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Post by *Faith* on Oct 18, 2022 16:43:21 GMT -5
Time to catch up: Everyone is being so harsh to poor Owlnose. And then he admits to the other Clans that StC didn't give him nine lives. Fidgetflake will be going to RC to help with the nine lives. Tigerstar claims he wants to help RC... by helping to lead them. Yeah... don't be like your grandfather, please.
Bramblestar thinks that Tigerstar has good intentions, while Squirrelflight doesn't. Then after talking with Nightheart he decides to send him spying to ShC. This is clearly what the article was referring towards about Night sneaking around. Nightheart decides to bring Bayshine.
A Birdwing mention when Fidgetflake said that he knows what it's like to lose a mother so young. I wonder whatever happened to her. Frostpaw briefly wonders if she has feelings for Splashtail, but then puts does thoughts aside because her Clan needs her way more. Also, Owlnose just wants to make everyone happy. Owlnose doesn't even want to be leader and I'm proud of him for admitting this.
Oh my gosh, Berryheart! You are trying to set Fringewhisker up. I can't believe you would stoop so low. Just leave the poor girl alone. Fringe is nothing like Darktail. I'm glad Sunbeam told her mother off.
Yeah, I understand why Bayshine wouldn't want to do this. It's not that surprising that he ended up telling Squirrelflight. And now his decision comes about leaving TC for ShC to be with Sunbeam.
I honestly don't care if Blazefire and Lightleap are mates as long as they're happy together.
Frostpaw thinking about being an ordinary warrior, being mates with Splashtail and a kit named after her mother is very interesting. And.. Tigerstar is here.
*Sigh* Oh, Nightheart. TC has no apprentices, which is why you need to do apprentice duties. There is no use getting mad at Squirrelflight for that. Poor Bayshine. I wonder what ShC will think coming back to Nightheart just being in their camp.
And now RC and ShC are fighting. This isn't good. At all...
Side note, Graypaw and Mistpaw being mistaken for warriors because of their size makes a whole lot of sense. They were born in leaf-bare. Sky starts at the tail end of leaf-fall. I don't know if it's still leaf-fall or already leaf-bare, but they are close to being 1. |
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 18, 2022 16:49:43 GMT -5
Nightheart moving to ShC is going to get so much hate from Berryheart and her supporters. Essentially, two of her kits are now in a relationship with a cat who was originally from another Clan. This won't end well... |
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 18, 2022 16:51:00 GMT -5
Anyways, thank you Hollyfall for the spoilers! |
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Post by Pixie on Oct 18, 2022 16:57:53 GMT -5
Nightheart moving to ShC is going to get so much hate from Berryheart and her supporters. Essentially, two of her kits are now in a relationship with a cat who was originally from another Clan. This won't end well... Perfect for Sunbeam and Nightheart to be front and center in the conflict, though. I think it makes sense from a narrative standpoint. |
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Post by Pixie on Oct 18, 2022 16:58:35 GMT -5
Yes, thanks for the spoilers, Hollyfall! I’m actually looking forward to this book because of how loopy it sounds. ;^)
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Oct 18, 2022 16:59:58 GMT -5
I got a theory lol also, do we have to mark things as spoilers in a thread that’s basically a spoiler thread? I don’t think Splash x Frost is going to happen. I’m pretty sure they’re going to have a falling out. I have a theory that Splashtail is trying to become the leader. He’s super nice to Frostpaw because of how she can benefit him. However, I definitely feel a betrayal coming. There have been subtle hints imo. It reminds me of the traitor arc in the second Survivors series where all the hints were subtle and building up and you could only tell who the traitor was if you were paying attention to the text.
Splashtail was apart of the patrol that lost Reedwhisker in the first book.
“Podlight was in the lead, followed by Fognose, Splashtail, and then Curlfeather.” (River pg 87)
He also tried to stop Frostpaw from going to the twolegplace to find Reedwhisker.
“Why would Reedwhisker have gone this way?” he (Splashtail) grumbled. “There’s not much prey in the twolegplace.” He added, in a voice just loud enough for Frostpaw to hear, “Mouse-brained apprentice!” (River pg 182)
He insulted her when she ended up doing something he didn’t like.
Anyways, the format for this is bad bc I’m doing this on mobile, but you get my gist. I think Splashtail is a traitor and is going to be a big part in the shifting of Frostpaw’s character arc.
