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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 29, 2022 10:54:24 GMT -5
I saw the original MAP call of this floating around a while ago and am quite excited to see the finished result due to the interesting concept. Here is the premise taken from the video description: AU in which cats who die from a fast spreading sickness become mindless, flesh-hungry zombies. The clans dig a giant hole to dispose of the zombies and keep them away from the camps. Longtail is Thunderclan’s designated zombie handler.
Soon the hole overflows and the zombies begin to attack. There are many fatalities including Firestar, both Greystripe and Whitestorm are already dead, making Longtail the next Thunderclan Leader. However when he goes to receive his 9 lives from Starclan, nobody is there to grant them. The ghosts of his loved ones are trapped inside their zombie selves.
Filled with determination, Longtail, now unofficially Longstar, must get all 4 clans to work together to stop the zombies for good. They devise a plan to lure them into a valley, blocking their exit with a tree. Swiftpaw, the fastest cat in all the clans leads them as bait, but the tree falls too early and crushes him instead.
The plan has failed, the clan cats are overwhelmed, Longstar watches as his allies and clanmates fall around him, until he too is mauled.
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Post by angyfrog on Aug 29, 2022 11:21:15 GMT -5
Funny enough a lot of WC content I consume would be from MAPS, granted while not all of them display every little detail correctly I do find these gems extremely interesting, while the concept itself has been done so many times before (FandomXZombies go brrr) This would be one of the very few MAPS that's just sad, no good happens, you see a small little light of hope before it vanishes and all is lost
I mean the situation itself is just, grim? I guess that would be a way to put it, first Longtail yeets someone into the pit, then the time he comes back he's gotta send both Whitestorm and Graystripe to the pit, then is made deputy, only for Firestar to get yoinked right there, then HE gets yeeted, poor guy has little to no time to grieve, then once he reaches StarClan no one is there, no warrior, no leader, not even a kit, no one to recognize him as a leader or even to give a single life, so he has to completely rely on what his gut's telling him, and with how limited resources are the guy has to send his own apprentice to lead the charge only to witness his own death before meeting his own, I do like the end bit where Swiftpaw does successfully become a "StarClan" cat, though I can't help that his situation is bittersweet sure he DIED by not getting maimed, the guy lost his life and now has to roam around endlessly alone, it's clear he isn't all too happy about it himself
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 29, 2022 11:28:50 GMT -5
angyfrog Apparently Swiftpaw is not even safe in StarClan according to the pinned comment on the video.
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Post by angyfrog on Aug 29, 2022 11:29:35 GMT -5
My guy is about to die twice, lol
That was meant to be a quote but whoops
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 29, 2022 11:32:19 GMT -5
angyfrog Who really knows. Maybe there will be a sequel some day set in this depressing universe.
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Post by angyfrog on Aug 29, 2022 11:35:00 GMT -5
BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ I sure hope so, makes me wonder who else we'll focus on next and if they'll win the lottery of getting maimed by a loved one
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 29, 2022 11:37:30 GMT -5
angyfrog Perhaps the next MAP for this AU could be a survivor group making it out alive and building Clan society back up at the end to give this a more hopeful ending. Or it even becomes a trilogy and the zombification cycle just repeats until eternity. Everyone and everything just seems so doomed as of now.
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Post by angyfrog on Aug 29, 2022 11:43:38 GMT -5
BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ Personally I wouldn't mind some hope or a ray of sunshine, as long as there are worthwhile meaningful sacrifices, just so things aren't too well off, though I'd like to see Longtail make it into StarClan overall, assuming the poor guy is able to even go there after all of this
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 29, 2022 11:51:22 GMT -5
angyfrog Agreed. I'm just a sucker for happy endings in general so this was rather painful to watch for me personally. As for Longtail, I don't think he made it. He was mauled and shown to become a zombie that split second right before the end credits came on.
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Post by angyfrog on Aug 29, 2022 11:58:05 GMT -5
BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ My man got yoinked and will more than likely come back later and screw things over last second, that or someone hesitates to take him out...Assuming that these guys can be taken out in the first place, I'd assume so to some degree unless their attention span is severely short and they just charge at whatever coughs 10 feet away, that would make sense seeing how in the one scene they're all going at Firestar only, tbh I'm surprised none of them barraged the meddie den on the spot, Cinderpelt's doing work
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 29, 2022 12:04:22 GMT -5
angyfrog I still feel bad for Firestar in this. He was supposed to be special and still got wrecked by a whole mob of zombies. Speaking of Cinderpelt though she technically would still be alive at this point since the final zombie battle in this video did not take place in any Clan camp but in the zombie pit area instead. Hopefully she will be the next MAP protagonist if this AU ever continues.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 29, 2022 12:11:15 GMT -5
It's a neat idea and I appreciate its dedication to grimness (and the job of the animators in showing off said grimness). That said, I really don't understand what exactly the plan was even if Swiftpaw had run ahead of the tree. One of the comments below says that cats would have guarded the tree to keep the zombies from climbing over it, but then why weren't they doing that anyway? Swiftpaw being hit by the tree does nothing to affect that. Why even time the treefall if the plan was just to create a defensible point to fight from, just drop the tree immediately, let Swiftpaw onto it, and then beat the zombies back.
