himself and dies. Squirrelflight become Squirrelstar. Nightheart takes control of RiverClan with the Kin and renames itself Flamestar : he want the clans to become one. Sunbeam is visited by Hollyleaf, who want to cancel the reforms of warrior code. Hollyleaf takes possession of Sunbeam, using the method's Firestar in A Light in the Mist, and become leader's ThunderClan, Hollystar. Hollystar / Sunbeam VS Flamestar : the twos wants overthrow the leaders but the firth want to cancel the reforms and the second want to unify the clans for really to permit the romantics relationships between clans. The SE's Ivypool will takes place after Shadow : we will see her as a lieutenant, she will be cold with Dovewing after the attack of ThunderClan on Tigerstar, her vision / her opinion on the reform of rule 1 of warrior code after what she lived with Dovewing / Tigerstar and Bristlefrost / Rootspring. I imagine the scenario : Hollyleaf takes possession of her body to become leader's ThunderClan, Hollystar, and to cancel the reform of warrior code on the rule 1 and Ivypool finds herself in the Dark Forest. Dovewing and Rootspring go to rescue her. The title will be Ivypool's Light. Ivypool reunites with Sparrowfeather and Maggottail and becomes embroiled in their conflict against Mapleshade and Thistleclaw. We will also see Frecklewish, Stumpytail and Berryheart in the Dark Forest. Hollystar, ThunderClan VS Flamestar, RiverClan : the twos wants overthrow the leaders but the firth want to cancel the reforms and the second want to unify the clans for really to permit the romantics relationships between clans.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Jan 4, 2023 22:30:34 GMT -5
ombredecorbeau2003 Hey those are great theories but sadly this thread is over a month old, so this would be considered necroposting which isn't allowed on the forums. If you'd like to create your own thread for shadow theories you just need to reply to five different threads before you can make your own. Also Welcome to the Forums! Sand
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Post by ombredecorbeau2003 on Jan 5, 2023 0:51:55 GMT -5
OK Thank you
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