Also, Frostpaw lover until I die <3 I know a lot of people said she felt like a camera in the first book, but I’ve always disagreed with that. I feel like she’s gonna become a new fave. The "Splashtail might be a villain/wants to become leader/is suspicious" theory has been going around ever since River came out. I thought he also had some sus moments in these Sky spoilers imo. Him and Frostpaw were said to be friends before she ever became a medicine cat apprentice btw. So I'm not too sure if he will be revealed to have always been using her based on that. Here is a poll thread about RiverClan's future leadership which Splashtail is currently in the lead on: wcrpforums.com/thread/89824/riverclans-next-leaderI still think Frostpaw felt like a camera in River but she has definitely improved in Sky based on her emotional turmoil and being put under so much pressure by her Clan and the narrative showing her vulnerability resulting from that. Some people have even speculated that Frostpaw might become like Goosefeather if this continues on and her visions turn out to be omens/warnings of death instead of actual prophecies from StarClan. |
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Post by ghostfang on Oct 18, 2022 17:00:10 GMT -5
I'm seeing quite a few parallels to the first arc. A Tigerstar taking over RiverClan, Bramblestar's mental state is similar to Bluestar's before she died, leaving Squilf to do most of the leader duties like how Fireheart did, and Nightheart leaving for ShadowClan because he hates how he's compared to his family, like what Tawnypelt did. |
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Post by deerspirit on Oct 18, 2022 17:04:38 GMT -5
This book sounds like a roller coaster of emotions. I still love Nightheart, Tigerstar, and Bramblestar and greatly dislike Squirrelflight, Sparkpelt, Finchlight, and Berryheart. I also don’t really care for Lightleap or Blazefire. I love both Splashtail and Owlnose. I also like Sunbeam and Frostpaw.
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Post by Pixie on Oct 18, 2022 17:10:10 GMT -5
I got a theory lol also, do we have to mark things as spoilers in a thread that’s basically a spoiler thread? I don’t think Splash x Frost is going to happen. I’m pretty sure they’re going to have a falling out. I have a theory that Splashtail is trying to become the leader. He’s super nice to Frostpaw because of how she can benefit him. However, I definitely feel a betrayal coming. There have been subtle hints imo. It reminds me of the traitor arc in the second Survivors series where all the hints were subtle and building up and you could only tell who the traitor was if you were paying attention to the text.
Splashtail was apart of the patrol that lost Reedwhisker in the first book.
“Podlight was in the lead, followed by Fognose, Splashtail, and then Curlfeather.” (River pg 87)
He also tried to stop Frostpaw from going to the twolegplace to find Reedwhisker.
“Why would Reedwhisker have gone this way?” he (Splashtail) grumbled. “There’s not much prey in the twolegplace.” He added, in a voice just loud enough for Frostpaw to hear, “Mouse-brained apprentice!” (River pg 182)
He insulted her when she ended up doing something he didn’t like.
Anyways, the format for this is bad bc I’m doing this on mobile, but you get my gist. I think Splashtail is a traitor and is going to be a big part in the shifting of Frostpaw’s character arc.
Also, Frostpaw lover until I die <3 I know a lot of people said she felt like a camera in the first book, but I’ve always disagreed with that. I feel like she’s gonna become a new fave. The "Splashtail might be a villain/wants to become leader/is suspicious" theory has been going around ever since River came out. I thought he also had some sus moments in these Sky spoilers imo. Him and Frostpaw were said to be friends before she ever became a medicine cat apprentice btw. So I'm not too sure if he will be revealed to have always been using her based on that. Here is a poll thread about RiverClan's future leadership which Splashtail is currently in the lead on: wcrpforums.com/thread/89824/riverclans-next-leaderI still think Frostpaw felt like a camera in River but she has definitely improved in Sky based on her emotional turmoil and being put under so much pressure by her Clan and the narrative showing her vulnerability resulting from that. Some people have even speculated that Frostpaw might become like Goosefeather if this continues on and her visions turn out to be omens/warnings of death instead of actual prophecies from StarClan. Honestly, that’s on me because I don’t scroll through every thread, but I’ll delve into this one. I’m surprised I haven’t before. |
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Oct 18, 2022 17:17:08 GMT -5
The "Splashtail might be a villain/wants to become leader/is suspicious" theory has been going around ever since River came out. I thought he also had some sus moments in these Sky spoilers imo. Him and Frostpaw were said to be friends before she ever became a medicine cat apprentice btw. So I'm not too sure if he will be revealed to have always been using her based on that. Here is a poll thread about RiverClan's future leadership which Splashtail is currently in the lead on: wcrpforums.com/thread/89824/riverclans-next-leaderI still think Frostpaw felt like a camera in River but she has definitely improved in Sky based on her emotional turmoil and being put under so much pressure by her Clan and the narrative showing her vulnerability resulting from that. Some people have even speculated that Frostpaw might become like Goosefeather if this continues on and her visions turn out to be omens/warnings of death instead of actual prophecies from StarClan. Honestly, that’s on me because I don’t scroll through every thread, but I’ll delve into this one. I’m surprised I haven’t before. That's totally understandable. I just thought it might interest you that the "Splashtail is sus" club is already in existence and waiting for his character to...well, be more sus lol. |
