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Post by wilh3rdwheel on Aug 3, 2022 13:28:27 GMT -5
I'm mostly talking about the TNP one, why would they have to travel so far just to know "yeah you have to be kind to each other and find a new home", what if they had arrived too late? Or the fire and the tiger, it was useless to the core, they would have left together anyway no need to push. Then Starclan sends a prophecy while one of the three is not even born yet, of course they would get it wrong. Then they just send it to the one who doesn't know about the prophecy while Jayfeather would have understood it better.
I feel like the first one was useful, it actually mattered when it came to Bluestar's decision about Rusty, but the second one was for me the worst, why would they have to travel that far when they could just have some sense by themselves, I know they needed an excuse to make more books but... it's pushed really far. When Leafpool get the prophecy about Brambleclaw and Hawkfrost it's once again useless, it's just a "oh yeah that will happen good luck" thing. Why would they say it? At the beginning of Omen of the Stars they even say the living cats should live their life by themselves. And two minutes later they send the prophecy to Dovewing...
I don't know it's just me ranting I guess, I just wanted to know what other people think about them. Maybe I just don't get the whole thing about them but TNP's prophecy is a no for me.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 3, 2022 13:39:02 GMT -5
idk why the TNP one had to be a prophecy...they were actively in DANGER at that time. starclan literally couldnt just tell each of the clans leaders or medicine cats in dreams "hey u're gonna die if u dont unite and move to another place?"
and then the leaders of each clan could receive dreams and omens every night to lead them to the lake? did they even NEED midnight the badger in this instance?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 14:52:44 GMT -5
I remember when I was reading TNP the lake will turn red prophecy I probably saw like 5 times. Though originally it was supposed o be three books
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 14:53:04 GMT -5
"a bit weird" is putting it mildly lmao
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 3, 2022 15:37:56 GMT -5
I never understood the need for the TNP prophecy either. All it did was make the clans think that the six cats had abandoned them for awhile.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 15:42:36 GMT -5
I never understood the need for the TNP prophecy either. All it did was make the clans think that the six cats had abandoned them for awhile. The "need" was to fill two extra books in a story that could have easily been told in four /j
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Aug 3, 2022 21:43:28 GMT -5
Why does StarClan communicate in that way, anyway? I'm forgetting. Like they're definitely capable of being more straightforward when there's imminent danger.
Is it that they just want the Clans to figure things out on their own and not let StarClan dictate their decisions?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 21:47:47 GMT -5
Speaking of I’m pretty sure Firestar though Skywatcher didn’t even know the meaning of the “kin of your kin” prophecy and was just a messenger?
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Post by wilh3rdwheel on Aug 4, 2022 6:33:36 GMT -5
At that point they should stop sending prophecies lol
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Post by wilh3rdwheel on Aug 4, 2022 6:37:30 GMT -5
Why does StarClan communicate in that way, anyway? I'm forgetting. Like they're definitely capable of being more straightforward when there's imminent danger. Is it that they just want the Clans to figure things out on their own and not let StarClan dictate their decisions? To me it just shows how pointless StarClan is in the end, because if the clans had to figure things out on their own then StarClan wouldn't have to say anything, but they still send prophecies even when the answer to the problem is obvious.
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Post by shatteredstorm on Aug 4, 2022 6:43:07 GMT -5
I like the prophecies, they make for good drama.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 4, 2022 8:49:55 GMT -5
Why does StarClan communicate in that way, anyway? I'm forgetting. Like they're definitely capable of being more straightforward when there's imminent danger. Is it that they just want the Clans to figure things out on their own and not let StarClan dictate their decisions? I mean in the beginning its suggested they have a hard time communicating in a straightforward manner because of the veil between the living and dead. That’s why the first few arcs (esp TPB) deal with omens and prophecies so often, its the only way StarClan can communicate with living cats (for the most part). That separation sorta disappears from PO3 onward.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Aug 4, 2022 17:32:02 GMT -5
Why does StarClan communicate in that way, anyway? I'm forgetting. Like they're definitely capable of being more straightforward when there's imminent danger. Is it that they just want the Clans to figure things out on their own and not let StarClan dictate their decisions? I mean in the beginning its suggested they have a hard time communicating in a straightforward manner because of the veil between the living and dead. That’s why the first few arcs (esp TPB) deal with omens and prophecies so often, its the only way StarClan can communicate with living cats (for the most part). That separation sorta disappears from PO3 onward. Oh, thank you! I think I definitely would've preferred it if StarClan was kept as some sort of mysterious omnipotent group which couldn't communicate directly because of that veil StarClan feels rather normal and not as mystical as it did before
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 17:38:05 GMT -5
I like the prophecies, they make for good drama. Finally somebody that doesn’t dislike prophecies! They also give hints of what’s too come for future books so that’s a bonus
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Post by Alexisawe on Aug 4, 2022 19:12:47 GMT -5
I feel like prophecies should only be given if the prophecy directly leads to the prophecy being completed, like the very first prophecy, "Fire alone will save our Clan." Otherwise, prophecies that aren't self-fulfilling could just be in the prologue, with StarClan cats being the POV during the said prologue. (Of course, the StarClan cats would have to be vague enough that we, the readers, still wouldn't quite know the full meaning, while implying that the StarClan cats know what it means.) It would still have intrigue for the readers while actually making sense in terms of the story and plot. Then again, in one of the books, I believe it says that even the StarClan cats are unsure as to where the prophecies come from and what they mean, so I suppose it would make sense for StarClan to give the living cats prophecies that they themselves don't know the answer to in the hopes that the living cats would be able to figure it out.
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