The lack of clarity I think is a weakness of the MAP, because I can't tell if Longtail's plan is just meant to be a dumb idea that was always going to fail, if it was a good idea that only failed due to unforeseen circumstances, or some combination thereof.
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Post by angyfrog on Aug 29, 2022 12:14:31 GMT -5
BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ I honestly wouldn't mind seeing Cinderpelt take charge, but I doubt that'll happen since there's no Leafpool in this AU that means no extra help and I'd imagine Yellowfang is dead at this point unless she was in the background and I just didn't see her, as weird as it is I wouldn't mind seeing Darkstripe be of some importance? I mean the guy is beyond just terrible ofc canonically speaking, but it's gotta sting seeing your former apprentice get canned, but it's a bit difficult to tell who's alive and who isn't unless shown directly since the zombie designs IMO mesh together a bit too much, that and it's a bit difficult to tell what events happened and what didn't, since to my knowledge there's no known "date" on when this started to happen or if it's been happening this entire time, then again Blackfoot is leader so, probably safe to assume all that Tigerstar nonsense is done by now
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 29, 2022 12:17:48 GMT -5
It's a neat idea and I appreciate its dedication to grimness (and the job of the animators in showing off said grimness). That said, I really don't understand what exactly the plan was even if Swiftpaw had run ahead of the tree. One of the comments below says that cats would have guarded the tree to keep the zombies from climbing over it, but then why weren't they doing that anyway? Swiftpaw being hit by the tree does nothing to affect that. Why even time the treefall if the plan was just to create a defensible point to fight from, just drop the tree immediately, let Swiftpaw onto it, and then beat the zombies back. The lack of clarity I think is a weakness of the MAP, because I can't tell if Longtail's plan is just meant to be a dumb idea that was always going to fail, if it was a good idea that only failed due to unforeseen circumstances, or some combination thereof. Not sure if you already saw that or not but this is the part in the video description about the plan: Filled with determination, Longtail, now unofficially Longstar, must get all 4 clans to work together to stop the zombies for good. They devise a plan to lure them into a valley, blocking their exit with a tree. Swiftpaw, the fastest cat in all the clans leads them as bait, but the tree falls too early and crushes him instead.
The plan has failed, the clan cats are overwhelmed, Longstar watches as his allies and clanmates fall around him, until he too is mauled.Was the comment about a few cats guarding the tree made by the MAP host or one of the participants? Because to me it seemed as if the alive cats did not know and were surprised by the zombie cats being able to climb over it.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 29, 2022 12:23:09 GMT -5
BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ I honestly wouldn't mind seeing Cinderpelt take charge, but I doubt that'll happen since there's no Leafpool in this AU that means no extra help and I'd imagine Yellowfang is dead at this point unless she was in the background and I just didn't see her, as weird as it is I wouldn't mind seeing Darkstripe be of some importance? I mean the guy is beyond just terrible ofc canonically speaking, but it's gotta sting seeing your former apprentice get canned, but it's a bit difficult to tell who's alive and who isn't unless shown directly since the zombie designs IMO mesh together a bit too much, that and it's a bit difficult to tell what events happened and what didn't, since to my knowledge there's no known "date" on when this started to happen or if it's been happening this entire time, then again Blackfoot is leader so, probably safe to assume all that Tigerstar nonsense is done by now I think we'll honestly just have to wait and see at this point. But since there was a to be continued at the end of the video, I'm sure it will all be clearer by then. During the shot with the leaders, Tallstar was missing though and it looked like Onestar was in his place. So Deadfoot must've been zombified as well by that point. But then Swiftpaw still being alive during all of this doesn't make much sense either timeline-wise. So this is it's own timeline at this point or even a parallel universe with events shifted around to fit the storytelling.
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Post by angyfrog on Aug 29, 2022 12:27:54 GMT -5
BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ Guess you could say Deadfoot really became Deadfoot thank you I'll be here all week Hopefully, things become much more clear when the continuation is announced, can't wait for it tbh
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 29, 2022 14:22:04 GMT -5
It's a neat idea and I appreciate its dedication to grimness (and the job of the animators in showing off said grimness). That said, I really don't understand what exactly the plan was even if Swiftpaw had run ahead of the tree. One of the comments below says that cats would have guarded the tree to keep the zombies from climbing over it, but then why weren't they doing that anyway? Swiftpaw being hit by the tree does nothing to affect that. Why even time the treefall if the plan was just to create a defensible point to fight from, just drop the tree immediately, let Swiftpaw onto it, and then beat the zombies back. The lack of clarity I think is a weakness of the MAP, because I can't tell if Longtail's plan is just meant to be a dumb idea that was always going to fail, if it was a good idea that only failed due to unforeseen circumstances, or some combination thereof. Not sure if you already saw that or not but this is the part in the video description about the plan: Filled with determination, Longtail, now unofficially Longstar, must get all 4 clans to work together to stop the zombies for good. They devise a plan to lure them into a valley, blocking their exit with a tree. Swiftpaw, the fastest cat in all the clans leads them as bait, but the tree falls too early and crushes him instead.