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Post by littleclevergem123 on Oct 18, 2022 17:39:37 GMT -5
i really hope nightheart gets better now that they don't have every cat being OOC in ThunderClan just for his story, but idk. from this he doesn't sound good imo, and i did like him in river.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 18, 2022 17:49:56 GMT -5
i really hope nightheart gets better now that they don't have every cat being OOC in ThunderClan just for his story, but idk. from this he doesn't sound good imo, and i did like him in river. It's probably best to read the book once it's fully out, and people can form their own opinions. Once I read River I was a bit more chill on certain characters, and I'll probably be the same with Sky. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 18, 2022 17:52:25 GMT -5
I don't see how Tigerstar II is being a villain. Is he making a bad decision? Yes. But he's not doing this maliciously. He really thinks that he's helping RiverClan here. His methods are... questionable. But I don't hate him, at all. He's grieving and grief makes you think and do dumb things. He's in the anger phase, he'll through it eventually. I keep seeing people defend Tigerstar (a few people on Tumblr are doing it as well and I can't tell if they're being sarcastic or not), and I don't know, I just can't agree with this take. Yeah, he's grieving and has good intentions, but speaking as someone who loves Clear Sky of all cats, that doesn't give him the right to invade. At best, RiverClan has now become a puppet state now, with Owlnose still technically being in charge, but under Tigerstar's paw. And they clearly need help, but it
just seems like ever since he became leader, Tigerstar's answer to everything is to be as forceful as possible.
Maybe it's because I'm also both a history nerd as well as having had ancestors whose lands were invaded by conquistadors on both sides of the family, but saying Tigerstar isn't being a villain in this situation just leaves a really bad taste in my mouth (not saying you meant to offend, of course!). And it's clearly going to be temporary in this case anyway, but it doesn't make it any less unsettling.
My point is, he can have all the good intentions he wants and still be a villain. There's a reason why the expression "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" exists. |
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Post by littleclevergem123 on Oct 18, 2022 18:02:05 GMT -5
i really hope nightheart gets better now that they don't have every cat being OOC in ThunderClan just for his story, but idk. from this he doesn't sound good imo, and i did like him in river. It's probably best to read the book once it's fully out, and people can form their own opinions. Once I read River I was a bit more chill on certain characters, and I'll probably be the same with Sky. I mean i do still read the books when i get them- but tbh the chapter that was officaly released was already annoying me for nightheart. i just don't think i'll like him- but it is also only book 2 so he could get better like other POV did. but he could also get even worst- guess i'll maybe change my mind on him later on. |
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Post by angyfrog on Oct 18, 2022 18:18:29 GMT -5
Gawd DAM, I get Tigertwo wants to help but you can't help people who don't *want* help, otherwise nothing will get done and everything will be half-hearted, I really hope River comes up with a plan to chase out Shadow because they honestly have no right to stay there at all, poor Frostpaw though going a thousand miles an hour, glad Nightheart's intention w his relationship with Sunbeam is hallow, or I guess "he didn't expect relationships to be so time-consuming" or something along the lines, Sunbeam please stop thinking about Blazefire every time you see the guy girl please |
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Post by ⛇ 𝔥𝔞𝔩𝔣𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 ⛇ on Oct 18, 2022 18:33:59 GMT -5
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Post by tybaxel on Oct 18, 2022 18:42:02 GMT -5
thank you for sharing the chapters!
nightheart is so terrible. that's all i have to say about that.
i know tigerstar has good intentions but dear god this was not the way to go about it. he had no need to take all of his warriors lol.
i think frostpaw questioning her position as a medicine cat is starting to set up for her going down the warrior path and eventually becoming leader or something, if that's the way they are going to go...idk if that is what i would like to see though |
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 18, 2022 19:11:09 GMT -5
My thoughts: Overall it's a 3/10 at best. This book was practically a chore to get through and just...such a drag. The only reason it's getting a 3 is because Frostpaw's chapters were actually enjoyable and a lot of RiverClan background characters are getting development. Otherwise, this is quite possibly one of the weakest books in the series and Frostpaw's chapters carried the whole thing. I also found it paced better than River was.
I like Frostpaw tremendously more now and seeing more chaos in RiverClan. Poor Owlnose is doing his best and obviously doesn't want to be leader. Then...Tigerstar. God. I think they're trying to go for an ambigious "Does he have good intentions or does he intend to take over?" but if that's the case it's poorly executed. He rocks up in RiverClan and basically subjugates them into his authority while forcing Owlnose to remain a puppet leader for this new vassal Clan of his. The constant flip-flopping of his character is tiresome. He's grieving for his son, which I sympathize with, but the fact that he insinuates it's RiverClan's fault for not giving them catmint is absurd. The RiverClan plotline has taken a turn and at this point it's the arc's only saving grace.
RiverClan...actually has notable background characters? It's interesting to see their dynamics. Duskfur is outspoken, but it's clear she loves Frostpaw. Mallownose and Sneezecloud seem to be stubborn, and Shimmerpelt is argumentative. Poor Owlnose deserves the world. Splashtail's a nice guy, though I don't expect him to remain deputy. I also enjoyed that all of them stood together against ShadowClan at the end. Definitely a highlight of the book as it gives the vast majority of them actual distinct traits and not background fodder.
At this point I don't care for Sunbeam or Nightheart. I genuinely do not care enough about Sunbeam's romantic life and I despise that it's what's running her plotline. The plotline in ShadowClan with Berryheart and co is cool though. I feel Berryheart's turning into one of those conspiracy theorists "THEY'RE PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER TURNING THE FROGS GAY" but instead it's directed to poor Fringewhisker. I will say that Sunbeam is a good sister to Spireclaw and good morals.
I feel bad for Nightheart but at the same time I feel he's just being unnessarily rude to cats. I genuinely cannot tell whether they're thinking his actions can be justified or he's an unreliable narrator. The fact that Ashfur treated him poorly answers some things, and it's interesting to know that from Nightheart's perspective. Yet he's treating other cats poorly, blowing everything out of proportion (god forbid he do apprentice duties) and it's very hard to like him, I'm finding. I want to enjoy his character, I really do, but he's just so...frustrating? Yes being compared to Firestar constantly is annoying, but for the love of god Nightheart just because Squirrelflight didn't want you going on a secret mission because you're inexperienced is not something to take personally.
Other like the obvious mistakes (in one of Sunbeam's chapters several she-cats are called toms, for one), Bramblestar and Squirrelflight arguing yet again, and it seriously feels like the editors are just writing previously established characters differently for the sake of the plot as opposed to their...actual character? Hardly anyone is particularly likable aside from RiverClan, Bayshine, Spireclaw, and Fringewhisker. Perhaps some select others, but not a whole lot. tl;dr: Frostpaw's chapters are the only reason why I even finished the book. Overall it feels very lackluster and things happening just for the sake of happening. Owlnose deserves better. |
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 18, 2022 19:14:24 GMT -5
Thank you for posting these spoilers, Hollyfall! They were excellent to read. <3
That ending was really something. I don't understand what was going through Tigerstar II's mental processes when he decided that taking 90% of his Clan to go "help" RiverClan wouldn't lead to a war, especially when RiverClan already didn't want help. I'm so interested in seeing what happens in Shadow. |
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Post by angyfrog on Oct 18, 2022 19:15:11 GMT -5
My thoughts: Overall it's a 3/10 at best. This book was practically a chore to get through and just...such a drag. The only reason it's getting a 3 is because Frostpaw's chapters were actually enjoyable and a lot of RiverClan background characters are getting development. Otherwise, this is quite possibly one of the weakest books in the series and Frostpaw's chapters carried the whole thing. I also found it paced better than River was.
I like Frostpaw tremendously more now and seeing more chaos in RiverClan. Poor Owlnose is doing his best and obviously doesn't want to be leader. Then...Tigerstar. God. I think they're trying to go for an ambigious "Does he have good intentions or does he intend to take over?" but if that's the case it's poorly executed. He rocks up in RiverClan and basically subjugates them into his authority while forcing Owlnose to remain a puppet leader for this new vassal Clan of his. The constant flip-flopping of his character is tiresome. He's grieving for his son, which I sympathize with, but the fact that he insinuates it's RiverClan's fault for not giving them catmint is absurd. The RiverClan plotline has taken a turn and at this point it's the arc's only saving grace.