The plan has failed, the clan cats are overwhelmed, Longstar watches as his allies and clanmates fall around him, until he too is mauled.Was the comment about a few cats guarding the tree made by the MAP host or one of the participants? Because to me it seemed as if the alive cats did not know and were surprised by the zombie cats being able to climb over it. It was in the comment section. Which implies that they knew the zombies could climb the tree. But then it begs the question of why the cats didn't just stop them from climbing over it if it was part of the plan
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 29, 2022 14:36:39 GMT -5
vectoring34 Oh, I see. Ah well, then I suppose it's a plothole or an inconsistency in the storyboard.
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Post by halogen on Aug 29, 2022 16:17:18 GMT -5
Great animation, but it seems like a rather pointless story - it's just bad things happen that no one can control, and none of the characters have any interesting reaction to the bad things happening. I don't mind a story being grim but there has to be some interest to hold in how the characters react to the horrors or the character's actions causing it in the first place. It kind of reminds me of that Sol Map where the sun disappears - what even is the point, the world is doomed and no one can do anything meaningful about it, and no one even does anything interesting while they are realizing they are doomed.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 29, 2022 16:24:37 GMT -5
Great animation, but it seems like a rather pointless story - it's just bad things happen that no one can control, and none of the characters have any interesting reaction to the bad things happening. I don't mind a story being grim but there has to be some interest to hold in how the characters react to the horrors or the character's actions causing it in the first place. It kind of reminds me of that Sol Map where the sun disappears - what even is the point, the world is doomed and no one can do anything meaningful about it, and no one even does anything interesting while they are realizing they are doomed. I mean, Longtail literally tried to do something about the looming zombie threat in this MAP. And also, I'm very sure that the creator of this AU had a plan while creating this concept considering there is a to be continued after the post credit scene with Swiftpaw becoming a ghost instead of being a zombie. So, either there is hope in the next MAP featuring this premise or the point really is to tell a story with no happy ending.
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Post by Bristleflight-bristlefrost! on Aug 29, 2022 17:00:25 GMT -5
I really liked it. Also think they did not stop them because they were all in shock and many underestimate there own strength
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 29, 2022 17:08:45 GMT -5
I really liked it. Also think they did not stop them because they were all in shock and many underestimate there own strength It's a valid explanation, in which case the plan was theoretically a good one, it's just that Longtail failed to (or was unable to?) train them enough to execute the plan well.
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Post by cable on Aug 29, 2022 17:41:00 GMT -5
I really liked it. Also think they did not stop them because they were all in shock and many underestimate there own strength It's a valid explanation, in which case the plan was theoretically a good one, it's just that Longtail failed to (or was unable to?) train them enough to execute the plan well. i think this is the best explanation. its one thing to tell people theyre going to be fighting undead mockeries of their loved ones who will try to brutally murder them, its another for them to actually be facing the horde down. i imagine swiftpaw getting crushed was also a shock that could have been another blow to morale and caused more panic, which lead to the plan to create a defensable position falling apart. they likely had the strength to execute this plan (given the infection doesnt seem to spread through wounds? if it did, fighting would be an absolute no-go), its just that longtail failed to mentally brace them for what they were facing.
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Post by halogen on Aug 29, 2022 18:56:33 GMT -5
Great animation, but it seems like a rather pointless story - it's just bad things happen that no one can control, and none of the characters have any interesting reaction to the bad things happening. I don't mind a story being grim but there has to be some interest to hold in how the characters react to the horrors or the character's actions causing it in the first place. It kind of reminds me of that Sol Map where the sun disappears - what even is the point, the world is doomed and no one can do anything meaningful about it, and no one even does anything interesting while they are realizing they are doomed. I mean, Longtail literally tried to do something about the looming zombie threat in this MAP. And also, I'm very sure that the creator of this AU had a plan while creating this concept considering there is a to be continued after the post credit scene with Swiftpaw becoming a ghost instead of being a zombie. So, either there is hope in the next MAP featuring this premise or the point really is to tell a story with no happy ending. Maybe it's just a flaw of the format of a MAP which is only a few minutes long, there really isn't much time to add depth to your story and characters so it just all seems pointless.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 30, 2022 10:49:54 GMT -5
I mean, Longtail literally tried to do something about the looming zombie threat in this MAP. And also, I'm very sure that the creator of this AU had a plan while creating this concept considering there is a to be continued after the post credit scene with Swiftpaw becoming a ghost instead of being a zombie. So, either there is hope in the next MAP featuring this premise or the point really is to tell a story with no happy ending. Maybe it's just a flaw of the format of a MAP which is only a few minutes long, there really isn't much time to add depth to your story and characters so it just all seems pointless. I personally don't really see it as pointless. Much rather that there are some unclear elements to the story that will get explained more in-depth in the next installment. As for the Sol AU MAP, it was supposed to be a Dark Christmas Tale. A lot of those tend to have unhappy/hopeless endings. That doesn't really make them pointless either, in my opinion.
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