RiverClan...actually has notable background characters? It's interesting to see their dynamics. Duskfur is outspoken, but it's clear she loves Frostpaw. Mallownose and Sneezecloud seem to be stubborn, and Shimmerpelt is argumentative. Poor Owlnose deserves the world. Splashtail's a nice guy, though I don't expect him to remain deputy. I also enjoyed that all of them stood together against ShadowClan at the end. Definitely a highlight of the book as it gives the vast majority of them actual distinct traits and not background fodder.
At this point I don't care for Sunbeam or Nightheart. I genuinely do not care enough about Sunbeam's romantic life and I despise that it's what's running her plotline. The plotline in ShadowClan with Berryheart and co is cool though. I feel Berryheart's turning into one of those conspiracy theorists "THEY'RE PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER TURNING THE FROGS GAY" but instead it's directed to poor Fringewhisker. I will say that Sunbeam is a good sister to Spireclaw and good morals.
I feel bad for Nightheart but at the same time I feel he's just being unnessarily rude to cats. I genuinely cannot tell whether they're thinking his actions can be justified or he's an unreliable narrator. The fact that Ashfur treated him poorly answers some things, and it's interesting to know that from Nightheart's perspective. Yet he's treating other cats poorly, blowing everything out of proportion (god forbid he do apprentice duties) and it's very hard to like him, I'm finding. I want to enjoy his character, I really do, but he's just so...frustrating? Yes being compared to Firestar constantly is annoying, but for the love of god Nightheart just because Squirrelflight didn't want you going on a secret mission because you're inexperienced is not something to take personally.
Other like the obvious mistakes (in one of Sunbeam's chapters several she-cats are called toms, for one), Bramblestar and Squirrelflight arguing yet again, and it seriously feels like the editors are just writing previously established characters differently for the sake of the plot as opposed to their...actual character? Hardly anyone is particularly likable aside from RiverClan, Bayshine, Spireclaw, and Fringewhisker. Perhaps some select others, but not a whole lot. tl;dr: Frostpaw's chapters are the only reason why I even finished the book. Overall it feels very lackluster and things happening just for the sake of happening. Owlnose deserves better. So based and true about Berryheart, she really has that energy |
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 18, 2022 19:16:25 GMT -5
I got mixed up. Should be fixed. Sunbeam is 18, Frostpaw 19, Nightheart 20, Frostpaw 21, and Sunbeam 22. I really hope me pointing this out did not come off as rude or anything as that was not my intention. Quite the opposite! I appreciate it. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 18, 2022 19:17:05 GMT -5
Thank you for posting these spoilers, Hollyfall! They were excellent to read. <3
That ending was really something. I don't understand what was going through Tigerstar II's mental processes when he decided that taking 90% of his Clan to go "help" RiverClan wouldn't lead to a war, especially when RiverClan already didn't want help I'm so interesting in seeing what happens in Shadow. I'm actually wondering if the prologue for Shadow will be from his perspective and show his mindset. |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 18, 2022 19:51:26 GMT -5
why tf was this called Sky
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 18, 2022 20:10:40 GMT -5
why tf was this called Sky Seriously. At least the title “River” made sense… |
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 18, 2022 20:18:26 GMT -5
why tf was this called Sky the closest i can think of is because Fidgetflake played a semi-important role lmao |
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Post by platinum blond death on Oct 18, 2022 20:21:02 GMT -5
yeesh tigerstar is making some bad, bad decisions here. poor riverclan is being taken advantage of. even if tigerstar has good intentions it's still a power grab of sorts.
on a similar note i wish they kept tigerstar consistent.
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Post by littleclevergem123 on Oct 18, 2022 20:26:31 GMT -5
I would think this would be a better book to be called shadow or thunder then sky lol
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Post by wolfboyhunter on Oct 18, 2022 21:01:38 GMT -5
Thank you for the leaks! As for thoughts for Shadow, I hope we kick Nightheart into being a better person by having him fail his assignment, and because he burned every ThunderClan bridge, he becomes a loner for a bit. He comes back in the last book to see Thunderclan, off screan, became a mess. He, during his time as loner, became a more mature guy in my mental desires, so he helps keep Bramble on his rocker and finally stops being a bitch, lol. Anyway this is certainly a book!
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Post by Hazelstrike on Oct 18, 2022 21:03:35 GMT -5
skyclan staying mvp as most logical clan out there.
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Post by ᴋᴀᴛɴɪꜱꜱ on Oct 18, 2022 21:42:38 GMT -5
I think it would be hilarious if Nightheart fails the trial to join Shadowclan and has to go back to Thunderclan and beg for forgiveness. That or he ends ups becoming a rogue, or joining Riverclan and becomes leader. |
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